Red Dead Redemption

[The BatDude]

The weird thing is most of them were filmed in Spain

 

[Slick]

Yeah, the "spaghetti" part comes from the fact the original westerns of that particular style were filmed by Italian directors in and around Italy. But now when someone says "spaghetti western" they're talking about a specific style as opposed to where it was filmed.

Dirty, gritty, violent, more realistic, etc... You guys covered it pretty well.

Yup thats all I ment.

 

[SuperAl]

is this the same guys who made red dead revolver, that game kinda sucked

 

[Havok83]

is this the same guys who made red dead revolver, that game kinda sucked

yes it is the same guys. I wouldnt hold that against them though. Killzone 1 sucked and the same developers went on to make its sequel which was praised for being a much superior game. The previews so far make it look like the same will be the case here

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Its not the exact same people... I'm pretty sure the original game was started or halfway completed by another dev (I think they were Japanese, if that helps jog anyones memory) and Rockstar came in and finished it. This sequel is entirely done the Rockstar way, and is massively massively deeper.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Just looked it up, and it was Capcom who left the game, allowing Rockstar to purchase it and expand on it. So the difference here is that this game has been completely created from the ground up with a Rockstar specific vision (by the Houser Brothers, who write all the GTA games)

 

[Havok83]

I think this will be a sleeper hit. Not that man people know about it or even have it on their radar. I think this will be a title that will sell due to reviews and word of mouth. Doesnt seem to have quite the level of hype or buzz that big releases get

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Are you kidding? It's going to at least be as big as GTA IV. You can't go into a game shop without posters and ads everywhere, it's been promoted and advertised on game websites for over a year. Seriously, think about it.... when has a free roam Rockstar game ever NOT done well?

Maybe it's just passed you by, but everyone I know is raving about it.

 

[Havok83]

maybe so bc I never really noticed it until now. I doubt it will be as big as GTA IV though

 

[Wolvieboy17]

maybe so bc I never really noticed it until now. I doubt it will be as big as GTA IV though

I wouldn't be so quick to write it off.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

No Havok is right, in terms of units sold, it wont be as big as GTA IV. It doesn't have the name recognition.

 

[Havok83]

No Havok is right, in terms of units sold, it wont be as big as GTA IV. It doesn't have the name recognition.

Yep, even if it is a better game, people bought GTA simply bc it was GTA. Ive read many regret that and found it disappointing but the GTA name was enough to bring in the huge sales. Red Dead doesnt have that which is why I feel the reviews and word of mouth will play the biggest role in selling the title. I admit that I was pretty ignorant regarding it before the past week but I know Im not the only one. Theres alo of confusion and uncertainty surrounding it. Little research on it brought up its predecessor, Red Dead Revolver which seems pretty mediocore. Im lucky Im on the internet and have a medium to asks these questions and get feedback and better understanding but overall, the general public isnt. I hope it does well bc if not for popping into this thread a few days ago, I most likely wouldnt have even looked at it

 

[Wolvieboy17]

No Havok is right, in terms of units sold, it wont be as big as GTA IV. It doesn't have the name recognition.

No he isn't right... and neither am I. Technically neither of us can claim that until the game actually comes out. Till then its all speculation.

Yep, even if it is a better game, people bought GTA simply bc it was GTA. Ive read many regret that and found it disappointing but the GTA name was enough to bring in the huge sales. Red Dead doesnt have that which is why I feel the reviews and word of mouth will play the biggest role in selling the title. I admit that I was pretty ignorant regarding it before the past week but I know Im not the only one. Theres alo of confusion and uncertainty surrounding it. Little research on it brought up its predecessor, Red Dead Revolver which seems pretty mediocore. Im lucky Im on the internet and have a medium to asks these questions and get feedback and better understanding but overall, the general public isnt. I hope it does well bc if not for popping into this thread a few days ago, I most likely wouldnt have even looked at it

You can't be that hardcore a gamer then, because it would be hard to trawl through any gaming website or a game store without seeing Red Dead Redemption info...

Also, anyone who bought GTA IV will alread know about Red Dead Redemption because Rockstar have been advertising it on the mailing list for the rockstar social club for a year, so anyone who plays online for GTA IV will know about it. I still think you're selling this game short. It doesn't come out until mid May, and the EB my gf works at and the JB HiFi my friend works at are both already sold out on pre-orders over the first shipment of games.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

No he isn't right... and neither am I. Technically neither of us can claim that until the game actually comes out. Till then its all speculation.



You can't be that hardcore a gamer then, because it would be hard to trawl through any gaming website or a game store without seeing Red Dead Redemption info...

Also, anyone who bought GTA IV will alread know about Red Dead Redemption because Rockstar have been advertising it on the mailing list for the rockstar social club for a year, so anyone who plays online for GTA IV will know about it. I still think you're selling this game short. It doesn't come out until mid May, and the EB my gf works at and the JB HiFi my friend works at are both already sold out on pre-orders over the first shipment of games.

Its not going to be as big as GTA IV. Period. I think the game will sell very well, but it will NOT sell the amount of copies GTA IV did. GTA has had a name in the industry for a LONG time now, they have created a huge fan base, you cant just over look that. You thinking that everyone who bought GTA will know about this game is just wrong. I'll bet you that more than 3/4 of the GTA user base has NEVER checked Rockstars social club, so they wont be getting their information from that. GTA sold around 14 million copies, and a majority of that is due to people buying it because its "GTA" Red Dead Redemption does not have that luxury and will not put up those kinds of numbers. No one is selling this game short, most of us think it will be a fantastic title based on the previews and videos we have all seen, but it's not topping GTA IV, anyone who has payed attention to the industry the last 5 - 10 years can see that.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Its not going to be as big as GTA IV. Period. I think the game will sell very well, but it will NOT sell the amount of copies GTA IV did. GTA has had a name in the industry for a LONG time now, they have created a huge fan base, you cant just over look that. You thinking that everyone who bought GTA will know about this game is just wrong. I'll bet you that more than 3/4 of the GTA user base has NEVER checked Rockstars social club, so they wont be getting their information from that. GTA sold around 14 million copies, and a majority of that is due to people buying it because its "GTA" Red Dead Redemption does not have that luxury and will not put up those kinds of numbers. No one is selling this game short, most of us think it will be a fantastic title based on the previews and videos we have all seen, but it's not topping GTA IV, anyone who has payed attention to the industry the last 5 - 10 years can see that.

Agreed . GTA is a powerhouse, but just because Rockstar's name is on something doesn't mean it'll sell crazy big numbers.

I'm more concerned with how good the game will be, though.

 

[Havok83]

Its not going to be as big as GTA IV. Period. I think the game will sell very well, but it will NOT sell the amount of copies GTA IV did. GTA has had a name in the industry for a LONG time now, they have created a huge fan base, you cant just over look that. You thinking that everyone who bought GTA will know about this game is just wrong. I'll bet you that more than 3/4 of the GTA user base has NEVER checked Rockstars social club, so they wont be getting their information from that. GTA sold around 14 million copies, and a majority of that is due to people buying it because its "GTA" Red Dead Redemption does not have that luxury and will not put up those kinds of numbers. No one is selling this game short, most of us think it will be a fantastic title based on the previews and videos we have all seen, but it's not topping GTA IV, anyone who has payed attention to the industry the last 5 - 10 years can see that.

thank you. IA with your entire post. I tried to post my opinions from an objective standpoint. As great this game may end up being it wont be as big as GTA IV and thats bc of the reasons you posted

Also, anyone who bought GTA IV will alread know about Red Dead Redemption because Rockstar have been advertising it on the mailing list for the rockstar social club for a year, so anyone who plays online for GTA IV will know about it. I still think you're selling this game short. It doesn't come out until mid May, and the EB my gf works at and the JB HiFi my friend works at are both already sold out on pre-orders over the first shipment of games.

Not me. I was a GTA IV buyer and while I heard of the name before, I didnt even know it was a Rockstar title until recently. Like ProjectPat said, most GTA IV users werent even active in the Social Club. Ive checked it out but never bothered to put myself on some mailing list. Im not selling the game short. I have not said a single negative thing about it. What I have posted since discovering it has been positive. You just dont like what I have to say pertaining to it. I HOPE it does great and well, but the fact is it doesnt have the recognition GTA has. Thats a fact. With that said, assuming it ends up being a great title, I hope more people find out about it and end up giving it a try

 

[Whiskey Tango]

It's going to be interesting. Normally I would say that an open world game by Rockstar is a license to print money, but in this case I think a lot of it comes down to the setting. Not everyone likes westerns. I think that'll be the biggest hurdle the game faces, assuming the gameplay isn't crap.

Even if it's a hit (and I hope it is) there's no way it outsells GTA though.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

My original point stands, which is no one can say definitely whether it will sell as well as GTA until it comes out, but there is alot of hype around this. It's the biggest game Rockstar have ever made, and I think Rockstar have gotten to the point where their name is almost just as big as GTA.

Agreed, GTA is a massive brand and sells as a result, but I think 'sleeper hit' is massively underselling it. It's had a lot of media buzz around it for a while, alot of gamers know about it, it has a very well known developer behind it... This isn't Darksiders we're talking about.

If anything is going to work against it, it will be as Whiskey Tango said, and be the Western setting.

Having played about half an hour of this game at a games journo function, I can vouch that it is definitely a GTA killer in terms of quality. It feels alot more like a real world, is prettier than all hell, and there seems to be alot more to do.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

My original point stands, which is no one can say definitely whether it will sell as well as GTA until it comes out, but there is alot of hype around this. It's the biggest game Rockstar have ever made, and I think Rockstar have gotten to the point where their name is almost just as big as GTA.



Having played about half an hour of this game at a games journo function, I can vouch that it is definitely a GTA killer in terms of quality. It feels alot more like a real world, is prettier than all hell, and there seems to be alot more to do.

True, but looking at history we have far more than just a 'guess' as to how this game will do compared to GTA IV. No one knew for sure that GTA IV or Modern Warfare 2 would be a massive hit, but going by history and other factors they were able to predict that they would be. Those people were dead on. Its the same thing here.

Oh in terms of pure quality, from what iv heard, this game looks to be second to none. The talk from those who have played is of pure awe. I think it can easily top the quality in GTA IV. Doesnt mean it'll sell 14 million copies, in fact ill guarantee you it doesnt sell 14 million units.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Okay, granted GTA IV still holds the record for fastest selling (i think its fastest selling) but I wouldn't be surprised if this game is one of the highest selling/earning games of 2010.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Okay, granted GTA IV still holds the record for fastest selling (i think its fastest selling) but I wouldn't be surprised if this game is one of the highest selling/earning games of 2010.

I dont know if GTA IV holds the record any more. I think Modern Warfare 2 pretty much shattered all previous records.

As for Redemption being one of the top selling games this year. Yea i think its possible, but it wont do it quickly. If this game is as good as advertised it'll take some time for reviews and word of mouth to spread. Rockstar has stated that they expect to lose money with this title, this game is to show you that the studio behind Redemption can make a AAA title, but they dont expect to profit from it. If the title is that good, i think they will tho.

 

[Havok83]

I dont know if GTA IV holds the record any more. I think Modern Warfare 2 pretty much shattered all previous records.

As for Redemption being one of the top selling games this year. Yea i think its possible, but it wont do it quickly. If this game is as good as advertised it'll take some time for reviews and word of mouth to spread. Rockstar has stated that they expect to lose money with this title, this game is to show you that the studio behind Redemption can make a AAA title, but they dont expect to profit from it. If the title is that good, i think they will tho.

thats what Im thinking. I think it will have a slow start and as the reviews and word of mouth spread, then more people jump on it

 

[Soapy]

I agree, it definitely won't sell as well as GTAIV. I hope it does have some success though. I would love to see more western games.

Speaking of which, have any of you heard of "Lead and Gold"? It seems to be a Team Fortressesque multiplayer game which looks pretty fun.

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-lead-and-gold-gangs-of-the-wild-west/17-2226/

 

[Soapy]

Double post.

 

[Fading]

Its not going to be as big as GTA IV. Period. I think the game will sell very well, but it will NOT sell the amount of copies GTA IV did. GTA has had a name in the industry for a LONG time now, they have created a huge fan base, you cant just over look that. You thinking that everyone who bought GTA will know about this game is just wrong. I'll bet you that more than 3/4 of the GTA user base has NEVER checked Rockstars social club, so they wont be getting their information from that. GTA sold around 14 million copies, and a majority of that is due to people buying it because its "GTA" Red Dead Redemption does not have that luxury and will not put up those kinds of numbers. No one is selling this game short, most of us think it will be a fantastic title based on the previews and videos we have all seen, but it's not topping GTA IV, anyone who has payed attention to the industry the last 5 - 10 years can see that.

I agree. On top of that, Red Dead Redemption is more niche. Where GTA let's you drive around in modern cars, in a modern setting, and let's you possibly vent real world frustrations in a real world setting (i.e. someone cut you off in traffic, you log on GTA IV and start wrecking into everyon lol). RDR is selling to people who like westerns, which is not as big of a market and GTA targeted. That's not to say it won't sell, or won't bring in ppl who don't even normally like westerns, but to say it'll sell more or as much as a very popular well established series is wishful thinking.

Also odd to say ppl who don't agree aren't hardcore gamers, not trying to argue, but Havok has more Platinum trophies than anyone else on my friends list lol. He might have been like me on it, heard the name, but it never really stuck. I heard about RDR a long time ago, but it's not necessarily a setting that stands out as a must get for me so I set it on the back burner mentally for a long time. Now that more stuff is coming out I'm starting to see it in a much better light.

I'm sure it'll be a good game, but I'd try not to oversell it mentally or overhype it either. If you think it'll be a 14 million + seller just because Rockstar makes it, you may come out disappointed. Even tho they haven't been out too long, both Mass Effect 2 and God of War 3 are still under 2 million sold. To think a game will sell 5x both of them because of Rockstar's name being on the box for a new IP might be hoping for too much. GTA (IMO) sells because it's GTA, which includes it's settings, cars, shooting, hookers, and so on, and not so much because it's Rockstar. In fact I'd bet over half the ppl who bought GTA IV don't even know who made it, they just recognize the GTA part.