Ready Lounger One

[Guts]

Because they murdered Luke Skywalkers character... even Luke himself hated it.

Hamill referred to his character in the movie as Jake Skywalker because he didn't think the way he acted in the movie was like Luke.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Finally got around to watching The Last Jedi..... can someone explain to me why this was so divisive? I looked into none of the fan reaction really but I’m baffled that so many disliked it.

Some people didn't enjoy what they did with Luke Skywalker. Personally, I also loved the movie and loved what they did with Luke. Won't ruin my enjoyment, though.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

 

[flickchick85]

Finally got around to watching The Last Jedi..... can someone explain to me why this was so divisive? I looked into none of the fan reaction really but I’m baffled that so many disliked it.

I was surprised by the reaction too, tbh. I loved it, Luke's arc and all.

 

[Roose Bolton]

2017 was great with what it did with established heroes, at least for me. Caesar, Logan, Rick Deckard, Luke Skywalker...they all got really amazing films dealing with their mortality and morality.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I was surprised by the reaction too, tbh. I loved it, Luke's arc and all.

At this point though... Why are we surprised? The genre fan community online has a well deserved reputation of screeching loudly and passionately over literally every single thing, sometimes going to insane lengths of near insanity.

Look at how ALREADY there are nutzo SW fans trying to organize a down vote tidal wave for INFINITY WAR before it's even come out or been reviewed.


And ya know... It's gotten to a point where I don't think you can handwave it away as just "a minority" of fans. Not saying it's a majority either but the over heated rhetoric, the hyperbolic sense of offense, the plain ole craziness... It seems to manifest itself more an more. And the behavior is self reinforcing.

A film is announced. There is some aspect that displeases a group in the fandom. They literally spend EVERY SINGLE DAY ****ting on it online in some forum or across social media in some way. They meet some resistance and resentments are forged. The film comes out. The same group **** on the film again, argue over it, literally every day. The resentments and arguments grow and solidify. Check into that forum a year later and... They are still ****ting on said film and arguing over it.EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I'm sorry... That's not healthy. It indicates that... Something is off. And this behavior hasn't gotten better over the years. It's just gotten worse.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

2017 was great with what it did with established heroes, at least for me. Caesar, Logan, Rick Deckard, Luke Skywalker...they all got really amazing films dealing with their mortality and morality.

We all compare this stuff to mythology or folk tales/fairy tales etc. And yet people forget that those sorts of narratives are not supposed to just be about comforting you or entertaining you. They are supposed to illustrate things about our lives and help us confront them. If they don't do that in any substantive way, no matter how upsetting said issue being confronted may be, then it's all just... TRANSFORMERS in one way or another.

 

[Reek]

Did you just take a poo on Transformers?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Did you just take a poo on Transformers?

I took a solid, well coiled fecal dump on said film franchise, yes.


And I know what you are thinking...

 

[flickchick85]

At this point though... Why are we surprised? The genre fan community online has a well deserved reputation of screeching loudly and passionately over literally every single thing, sometimes going to insane lengths of near insanity.

I guess I was surprised by this reaction simply because Luke's arc didn't seem that shocking to me. It was fairly close to what I had assumed after TFA. It didn't at all feel like the surprising "subversion" that so many seemed to see it as, so the outrage kind of came out of left field for me. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I never read any of the extended universe stuff so I didn't have any other grand ideas about what an older Luke would be like, I dunno. But Johnson's take on the Force and the Jedi is something that was touched on in the prequels but not in a remotely satisfying way, so I was very pleased he chose to explore it more through Luke in this film.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I guess I was surprised by this reaction simply because Luke's arc didn't seem that shocking to me. It was fairly close to what I had assumed after TFA. It didn't at all feel like the surprising "subversion" that so many seemed to see it as, so the outrage kind of came out of left field for me. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I never read any of the extended universe stuff so I didn't have any other grand ideas about what an older Luke would be like, I dunno. But Johnson's take on the Force and the Jedi is something that was touched on in the prequels but not in a remotely satisfying way, so I was very pleased he chose to explore it more through Luke in this film.

I was into the early EU stuff and for me for a long time that was all I had to look to for more SW material. Knowing that all that continuity (which was a mixed bag in terms of quality all around ) was thrown out and this was going to be the the official canon was no skin off my nose.


Luke as a character is an important totem of my youth, hell, of "youth" in general, for decades now. I found it incredibly satisfying that he is now also a totem of age and yes... Dying.

 

[Reek]

beds give me nightmares

 

[Perfect Cell]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

 

[Guts]

 

[Roose Bolton]

...I need to revisit Ang's Hulk.

 

[Guts]

This part wasn't in the script. Nick just decided to randomly eat some wires on the floor.

 

[Perfect Cell]

He clubbed a security guard with a computer tower. His hand had become the computer tower. And so on and so forth.

 

[Guts]

[YT]Bnh2AplyKi4[/YT]

 

[Roose Bolton]

Just like his wife...and the knife....merged.

 

[C. Lee]

I guess I was surprised by this reaction simply because Luke's arc didn't seem that shocking to me. It was fairly close to what I had assumed after TFA.

I wonder what they expected after TFA too....did they think the storyline for TLJ would be about how Luke had an army of fresh faced Jedi on the island ready to rocket off of the island and decimate the First Order with Luke at their lead?

...I need to revisit Ang's Hulk.

I did my own fanedit of it. Cut out everything that had Nolte or Nolte's character in it. Made it a much more enjoyable movie.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Just like his wife...and the knife....merged.

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Spoiler

 

[Roose Bolton]

I did my own fanedit of it. Cut out everything that had Nolte or Nolte's character in it. Made it a much more enjoyable movie.

Different strokes. I love the whole element of them doing a dramatic take on the old Bill Mantlo backstory for the Banners.

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Spoiler

He took everything that he had ...and in that moment ...transformed it...into nothing.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Different strokes. I love the whole element of them doing a dramatic take on the old Bill Mantlo backstory for the Banners.



He took everything that he had ...and in that moment ...transformed it...into nothing.

Yeah, that Mantlo stuff is an important building block to what David did. Those issues with the Goblin, the Elf and the Crystal as manifestations of Banner's broken psyche are the forerunners to what David did in making Banner someone with legit MPD.

 

[C. Lee]

I just wanted a straight forward Hulk story. An experiment goes wrong and turns a guy into a monster. Didn't need the abusive childhood storyline for me.