Batman Begins Re-watching Batman Begins

[Two-Face]

Actually, the line is "Bats frighten me. It's time my enemies shared my dread"

If the actual line was the way you remember it, then yeah, it would have sucked. I mean, you can have your own opinion, but if a line like that makes you cringe you've obviously never seen any of the Schumacher films.

"Why bats Master Wayne?"

man I love that.

 

[El Payaso]

The scene itself is good. The problem with that piece of dialogue is that all that you have been watching for 1 hour is he's afraid of bats and he's using his fear as a weapon. Usually writers include dialogues that expand the information of a movie, not just verbalize what you have been watching, specially if it's THE main point of that hour of movie.

 

[Two-Face]

And that's the problem?

 

[El Payaso]

Yeah, bad writing. Destroyed a scene with two awesome actors.

 

[Two-Face]

How would you write that then? just wondered that's all.

 

[MiniBond]

I watched Batman Begins for the hundred time a few days ago and ....MAN that movie goes fast !

 

[Damiean Dark]

I just cant get through the entire movie again it is good but is not enjoyable bruces reasons for turning into batman doesnt work he should have become batman the moment his parents died that was the trigger that turned on the psycological obsession you dont see that in this movie young bruce cries a lot tries to kill chill confronts falcone then runs away i didnt like the way they did it, the acting isnt as good as some people think it is the cast does its best but from such great actors i was left wanting more, the editing stinks, the villains are hopelessly uninteresting except murphy as scarecrow who a least tries to inject some energy into Crane, the tumbler sucks it has its initial cool factor but i just wanted to see a real Batmobile, Cain as alfred just doesnt work for me he is solid in the role but at no moment did i think ths guy is the alfred pennyworth we all know and love. You may all think i hate this movie, i dont it is solid has a good premise and plot but its missing far to many bad points to make it great in my eyes. All this said i have optimistic hopes for TDK.

 

[contemporarydog]

I just cant get through the entire movie again it is good but is not enjoyable bruces reasons for turning into batman doesnt work he should have become batman the moment his parents died that was the trigger that turned on the psycological obsession you dont see that in this movie young bruce cries a lot tries to kill chill confronts falcone then runs away i didnt like the way they did it, the acting isnt as good as some people think it is the cast does its best but from such great actors i was left wanting more, the editing stinks, the villains are hopelessly uninteresting except murphy as scarecrow who a least tries to inject some energy into Crane, the tumbler sucks it has its initial cool factor but i just wanted to see a real Batmobile, Cain as alfred just doesnt work for me he is solid in the role but at no moment did i think ths guy is the alfred pennyworth we all know and love. You may all think i hate this movie, i dont it is solid has a good premise and plot but its missing far to many bad points to make it great in my eyes. All this said i have optimistic hopes for TDK.

Not as badly as the editing of your paragraph t:

 

[Darkfly]

I watched it again for the 4th time and frankly this time I thought it wasn't as good than I originally thought don't get me wrong still a great film but I just find it doesn't have too much depth like Burton's films did.

Batman Begins is supposed to be about the beginning of Batman the origins if you will but it focuses more time on how he spray painted a aromoured suit, used a armoured protype vehicle, carves Batarang's, goes rock climbing in the Batcave, orders Bat-hoods, plays around in the Underground Wayne Enterprise gadget area, driving a Lamborghini to a company meal, and presumably gets laid with two Eurpoean models none of these being terribly important to Batman's origins. The Villians aren't given enough screentime to develop into truly great villians, I mean I love Cillian Murphy's portrayal as The Scarecrow but they don't give him enough time onscreen, & would have been nice to see a little more about Ra's al Ghul since there is so much more they could of done with that character.



Batman Begins is a damn entertaining film but for me doesn't provide much depth for a film which is supposed to be about Batman's origins. I think Batman Begins mistake was that it took idea's from Batman Year One, Batman Long Halloween, & Batman The Man Who Falls but never took enough of the idea's, I mean Batman Year One after reading it again has very few similarities to Batman Begins apart from the fact both deal with him starting out as Batman but that's where the similarities end. They should of either based the film completely on a comic like Batman Year One or should of done what other Batman films(only the good ones) have done which was keep the atmosphere of the Batman Comics but make up the story not try and take a little from that comic and little from that one.

 

[sasquatchs]

Exactly, lack of depth is the key thing really. Also not being able to commit to either a crowd pleaser or a something more serious, they tried to have it both ways and it spoils the effort. Putting Batman in a modern city where he's the only thing extraordinary is a fine idea, Nolan just handed it off to a writer with a complete lack of ideas or commitment to something consistent and unique. The journey is so simplistic and A to B to C, they should have trusted the audience to fill in the gaps and extended the scope of his journey. They try to spell it all out for the audience and that's resulted in characters that plainly lecture Bruce on everything he needs to learn, rather than Bruce and the audience figuring it out together. He's directionless for too long, he should have searched out the answers for himself rather than serendipitously finding one man to give him everything. The effect is that Bruce had very little part in becoming Batman. He's hardworking but just follows everyone elses advice. They could have been so much more imaginative about how Bruce learns his lessons than a series of lectures.

I watched most of it again yesterday, nothing seems to naturally evolve in this film, there's no real character development. What little there is to be had in the first half just stops dead once Bruce is back to Gotham. Where on earth does the 5 minute romance come from at the end? And what happened between Rachel's thankless lecture on justice before Bruce leaves, and his gratitude to her at the end of the film? Where was the lesson actually learnt? Far too much comes across purely through dialogue with nothing to back it up. TDK needs way more ideas and way more efficiency in showing them

 

[redfirebird2008]

Actually, the line is "Bats frighten me. It's time my enemies shared my dread"

If the actual line was the way you remember it, then yeah, it would have sucked. I mean, you can have your own opinion, but if a line like that makes you cringe you've obviously never seen any of the Schumacher films.

Or some of the one-liners in Batman '89 and Batman Returns, or the lame dialogue in all 3 Spider-Man films. Batman Begins' dialogue is certainly its biggest flaw, but overall I'll take the great elements over the poor dialogue all day long. The fact of the matter is, as long as you have people like Goyer writing comic book films, the dialogue will suck.

 

[Damiean Dark]

Its to easy to say its all Goyers fault if it was really that bad shouldnt have Nolan cut those bits out i thought he was the director the one with the final say on everything? the buck stops with Nolan i place the blame squarely at his feet.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Its to easy to say its all Goyers fault if it was really that bad shouldnt have Nolan cut those bits out i thought he was the director the one with the final say on everything? the buck stops with Nolan i place the blame squarely at his feet.

OK, then, I guess I can blame Burton for letting Batman '89 turn into The Joker '89.

 

[Mr. Socko]

OK, then, I guess I can blame Burton for letting Batman '89 turn into The Joker '89.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what your kind has been doing for the past 18 years.

 

[Damiean Dark]

OK, then, I guess I can blame Burton for letting Batman '89 turn into The Joker '89.

"SIGH" Burton MADE B89 that way he DELIBERITLY made Bats a shadowy force of the night and it worked perfectly for me in BR you can see Burton gives Bruce/Batman more time in front of the camera and far more lines. Nolan made a MISTAKE to allow Goyers pretentious babble of lines. anyway how much of the script was goyers work? people like to crap on him for the worst lines in the movie while giving Nolan a free pass i wouldnt be surprised if Nolan wrote a few of those lines too