Re-Writing the Star Wars Prequels....

[VenomVsSpidey]

No movie series has every line and every frame analyzed like Star Wars does. Even those that hate it can't stop talking about it. Lesser movies receive indifference.

sometimes, I find it quite sad really..and this is coming from a HUGE star wars fan...

 

[Octoberist]

is it a crime to say i dont like star wars..

maybe

 

[Octoberist]

I'm not watching 7 videos of some loser crying over TPM; I've heard every complaint about that movie that I could possibly imagine. I have better things to do with my time. And I don't think the muppets in the beginning of ROTJ are supposed to fill the viewer with dread; it's pretty clearly just a rehash of the cantina freak show.



Irrelevant. The same sorts of complaints people had about 3PO (R2 not so much) were made against JJB. Personally I could give or take him as a character, although I will say a character that is so universally hated by the kinds of people that I myself despise must have something going for it. JJB is NOT a silly sidekick; he a fool character, a staple of tragedies. That's a slight but significant difference.

I do wish Lucas had done a better job with JJB; it's pretty obvious he was trying to create his own Kyoami in him; and Kyoami did get on my nerves at times as well. He did have JJB discount the force to a certain degree, but the character was too childish. But I am glad they still used a fool character; it's too bad Lucas didn't quite pull it off.

I think we're gonna just disagree on this. I agree I like the 'fool' character but to me, there was nothing enduring about Jar Jar. If he was, then he would have played a bigger part in Episode 2 and 3.

I just didn't think Jar Jar worked, though I 'GET' the idea behind him. I think the only saving grace is probably his role in The Clone Wars.

 

[8wid]

I have a serious challenge for everyone who thinks that they can do better with the prequels: actually write a script and post it.

 

[SchumacherFan]

I have a serious challenge for everyone who thinks that they can do better with the prequels: actually write a script and post it.

I might do this. Not because I think I'm a better writer, just because I think it would be fun to get everyone's opinions of my story.

 

[DarKush]

Looking back, I think the main issue I had with the prequels was that GL didn't plot them out as well as he should've.

I don't think the PT characters were as engaging or vital as the OT characters, but there were memorable PT characters. Darth Maul is one of the most visually arresting characters in all of the SW saga. Also, Qui-Gon, Mace Windu, Padme, Jango, and Dooku, were good characters, though I don't think enough was done with Windu, Padme, and Dooku. And Maul's underuse in TPM was almost criminal. Also, the PT did a good job fleshing out some OT characters like Palpatine, Yoda, and Obi-Wan. The PT also did a good job fleshing out the Sith and adding to Vader and Sidious's relationship. I also think the PT was more visually stunning. You really got a better sense of the breadth of the universe, and I really liked the diversity and particularly all of the different and cool-lookwise-Jedi and Jedi Masters on the Council. It's funny that GL created a far more diverse Jedi Council in the PT than the current EU take on the Jedi, despite the fact that the writers are limited only by imagination.

I think the PT also had plenty story. In fact there was too much story and GL did a poor job managing it all. I always thought the Clone Wars should've started in the first film. I also thought that Anakin should've been older. I never got over the ick factor with him and Padme, after watching TPM. Plus, the Padme character was gutted in ROTS. How did she go from a rebellious fighter for Naboo to a person who died because of a broken heart, and leaving her children in the care of Jedi who were being hunted down? GL also had a tendency to focus on unnecessary characters, like Jar Jar and General Grevious, at the expense of character or plot development for the rest of the movies.

I didn't mind Hayden's acting. I thought he made an okay Anakin, and he got the darkside look nailed down. Though if this had been the 80s, I think both Kiefer Sutherland and Ricky Schroeder would've made good Anakins. I blame GL's direction for the problems with his character progression.

Perhaps my major criticism with the PT is that I just can't see Vader as a badass anymore. He came off as a dupe. However, I really liked Palpatine from ROTJ and I loved every scene he was in in the PT. He really shined.

 

[Kurosawa]

I understand why Anakin was the age he was, but I personally would have made Padme about the same age as him. He did transfer some of his affections towards his mother to her, but guys do that with women the same ages (or close) as them all the time.

I do think that one thing Lucas was trying to do in the prequels and that he did do well was deconstruct Vader. Vader isn't a badass. He's a wretch.

 

[Kurosawa]

I understand why Anakin was the age he was, but I personally would have made Padme about the same age as him. He did transfer some of his affections towards his mother to her, but guys do that with women the same ages (or close) as them all the time.

I do think that one thing Lucas was trying to do in the prequels and that he did do well was deconstruct Vader. Vader isn't a badass. He's a wretch.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

I have a serious challenge for everyone who thinks that they can do better with the prequels: actually write a script and post it.

I've said that a MILLION TIMES!! also, cast the actors, hire someone to do the musical score and everything else t:

 

[Jordacar]

Oh man, this is gold:
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Part 5 here is my favorite. If you only watch one part, make it this one.

 

[Sloth7d]

You like it better than part 6 and part 7 where Lucas self-owns himself?

 

[Matt]

I've said that a MILLION TIMES!! also, cast the actors, hire someone to do the musical score and everything else t:

Its such an absurd argument though. I'm not a good cook. That doesn't mean I am incapable of saying when I do not like food. Just because someone cannot write a movie, does not make their opinion on one invalid. By your logic, you can never critique a Uwe Boll movie because he's made it, therefore only his opinion matters.

 

[8wid]

I might do this. Not because I think I'm a better writer, just because I think it would be fun to get everyone's opinions of my story.

I feel very much the same way. I'm so interested in rewriting these I've already though up summaries for it.

I've said that a MILLION TIMES!! also, cast the actors, hire someone to do the musical score and everything else t:

You could use the musical score from the OT and make an animated film.

 

[Matt]

Oh man, this is gold:
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That guy makes valid points but his voice is so bizzare

 

[Sloth7d]

That's his shtick. He feigns the identity of mental ******ation/a manic serial killer when doing reviews apparently.

 

[Sawyer]

IMO one of the biggest things I would change about the prequels is I wouldnt give them an entire ****ing trilogy. I'm sure that, as soon as the thought of an entire trilogy came to George Lucas's mind, thats when ****ty things like Jar Jar Binks came into play. Had Lucas had only 2/2 and a half hours to tell Anakin's story, I think it would've been much more sucessful. It just cuts out the filler.

 

[Deaths Head II]

That's a really good point, but I think most people thought the idea of a new trilogy sounds cooler then just a quadrilogy. For some reason everyone loves trilogies.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

You know...we should team up together or something. I just wrote a scene and another a while back. I also agree that Lucas could have done better with what he had come up with but...hmph.

 

[SchumacherFan]

You know...we should team up together or something. I just wrote a scene and another a while back. I also agree that Lucas could have done better with what he had come up with but...hmph.

Haha....Would never work because each fan has their own unique idea of what he or she would do different! I wouldn't mind another fan who is familiar with Syd Field or has read books on screen writing helping though.

For example, my idea is to cut X amount of characters from the Prequels you have now, where as people might like the characters I cut...

 

[SchumacherFan]

I feel very much the same way. I'm so interested in rewriting these I've already though up summaries for it.

Me too... Have some ideas of where I want the characters to go, the different worlds, the basic plot, and of course the visual images in my head.

Here are the basics everyone (who disliked prequels) would agree with

Episode 1 - No Jar Jar, Vader did NOT build 3P0, Darth Maul Survives

Episode 2 - Better Love Story / Scenes

Episode 3 - No Vader killing Younglings and turning to the dark side in 1.4 seconds

 

[Crook]

Robert Pattinson....yes, I can see the improvements already...

 

[CelticPredator]

I'll stick up for Raimi cause I love Spider-Man3, I'll stick up for Lucas cause I liked the prequels (cept ROTS - LOVED that one). If people don't like it then tough, and even though I hate B&R like no other, even schumaker doesn't deserve all the scrutiny for batman and robin - akiva goldsman wrote the script, and WB o.k.'d it.

Raimi is my favorite director of all time. Yet, SM3 was the biggest pile of overbloated crap I have ever had the misfortune of paying for in the theater. I have never walked out so damn disappointed at a movie in my life.

Has nothing to do with anything other then showing that people arent always biased when they hate on something.

Also...only idiots use the "Why dont you make it yourself" argument. Thats a fact straight outta compton.

 

[DarKush]

I understand why Anakin was the age he was, but I personally would have made Padme about the same age as him. He did transfer some of his affections towards his mother to her, but guys do that with women the same ages (or close) as them all the time.

I do think that one thing Lucas was trying to do in the prequels and that he did do well was deconstruct Vader. Vader isn't a badass. He's a wretch.

I get that GL was trying to deconstruct Vader and make him this tragic figure, I just don't think GL had the skills to really do it without screwing up what made Vader such a menacing presence. GL is great with big ideas and the visual, but somewhere along the way, I think he forgot about the importance of character. So the PT is more plot-driven than character driven IMO, and that leads to less engaging characters.

I think GL was trying to show Anakin as an innocent kid and show us how he becomes a monster, but I don't think he did it all that well. I wanted an older Anakin, for one, it would synch up better with his appearance/apparent age in ROTJ if he was in his 50s, as opposed to his 40s. Two, I wanted Anakin to be a mirror of Luke. Where they are presented with a lot of the same choices, temptations, but Anakin goes left and Luke goes right. Three, GL could've developed the Anakin-Padme relationship more organically than trying to ram it through in AOTC. By ROTS, there was so much going on, that he didn't have much time to nurture it. And he had largely wasted TPM by making Anakin so much younger than Padme in TPM.

Another thing I would've done was make Padme a Jedi. I think the forbidden love thing would've been better if they were both in the Jedi Order and they both had a lot to lose. And they could've had Anakin mortally wound her in combat in ROTS, instead of that limp force choking stuff. I think GL kept trying to make Anakin too much of a hero in the PT. The true tragic hero in the PT should've been Obi Wan.

I also didn't like the idea of Anakin being the Chosen One. Though I did like the idea of the Jedi thinking he was and being wrong. Luke should've been the Chosen One, if they were going to use that tired idea at all.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Haha....Would never work because each fan has their own unique idea of what he or she would do different! I wouldn't mind another fan who is familiar with Syd Field or has read books on screen writing helping though.

For example, my idea is to cut X amount of characters from the Prequels you have now, where as people might like the characters I cut...

Eh right. Nevermind of what I said. lols.

I think in regards to the gungans, for Jar Jar I mean and of all the characters in ep1, he should have had the least amount of screen time. He would have been better suited as a background character or not introduce him at all. I think the gungans would have been better if they had shown up near the end before the big battle but then that means taking out the underwater scenes and so on. I guess, the Jedi could have found one of those bungas or whatever they are called abandon upon the surface nearby.

I think introducing Jango Fett and other Mandalorians would be interesting to see. I really hate the idea of the Trade Federation using a droid army to do their job and the thing is, they're just too easy for the Jedi to cut down. Personally, I would keep the destroyer droids. They were cool. I think if the Mandalorians were part of the invasion of Naboo, ep1 would have been slightly dark but not as dark compared to episode 2 and 3. Near the end, we might have seen the beginning of the clone wars that leads well between ep1 and 2 and continues through ep2 and ends in ep3.

Introduce Dooku. We see him as a member on the Jedi council. Then after Qui Gon's death reaches his ears and having much disgust with how the Jedi have been handling such matters, Dooku decides to leave the Order. We won't know where he goes until ep2.

Introduce Amidala as a Senator instead of Queen. Though, prior to the events of ep1, she was the Queen of Naboo (you could make that as her backstory) and after her return flight from Coruscant to Naboo, she doesn't know she is being hunted by the TF/Mandalorians. So on her return flight home, her ship gets under attacked and is boarded but before she escapes in an escape pod, she sends out a distress signal to Coruscant. Once the Republic get the signal, this is the cue when they send two Jedi to Naboo.


As for Darth Maul, he'd have a lot of screen time. During the invasion of Naboo, he'll be in charge of what goes on. I think keeping Sidious deep in the shadows would have been better just so that his character remains mysterious.

Those are just some of my ideas so far. I have loads.

 

[Bim]

Robert Pattinson....yes, I can see the improvements already...

My thoughts exactly

Celticpredator: ur opinions arent fact, and also u dont have to be so rude calling people "idiots" because they dont think like u do. There are ways to disagree without insulting anyone.