Re-Writing the Star Wars Prequels....

[Jordacar]

Lucas said before he even made the original in 1977 that the prequels wouldn't be as commercially appealing due to the complexity of the story and it's content. Fanfiction stuff is fun, but it is just that-fanfiction. Lucas version is the real story from the series creator.

There's a story? Could've fooled me...

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I hope you can find that scene, because I'd like to read it.

Interesting enough, I do have it still. I wrote another scene between Obi wan and Yoda where they talk about what to do with Skywalker. Obi wan insists that he trains him, not only because of Qui Gon's word but because he thought he could be as good as a teacher than Master Yoda. Also, he has taken a liking to Anakin and as a friend, he'd be more than willing to look after him. Much to Yoda's dismay, the little green Jedi Master agrees but warns Obi wan of how clouded the boy's future is. If all else fails in the training of Skywalker, Obi wan tells Yoda he would take full responsibility of his actions and pride if anything were to happen.

This is all taken from Obi Wan's words when he appears as a force ghost in ROTJ on Dagobah and reveals the truth behind Anakin's downfall and what led him to became Darth Vader.

I don't think I have that file anymore. Sadly, but it was nice doing a bit of writing practice though and try to get a sense of Obi wan's POV (point of view) and how every event that took place in his life had changed him to the man we first met in A New Hope whom we've come to know as Ben Kenobi.

I love getting deep into character. When I write, I go into as much detail as I possible can. It takes time but patience is well worth the process. Like Yoda would say, patience for a Jedi it is time to eat as well. lols.

haha

 

[Kurosawa]

There's a story? Could've fooled me...

 

[SchumacherFan]

Robert Pattinson as Anakin Skywalker ? ? ? ? ? ?

Would make the insecure jealous comic geeks angry, but the kid has acting ability and seems to have dark side to him that could make a good Anakin.

 

[8wid]

Why does Qui-Gon even need to be in the prequels? Last time I checked, Yoda was the one who instructed Kenobi. Why does Luke have a feeling of being on Degobah before? Why does Obi-Wan not tell Luke about his mother as he does Anakin? That's one example of many continuity issues that Lucas failed to connect when doing the prequels.

 

[Sloth7d]

The Forbidden Love, eh? I would still hate that movie but at least the title makes sense now.

 

[SchumacherFan]

The Forbidden Love, eh? I would still hate that movie but at least the title makes sense now.

If wrote a treatment, it probably would suck in most people's eyes because I'm not a professional writer, but could it really be any worse than Attack of the Clones ? ?

My vision of the film is a real forbidden love, like with actual scenes where the Jedi tell Anakin 'NO, YOU CANT DO THAT'.

In attack of the clones, it seems anakin was just relaying the rules of the jedi code. He could have broke them because there were no scenes where actual jedi like Obi Wan were telling him 'You can NOT do that'. I mean, if you're going to make Anakin a whiny teenager, why not construct the Jedi order as 'parent' like.

In my story, Anakin goes behind the Jedi back, sneaks in her apartment, etc..

Robert Pattinson or James Franco are my choices for Anakin. I didn't have a problem with Hayden, but everyone hated him so much, I would honestly switch it to Franco or the Harry Potter / Twilight kid.

 

[SchumacherFan]

Why does Qui-Gon even need to be in the prequels? Last time I checked, Yoda was the one who instructed Kenobi. Why does Luke have a feeling of being on Degobah before? Why does Obi-Wan not tell Luke about his mother as he does Anakin? That's one example of many continuity issues that Lucas failed to connect when doing the prequels.

Totally agree. I am a huge fan of Liam Neeson (Taken, Batman Begins, Kingdom of Heaven anyone? He's talented actor) but to make him steal all of Obi Wan's scenes and made him the main character was not a good idea.

Obi Wan should have been on Tatooine and discovered Anakin. My idea would have been keep Qui Gon Jinn, but as a secondary role. Have him be Yoda's top student who now runs the Jedi Council. Have Yoda not even on screen. He's studying abroad in different systems, hes not even on Coruscant, imo. He should have been a myth, not even sure if he exists in the first one. Only a few characters actually met him in real life.

The sad part of the Prequels is every other department except George Lucas did an amazing job. The CGI was okay (too much, but thats Lucas fault), the casting director did well except anakin which was once again prolly Lucas' decision. The art department did an amazing job. The actors such as Liam, Natalie, Samuel Jackson, Ewan did the best with the material they had to work with.. Just the story / Characters sucked and the directing was bad. Lucas was rusty as a film maker.

 

[8wid]

I have one way to prevent the continuity error for the lame renaming Kenobi gave himself while on Tatooine. "Obi-Wan" is just a nickname meaning something special, while Ben is his real name. Perhaps it's a heroic title from combat.

 

[Kurosawa]

Robert Pattinson as Anakin Skywalker ? ? ? ? ? ?

Would make the insecure jealous comic geeks angry, but the kid has acting ability and seems to have dark side to him that could make a good Anakin.

Replace emo with even more emo and at least Hayden had something of a physical presence? Downgrade. Wretched title too, even worse than Attack of the Clones which at least has a movie serial feel.

Unlike Avatar/Cameron fans I maintain some degree of realism towards Lucas, even though I am one of the few Lucas/Prequel defenders around. He needed an extraordinary actor to deal with the copious amounts of cheese that came from Anakin and Hayden wasn't up to it. I don't know what young actor could have done better with what they were given to be honest, but it's Lucas story and I would rather see it as he intended it to be.

I have one way to prevent the continuity error for the lame renaming Kenobi gave himself while on Tatooine. "Obi-Wan" is just a nickname meaning something special, while Ben is his real name. Perhaps it's a heroic title from combat.

I don't see how it is a continuity error, more like an unanswered question. As a Jedi he went by Obi-Wan, on Tatooine he went by Ben. Why has never been exactly stated.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Based on the OT here are the basics:
Leia knew her mother
Luke did not know either of his parents
The Clone Wars were very well known
There was a period of utter darkness between the Republic and the Empire
Obi-Wan was around the same age as Luke when he began his training
Obi-Wan trained Anakin
Obi-Wan and Anakin were very close (notice how Vader doesn't even mention Padme yet he mentions Obi-Wan constantly)
Yoda trained Obi-Wan
Anakin turned due to a lust for power
Owen seems jealous of Anakin

 

[Sloth7d]

If wrote a treatment, it probably would suck in most people's eyes because I'm not a professional writer, but could it really be any worse than Attack of the Clones ? ?

My vision of the film is a real forbidden love, like with actual scenes where the Jedi tell Anakin 'NO, YOU CANT DO THAT'.

In attack of the clones, it seems anakin was just relaying the rules of the jedi code. He could have broke them because there were no scenes where actual jedi like Obi Wan were telling him 'You can NOT do that'. I mean, if you're going to make Anakin a whiny teenager, why not construct the Jedi order as 'parent' like.

In my story, Anakin goes behind the Jedi back, sneaks in her apartment, etc..

Robert Pattinson or James Franco are my choices for Anakin. I didn't have a problem with Hayden, but everyone hated him so much, I would honestly switch it to Franco or the Harry Potter / Twilight kid.

Oh no. I thought you were just renaming the movie, after all "Attack of the Clones" doesn't really make sense when there's barely any footage of clones attacking nor are they attacking the good guys. Didn't know you had an idea behind it. I'm not sure about the casting though other than the fact that either would be better than Hayden. Don't get me wrong, I like them both as actors, but unless they could convince Lucas to tweak the dialogue into something less wooden and whiny, then they really have nothing to work with.

 

[Warhammer]

Based on the OT here are the basics:
Leia knew her mother
Luke did not know either of his parents
The Clone Wars were very well known
There was a period of utter darkness between the Republic and the Empire
Obi-Wan was around the same age as Luke when he began his training
Obi-Wan trained Anakin
Obi-Wan and Anakin were very close (notice how Vader doesn't even mention Padme yet he mentions Obi-Wan constantly)
Yoda trained Obi-Wan
Anakin turned due to a lust for power
Owen seems jealous of Anakin

I don't care what excuse anyone (including Lucas) has, how did the prequels NOT pay attention to these two?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I mean they kinda tried in the last little bit of ROTS when Anakin says he turned for his new powers to save padme and also how Yoda gives Obi-Wan the training for Tatooine. But it was pretty damn forced.

 

[SchumacherFan]

I mean they kinda tried in the last little bit of ROTS when Anakin says he turned for his new powers to save padme and also how Yoda gives Obi-Wan the training for Tatooine. But it was pretty damn forced.

Forced and Rushed, imo....

I don't know about you guys but the Prequels are depressing movies because of what they could have been.

Star Wars OT are on the same level as Gone with the Wind, Casablanca, LOTR trilogy, Citizen Kane - real classic stories about basic human emotions and great story.

Star Wars Prequel are on par with Transformers, GI Joe, Terminator Salvation, etc.... Just a bunch of CGI shoved in a movie to try to make up for the lack of story , characters, cheesy plot, etc. I mean, they are FUN movies, but fun in a sense that you don't go to see it for plot or character arc. You go strictly for the special effects and crazy action.

Prequels could have had a trageic tale of a hero falling to the dark side, an epic romantic story with two people that are not suppose to fall in love, the sense of adventure for the greater good, new fascinating characters, the tale of two brothers where they end up fighting each other in the ultimate battle of bad and good.

Gungans, Nate Gunray, Boss Nass, Jar Jar, Tall Kamino aliens whose names I forgot because they were so forgettable, and I don't know any new characters they even introduced in Episode 3 except for Grevious who was there for reasons I'll never understand. Bad characters with no arcs.

 

[8wid]

What kind of power would Vader seek though?

 

[I'm Old Greg]

Aside from getting a better Anakin, I would have had him be much older in TPM, being around his age from AOTC so that it helps to really show the council's hesitancy to train him due to already having a preset moral compass from living as a slave.

I would have liked for Qui-Gon and Anakin to then develop a big mentor-apprentice relationship that would help further scar Anakin when Qui-Gon is killed and set the groundwork for his recklessness in AOTC and his turn to the darkside in ROTS. That could have been a powerful moment with Anakin helpless as he watches his father-figure murdered by Maul.

I'm not sure if I would like to have seen Maul in AOTC or not. It may have been interesting to watch Anakin kill Maul out of anger midway through and then only witness the unending cycle as Dooku steps in to take his place.

I've always wished that the prequels could have been done better because they had plenty of material to make a masterful second trilogy. My ideas may be no good, but I know that there are plenty of better ones out there than what Lucas came up with.

dude this is exactly how i thought it should have went!

I thought we were going to see Anikan grow up like Simba in the lion king, and I thought an older Anikan was going to kill Maul when Qui Gon was killed.
STAR WARS is dead to me, its ghost is the unedited original trilogy

I said it before, and I'll say it again. Replace Jar Jar with Ron Perlman, who would play a dishonored Mandalorian that quickly becomes friends with Obi-wan and Anakin. He would be a variation on the Han Solo character, but has psychological scars about some war (think Canderous Ordo from KOTOR). Anakin could murder him in Episode 3 for dramatic effect.

Also, they should have never shown the birth of Vader, rather just have Anakin die and Vader appear. Episode 3 ruins the spoiler of Empire Strikes Back.

Lose the CGI for practical effects and the prequels would have been much better.

i thought the same thing, it kills the fact that he's lukes father. I thought they shouldn't have shown Vader either. end it as a tragedy like Anikan Died, and the birth of Vader was showing him in the original trilogy...

man Lucas ****ed up his prequels.

 

[Kurosawa]

Forced and Rushed, imo....

I don't know about you guys but the Prequels are depressing movies because of what they could have been.

Star Wars OT are on the same level as Gone with the Wind, Casablanca, LOTR trilogy, Citizen Kane - real classic stories about basic human emotions and great story.

Star Wars Prequel are on par with Transformers, GI Joe, Terminator Salvation, etc.... Just a bunch of CGI shoved in a movie to try to make up for the lack of story , characters, cheesy plot, etc. I mean, they are FUN movies, but fun in a sense that you don't go to see it for plot or character arc. You go strictly for the special effects and crazy action.

Prequels could have had a trageic tale of a hero falling to the dark side, an epic romantic story with two people that are not suppose to fall in love, the sense of adventure for the greater good, new fascinating characters, the tale of two brothers where they end up fighting each other in the ultimate battle of bad and good.

Gungans, Nate Gunray, Boss Nass, Jar Jar, Tall Kamino aliens whose names I forgot because they were so forgettable, and I don't know any new characters they even introduced in Episode 3 except for Grevious who was there for reasons I'll never understand. Bad characters with no arcs.

Blah, blah same 10 year old complaints and guess what? These are the same kinds of complaints the OT got for being a "bunch of muppets" and Lucas was "obsessed with special effects". I have been a SW fan since 1977 and I heard ALL those complaints about the originals and worse. Not to mention a lot of the same people who have been whining over the prequels for years are now slobbering all over Avatar. The prequels and ESPECIALLY ROTS are light years past those movies you mentioned and anyone who is even remotely objective knows it. I know they aren't perfect, and neither was the OT. I like both sagas about the same, but for different reasons. But as with many other things, I do realize I am in the minority and my tendencies to not mindlessly follow the standard internet opinion irritates people. Sorry, I have this bad habit of thinking for myself.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

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Lucas and company in the screening looks of utter FAIL

 

[Kurosawa]

LMAO

Lucas and company in the screening looks of utter FAIL

Wow crying over Jar-Jar...how 1999. GET OVER IT

The sad ironic thing is...although there was no internet I remember the same kinds of people tearing ESB APART in 1980 over the same kinds of crap.

 

[Sloth7d]

Did you actually watch the videos? The only way people could make the same kinds of complaints this guy did about the original trilogy is if Luke was 10, the original was a prequel to another trilogy of SW films that were actually good, Lucas was as obsessed with special effects back then (based on his comment at the end of the 6th part that wasn't the case), the plot centered around vague taxation problems within a odd form of government, the first movie had no clear main character, among other things. Not the same complaints.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

Wow crying over Jar-Jar...how 1999. GET OVER IT

The sad ironic thing is...although there was no internet I remember the same kinds of people tearing ESB APART in 1980 over the same kinds of crap.

guy face it Lucas on his own is a Hack cause of his bloated neck ego no one will confront him on it,.

 

[DawnWarrior]

Based on the OT here are the basics:
Leia knew her mother
Luke did not know either of his parents
The Clone Wars were very well known
There was a period of utter darkness between the Republic and the Empire
Obi-Wan was around the same age as Luke when he began his training
Obi-Wan trained Anakin
Obi-Wan and Anakin were very close (notice how Vader doesn't even mention Padme yet he mentions Obi-Wan constantly)
Yoda trained Obi-Wan
Anakin turned due to a lust for power
Owen seems jealous of Anakin

I've been thinking about that last one, and maybe it would have helped if Owen was a character in EpI, and was friends with Anakin on Tatooine. Maybe helped him build the podracer or something. It would make more sense continuity-wise than saying that Anakin invented C3PO. Also, in the prequels as they are, Owen meets Anakin one time. It seems a stretch that the older Owen from Ep4 has all these opinions about Luke's old man from just one short meeting.

 

[Kurosawa]

Did you actually watch the videos? The only way people could make the same kinds of complaints this guy did about the original trilogy is if Luke was 10, the original was a prequel to another trilogy of SW films that were actually good, Lucas was as obsessed with special effects back then (based on his comment at the end of the 6th part that wasn't the case), the plot centered around vague taxation problems within a odd form of government, the first movie had no clear main character, among other things. Not the same complaints.

I'm not watching 7 videos of nerdloserboy whining when I've been hearing the same **** for 10 years.

The biggest whines I remember from the losers of the 80's who were also too ignorant to get it (because they had never studied literature or film):

Yoda as a muppet-they all wanted someone like Heston as Kenobi's master

Luke whining too much

C3PO talking too much, being annoying and in the movies too much (this same complaint was transferred to JJB since those kinds of people have no idea that a fool character is often used in these stories.

Vader as Luke's father being a lame soap opera idea

Luke getting too good as Jedi arts too quickly (duh Vader was clearly holding back in ESB)

Too much focus put on special effects

Corny dialogue

Obsession with muppets; I remember lots of people completely dismissing ROTJ as being junk

Constant comparisons with other movies of the time; I remember several fans who felt Clash of the Titans blew Empire away and was the movie Empire should have been.

The heroes lose too much

The heroes win too easily

And I could go on and on. The point being, there is not a SINGLE complaint that I have heard since 1999 about the Prequels that I did not hear ad nauseam about the originals from 1977 to 1983. It's like a ****ing broken record of ignorance and fail.

 

[Sloth7d]

Then all I can say is that you really can't comment if you didn't hear what he said, as none of what you pointed out about the originals is what he's saying here. Just the same, hiding behind the criticism of the Originals to disregard the criticism of the prequels is a bad stand point, especially given that you're talking to people who liked the originals but not the prequels.

I digress, but one thing I'd liked to ask directly is "Do you really think the puppets weren't a bit distracting in the beginning of RotJ?" I don't believe this ruined the film at all, but it seems a legit criticism. It's just hard to take such obviously stationary/difficult to move objects seriously in an atmosphere where we're supposed to feel dread at the sight of them.