Re-Writing the Star Wars Prequels....

to this very day, I can't stand Episode 1 and while I can see the apeal of it from a fan's point of view, as a movie it was just lame.

I would start with the plot structure of Attack of the Clones and make that Episode 1. Add some flashbacks in there and perhaps cut out any fat if need be.

Make Episode 2 take place in the clone wars, so you know WHY Anakin is so good.

Then in part 3, well, Episode 3 was decent already so keep it the way it is. And tone down the CGI in the final Anakin/Obi Won fight. Awful.
 
What they really should've done is show Anakin's recrutation in a prologue or something and keep Qui Gon alive till the Clone Wars - then he can die.

In Episode I they could show us a battle between Darth Maul and Anakin and a battle between Qui Gon/Obi One and Count Dooku.

Episode II - Anakin and Obi fight Grevious and Dooku

Episode III - leave it.
 
I really think that the prequels were missing those awesome character moments that the originals had.

Like when Yoda lifted the X-Wing from the swamp when Luke gave up, in 'Empire'. That, my friends, were just ..movie magic.
 
I really think that the prequels were missing those awesome character moments that the originals had.

Like when Yoda lifted the X-Wing from the swamp when Luke gave up, in 'Empire'. That, my friends, were just ..movie magic.

Yeah, there were so many moments in the OT that the PT just didn't have. Hence the reason why the prequels will never become truly classic, just pretenders for the SW crown.
 
Well, we do have those awesome character moments, except quite the opposite of famous, they're imfamous. "Unlimited Powah!" and "NOooOOoo" anyone?
 
Prequels

The characters that worked:
-R2D2
-C3PO
-Qui Gon Jin
-Obi One Kenobi (Especially in Episode III)
-Palpatin
-Mace Windu
-Yoda
-Not a lot of screenplay but Fisto
-Jango

And one thing that was spot on for me was the evolution of the clones, I was quite young when Episode II came out and I didn't realize that the Clones will become Star Troopers and when in Episode III you got all those different clones that started to look like Troopers I was like "Damn, I love how they did". The whole costume evolution was great.

The worst things in the new trilogy were: the characters weren't as well written as the ones in the OT.

And Anakin - Hayden was the worst choice ever, ruined Anakin completely.

I don't think it was really Hayden that ruined the character as much as the script. They really needed to show Anakin as a kind of rebellious and reckless jedi. Also his turn to the dark side should be been slower, in the movies it's just a light switch, one second he's ratting Palpatine out, the next he's siding with him. All on a vague promise to teach Anakin the way to save someone who might die? I think episode one should have combined episodes 1 and 2, Episode 2 should have been the clone war, ending with Anakin's turn to the dark side. Episode 3 should have been an ultimate bad guy movie, with the fall of the Republic and rise of the empire, Vader hunting down Jedis. Keep the final fight between Vader and Obi-Wan, but have it more personal, more brutal, add some physical violence like punches and kicks in there with the saber stuff. The fight we got was horrible because it didn't seem to have any emotion, it was just a video game with all the effects around.
 
Episode I

1) Make Anikin older: If he's gonna fall in love with Padme, at least make him in his early teens. That twit was so young he wouldn't know what to do with a woman if he got one!

2) Get rid of Qui-Gon: In the OT Obi-Wan said that he took it upon himself to train Anikin as a jedi, so that's what they should've written. Not the he trained Anikin as a jedi because he promised his dying master that he would.

3) More Darth Maul: Give Darth Maul more to do. Have him torture information out of Jawas while hunting for Queen Amadala and the jedi or something.

4) Less CGI, More Practical Effects: Make the battle droids armour plated protocol droids with blasters attached to their forams (people in costumes). Or use anamatronics/puppets. Build actual sets rather than just putting people in front of a damn green screen. In short, don't make it look like a giant goddamned video game.

5) No Jar-Jar: 'Nuff said!

Episode II

1) Find a better actor to play Anikin: 'Nuff said!

2) Keep Padme as Queen of Naboo: It's not the prom, you don't vote for who's gonna be queen.

3) Use actual people in clone armour: Not one clone in Episode II or III was actually there. They were all CGI. As a result, all three movies looked like goddamn video games. Only CGI used should be for when the clones aren't wearing their helmets.

4) Make the Geonotians and the clone making aliens more human like: So that they can be done with actors in prosthetic make up rather than being all CGI characters. Also, did anyone notice that one of the jedi in the counsil in Episode I was of the race of cloners, but in Episode II nobody in the Jedi Council had ever heard of that race's home planet?

Episode III

1) Let it take longer for Anikin to turn to the Dark Side.

2) Less CGI, more practical effects.

3) When Anikin leads the assault on the Jedi Temple, we should see him dueling with some of the jedi masters and padawans (that scene was actually shot, but cut from the theatrical release).

4) In the novelization of Episode III, Anikin kills the jedi master in charge of the temple archives. He demands her to step aside so he can send a signal to the other jedi instructing them to return to the temple and she refuses. He cuts her down with his lightsaber without ever letting her draw her weapon. This scene should also have been shot and added to the movie.

5) I actually liked the duels between Anikin and Obi-Wan as well as Yoda and Darth Sidius. I just wish they used more practical effects and built actual sets for the actors/stunt people to fight on.

5)
 
There were actually a lot more practical sets and minatures than you think in the prequels, they just composite them into the CGI so it all looks uniform.

Mustafar lavabeds-a model. So was Utuapu and Kashyyyk. A lot of the Coruscant buildings were models too, like Dex's Diner and the Industrial district when they are chasing Zam Wesell. The battle arena at the end of AOTC was a model too. I'm not saying there wasn't a lot of CGI too, but they did the effects with more than just CGI.

My only real beef with the prequels was the editing on AOTC was poor, and Hayden and Natalie didn't hold up their end of the acting as well as the British actors did, especially Hayden. Lucas got insanely lucky with Mark Hamill, imo. If his performance in ANH was as lacking as Hayden's often was, we wouldn't be talking about any of this. Having a convincing lead hero is a lot of what sold ANH.
 
It wasn't just on Hayden and Natalie. A lot their dialogue should have been changed altogether. Look at that whole "Love has blinded you" line in RotS. There's no way that should made it past editing.
 
It wasn't just on Hayden and Natalie. A lot their dialogue should have been changed altogether. Look at that whole "Love has blinded you" line in RotS. There's no way that should made it past editing.

That scene is simply painful. The acting's bad too, BUT how can anyone take their performance seriously with lines so bad?
 
I think what happened is Lucas realized he didn't have enough time to develope their relationship so he just had them say they love each other over and over again in the most awkward ways possible. Reminds m of how Sandman just announces his character in SM3.
 
I think what happened is Lucas realized he didn't have enough time to develope their relationship so he just had them say they love each other over and over again in the most awkward ways possible. Reminds m of how Sandman just announces his character in SM3.

Yeh. Anakin wasn't a bad guy, he just had bad luck. :awesome:
 
Considering that he had force dreams about his wifes death that only happened because he had those force dreams in the first place, I'd actually say that was true. :oldrazz:
 
Plot wise I thought the prequels were fine

It was just Jar Jar and corny dialogue that made them worse for me, but I still thought I & III were good

Really? They were more about pointless political strife than anikin's journey to the darkside.
 
I don't think it was really Hayden that ruined the character as much as the script. They really needed to show Anakin as a kind of rebellious and reckless jedi. Also his turn to the dark side should be been slower, in the movies it's just a light switch, one second he's ratting Palpatine out, the next he's siding with him. All on a vague promise to teach Anakin the way to save someone who might die? I think episode one should have combined episodes 1 and 2, Episode 2 should have been the clone war, ending with Anakin's turn to the dark side. Episode 3 should have been an ultimate bad guy movie, with the fall of the Republic and rise of the empire, Vader hunting down Jedis. Keep the final fight between Vader and Obi-Wan, but have it more personal, more brutal, add some physical violence like punches and kicks in there with the saber stuff. The fight we got was horrible because it didn't seem to have any emotion, it was just a video game with all the effects around.

I really did not understand his quick turn from "good to bad". Sure I guess it was established that he had a temper and that he was rather weak willed (Palpatine convincing Anakin in less than 10 seconds to chop off Duku's head) but evil.. he was not.. then all of a sudden he attacking Jedi and slaughtering children.. based on a dream and a vauge(flimsy) notion that the dark side MIGHT help.

I know G.L wanted us to see Anikans fall to evil (dark side) but all I saw was an easily fooled, weak willed child who didnt know what he was doing.

Movies 1-3 were all pretty bad for me, relying more on Special effects and having really weak plots, dialog and characters.
 
I really did not understand his quick turn from "good to bad". Sure I guess it was established that he had a temper and that he was rather weak willed (Palpatine convincing Anakin in less than 10 seconds to chop off Duku's head) but evil.. he was not.. then all of a sudden he attacking Jedi and slaughtering children.. based on a dream and a vauge(flimsy) notion that the dark side MIGHT help.

I know G.L wanted us to see Anikans fall to evil (dark side) but all I saw was an easily fooled, weak willed child who didnt know what he was doing.

Movies 1-3 were all pretty bad for me, relying more on Special effects and having really weak plots, dialog and characters.

I think that's down to him being weak. He did one bad thing and let it snowball because he was so ashamed of his actions. 'What have I done?' After what happened with Mace he could've still turned back, but instead of facing the consequences of his actions and admitting to the wrongs that he'd done, he found it easier to give himself over to someone else's bidding so as not take responsibility for his actions. Kind of an all or nothing mentality. I've done one bad thing so I may as well be bad through and through. He was weak and a coward. He knew what he was doing, and he knew that he was wrong. He just didn't have the strength to stop it.
 
I know G.L wanted us to see Anikans fall to evil (dark side) but all I saw was an easily fooled, weak willed child who didnt know what he was doing.

Movies 1-3 were all pretty bad for me, relying more on Special effects and having really weak plots, dialog and characters.

Yup ^

I wrote a bunch of notes a couple months back on how to improve the episodes, but I'll share the short version:

Ep1 shouldn't be about the trade federation, it should be focussed on anakin's training once he's freed. About him actually BECOMING a jedi, not just being rescued in one episode and then being a jedi in the next one. Give us ESB / BB like training scenes, and show us the journey of the path he's chosen.

Ep2 should completely be about his descent to darkness. Basically, the godfather in space. Maybe his training is disallowed by the council and Sideous offers to resume it, maybe something else, I don't care. But he should have a real reason to switch sides.

Ep3 should be about Anakin acting as a (human, not mechanical) Sith Lord, and the extinction of the Jedi. And not by being shot in the back by some damn clones.

Infact, the whole clone war thing should be cut. The conflict of the clone wars isn't important, it's the role that these people play in them. And the Jedi shouldn't be this global police force. 20 years after these movies an Solo and others see the Force as a "hokey religion" and ancient ways. They should be more of a secret society imo.

Just some thoughts.
 
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I really did not understand his quick turn from "good to bad". Sure I guess it was established that he had a temper and that he was rather weak willed (Palpatine convincing Anakin in less than 10 seconds to chop off Duku's head) but evil.. he was not..

I don't know man. Between his preference to authoritarian rule, *****ing at Obiwan, and killing an entire tribe of sand peope including the women and children, I kind of got that he was always evil but just didn't know it yet.
 
For ep1, I would have had Anakin as a 15 year old, establish the fact that Obi wan wanted to train Anakin because he saw the potential withim him, introduce Amidala as Senator instead of Queen, Qui Gon will still have the same kind of role that he did in ep1, introduce Count Dooku and his leaving of the Jedi Order (should take place after the battle of Naboo and Qui Gon's death), Sidious should be more of a background character cause to me, I knew from the first scene with him in ep1, that was really Palpatine. I think his character, his presence should have been more of a mystery and a secret thus having Darth Maul being in charge throughout the movie. Introduce Jango Fett. Near the end, establish that a war is brewing (clone wars)...

As far as ep2 is concerned, cut the 10 year gap to about 2 and half to 3 and a half years making Anakin about 17 and a half or 18 and a half. Our heros are now caught in the mist of the Great Clone Wars. Anakin falls in love with Amidala...Obi wan becomes the brother/father figure Anakin never had, Anakin goes back to Tatoonie to find his mother, etc... near the end, our heros find themselves in life and death situations...

Ep3 will take place 3-4 years after ep2 and one thing I would change is the reason Amidala dies and why Anakin turns to the darkside. I'd would have preferred if Palpatine sent Anakin on a mission where he uncovers this raw energy of dark side power and only then he finds himself consumed with the power - the power to not only find a way to save his wife but to stop the war, and Amidala finds him and tries to stop him and then Obi wan comes in and Anakin and Obi fight...

Oh and one more thing for ep1, I would probably have Anakin join the Republic military and maybe introduce Tarkin or Captain Needa or some high ranking officer lols.

I've been trying to do my own re-write but I haven't had the time to finish it all. I also had ideas that Anakin did have a father and that he left him and his mother. I always thought of him as a mercenary who didn't know he had a power (the force) within himself but it makes sense cause of his luck and survival when he's out there in the galaxy performing all kinds of dangerous tasks and missions to keep the galaxy safe for Anakin who might someday grow into his own and become like his father. Though, Anakin's father never wanted to become a Jedi Knight but in my own story, he does bump into Yoda whom he befriends and Yoda recognizes the potential within and teaches the basics to him or something like that. At some point, Anakin's father disappears...and not sure why yet.

Anyway, I think it would add more emotion if Anakin discovered what happened to his father and his anger about the truth and secrets the Jedi kept from Anakin concerning the whereabouts of his father would only push him further down the path of the dark side.

So yeah...thats my idea.

I think if George had taken enough time to write a really good story, his ideas and development would have been as close to mine...cause in all, what I have been trying to do is connect ideas and scenes to that of the original trilogy, to make sense of what might have happened during the dark times, before the clone wars and how every character connects with each other, how they interact, how they came into each other's lives. Quotes from the OT I find are pretty helpful too cause then you know exactly what and who you are writing about.

Like I said, I started this idea a long time ago ( I think last year) but all I know is that I didn't get very far. Though I had help and advice from fellow fan writers but again, I dunno if I'll continue this SW writing thing cause I know I'll never finish it. lol.
 
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You can't cut out the clone wars, they even talk about them during ANH so it's important to see them.
 
As long as we're playing "What if"

Ep 1

Make Anakin older. Heck, start him at Luke's age for contrast. You can leave the racing, etc. in as that's relatable. Also get the Padme/Anakin romance started earlier, emphasize the Anakin/Obi Wan friendship, and start to show that Anakin doesn't have his emotions under control.

I think it also would have worked better leading into the Clone Wars.

Ep 2

This really should have been about the Clone Wars. Really emphasize the Anakin/Padme romance and the strain it's putting on Anakin. And the rift growing between Anakin and the Jedis, with Obi Wan being his friend and trying to keep him on the right path.

Ep 3

Other than the acting and dialogue, there's not much wrong with the basic plot. But I agree, that we don't need to see the birth of Vader that much.
 
You can't cut out the clone wars, they even talk about them during ANH so it's important to see them.

What? I never mentioned anything about cutting the clone war aspect out of it. lol. I was talking more about the character development and story part between Anakin and Obi wan and as well as Anakin's relation to the people he came into contact in his life time before he became Darth Vader. The OT talks about that a lot through what Obi wan has told Luke but again, only from a certain point of view.


Evil Twin said:
As long as we're playing "What if"

Ep 1

Make Anakin older. Heck, start him at Luke's age for contrast. You can leave the racing, etc. in as that's relatable. Also get the Padme/Anakin romance started earlier, emphasize the Anakin/Obi Wan friendship, and start to show that Anakin doesn't have his emotions under control.

I think it also would have worked better leading into the Clone Wars.

Ep 2

This really should have been about the Clone Wars. Really emphasize the Anakin/Padme romance and the strain it's putting on Anakin. And the rift growing between Anakin and the Jedis, with Obi Wan being his friend and trying to keep him on the right path.

Ep 3

Other than the acting and dialogue, there's not much wrong with the basic plot. But I agree, that we don't need to see the birth of Vader that much.

I agree that by the end of episode 1 should have led directly into the Clone Wars.
 
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All of this is more along the lines of fan fiction and not ideas for improving the movies more or less as they were. Warts and all I still pretty much would rather have the story as the creator of the series envisioned it than some fan fic ideas. Not that the movies are perfect, but at least they were done by the series creator.
 
True, but if there was one or a few things that needed improving and more time on, it would have to be the writing, planning and development of each episode.
 
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You know what I wanted in the prequels?

I wanted the Anakin Skywalker that Obi-Wan Kenobi described to Luke Skywalker. The greatest pilot in the galaxy. This powerful rising Jedi who became stronger than almost everyone else. The person who was SEDUCED by the dark side of the force. The character we were supposed to love and root for, so when he eventually becomes seduced by the dark side and turns against the Jedi, the change has such a huge dramatic feel to it that the audience thinks "Oh my God" and becomes mezmorized by what is occuring on the screen.

We didn't even get half of that. :down
 

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