Superman Returns Return To Krypton Sequence Designs + 3D Clips!!!

[Bad Superman]

Re-cut Now!!!!!!!!

 

[Garzo]

my hypothesis is that they'll be rendered in 3D for IMAX, and also used as an intro for the main baddie in the Supes sequel. Thus, saving at least 10-15 million dollars that have already been spent, and giving us what looks to be a hell of a sequence.

Yes, and Singer will be keeping in line with his film's parallel to the original Donner film by introducing the second film's baddies at the start of the first film, or in this case, in the unseen start of the first film.

The only thing that worries me is that the threat in the sequel, whatever it is, will likely include Krypton, the New Krypton space island, and probably Superman's spacecraft buried in Smallville -- which means that Superman is inadvertantly creating the dangers that threaten Earth.

 

[LexLuthor]

Yes, and Singer will be keeping in line with his film's parallel to the original Donner film by introducing the second film's baddies at the start of the first film, or in this case, in the unseen start of the first film.

The only thing that worries me is that the threat in the sequel, whatever it is, will likely include Krypton, the New Krypton space island, and probably Superman's spacecraft buried in Smallville -- which means that Superman is inadvertantly creating the dangers that threaten Earth.

I can see that. I think that this "sequence" will probably be a flashback scene in the sequel to introdue the "baddie" that singer refers to (Brainiac, Darkseid); or, use it for a sequence in the new movie if he should go visit new Krypton. Another scenario that I can see is Doomsday being formed on new Krypton as sort of a clone of Superman that went wrong. Remember, Supes was stabbed and blood did leak out onto new Krypton. Doomsday would be made out of the New Krypton land mass and some form of Kryptonian crystals. Ehh, it's all plausible.

 

[AsteroidMan]

Yeah, for a five to six minute scene (I think referring to it as a sequence may be a bit off), this should not have been cut at all! I'm really disappointed in Singer that he'd take something like this out. But then again, although five to six minutes in "move time" is a lot of time. Try and find a five to six minute sequence you'd cut in the movie and you'll invariably find that you're cutting two scenes. That's because most scenes are 2-3 minutes long, not five to six. In fact, this is true for most movies in general -- 2 to 3 minutes for a scene. Even the screenwriter -- with their 1 page to 1 minute ration -- is cautioned not to write a scene longer then 2 to 3 pages. The only thing that breaks this rule on screen is action sequences, which naturally tend to run longer.

Shooting script - page 3 to page 5 (3 pages as you suggested!).
The SEQUENCE (yes, RK was a sequence) had 13 scenes with varying number of shots in each, lasting approx. 5 minutes in the final cut.

These scenes were according to the book:
RK4 - Int. Spaceship - ship "wakes up", Kal El waking up in the sleeping chamber and walking to the front window
RK5 - Ext. Space and ship turning on beam of light
RK6 - Int. Spaceship - Kal El watching his homeworld
RK7 - Ext. Krypton - ship over the surface
RK8 - Int. Spaceship -Kal El controlling the ship and looking out
RK9 - Ext. Krypton - ship exploring the canyons (see the teaser)
RK10 - Ext. Krypton - Valey of Elders
RK11 - Int. Spaceship - Kal El discovering Kryptonite in his family crest
RK12 - Ext. Krupton - Reveal of the planet shard
RK13 - Int. Spaceship - Kal El falling, ship being hit by shards
RK14 - Ext. Asteroid Field - Flying through the debris (this scene was largely extended with more action than in the shooting script)
RK15 - Int. Spaceship - "Home"
RK16 - Ext. Deep Space - ship leaving the proximity of the planet's ruins

There were no rules broken in this part of the script. Somebody decided it should not be in the movie. Most probably not the writers' fault. I am not sure it was even the director's decision.

 

[Mike_D202]

Granted it looks like a beautiful scene, but it doesnt make any sense. Krypton was blown to chunks, and that looks like more than a chunk was left...thats half a friggin' planet!

 

[Norm3]

Great I can't see the site. Did they close it?

 

[wobbly]

Granted it looks like a beautiful scene, but it doesnt make any sense. Krypton was blown to chunks, and that looks like more than a chunk was left...thats half a friggin' planet!

I personally think that would have more workable than what was seen (Red sun going Nova and Krypton blowing up) and more in keeping with the script given in the film, ie: Clark's describing it as a 'graveyard' and those astronomers had to find something significant enough in mass to get Clark interested. A few remaining chunks would hardly be worth the trip and how would they (or Clark from looking at what they found) recognise from such debris that what they saw was Krypton if there was nothing but smithereens left over?

As presented though, with them only showing Krypton getting blown up, it's Clarks 'graveyard' comment and the astronomers finding remains in the first place that don't make much sense (imo).

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Dammit the site is down before I got a chance to really look at it.

I too was disappointed in the scene being cut, but I am working on a script where the scene features as a flashback. Its possible to use the scene to provide some context for Braniac, or any other Kryptonian villain.

Maybe there is a scene where Superman sees a spot where the Braniac computer was supposed to be, and its missing now (a'la TAS).

 

[bsquad]

Granted it looks like a beautiful scene, but it doesnt make any sense. Krypton was blown to chunks, and that looks like more than a chunk was left...thats half a friggin' planet!

well they did cut out the entire Luthor set Superman up angle, so that big piece of the planet was than likely what the astronemers saw, and what lead Superman and the astronemers to believe that something or someone may have survived the explosion. so in a way they were right (parts of Krypton didn't blow up) and in a way they were wrong (not likely anything Kryptonian survived considering its pretty much all kryptonite now)

 

[AsteroidMan]

Granted it looks like a beautiful scene, but it doesnt make any sense. Krypton was blown to chunks, and that looks like more than a chunk was left...thats half a friggin' planet!

What you are missing is that in the original cut of the movie, the sun explosion was different. You never saw the planet actually exploding, and the explosion was not supposed to be a Supernova - the Supernova was written into the script and the novel, but a different theory was developed to explain what happened at a later point of the movie production which made everything plausible. Since this aspect of the movie is not in the 2006 theatrical cut, it does not matter what the theory was.

After the titles, one would have seen the ship approaching Krypton, intentionally causing confusion (wait a minute - the planet did not explode?!?), followed by the revelation the planet was not a planet but just a shard made mostly of Kryptonite.

Around the time the RK sequence was cut, the whole intro with the comics-reading child and the STM flashbacks that included the sun explosion was also cut. For a couple of months, there was no intention to show ANY sun explosion at all.
About a month before the first press screening, it was decided that the sun explosion shot should be resurrected, this time together with the planet, and that would transition into the new credit sequence. Obviously, the new sun explosion shot did not have to make sense in the context of the already cut RK sequence, just be as spectacular as possible in the 5 weeks time available... (I believe it was t

Btw, the main reason Bryan wanted the sun to explode in the first place wasn't a scientific or historical one (it did explode in STM after all) - the main reason was an artistic one. He wanted Kal El to be able to visit a place that actually LOOKS like a graveyard, so the sun had to go to allow for the right moody graveyard-like lighting of the RK sequence...

 

[X-Maniac]

What you are missing is that in the original cut of the movie, the sun explosion was different. You never saw the planet actually exploding, and the explosion was not supposed to be a Supernova - the Supernova was written into the script and the novel, but a different theory was developed to explain what happened at a later point of the movie production which made everything plausible. Since this aspect of the movie is not in the 2006 theatrical cut, it does not matter what the theory was.

After the titles, one would have seen the ship approaching Krypton, intentionally causing confusion (wait a minute - the planet did not explode?!?), followed by the revelation the planet was not a planet but just a shard made mostly of Kryptonite.

Around the time the RK sequence was cut, the whole intro with the comics-reading child and the STM flashbacks that included the sun explosion was also cut. For a couple of months, there was no intention to show ANY sun explosion at all.
About a month before the first press screening, it was decided that the sun explosion shot should be resurrected, this time together with the planet, and that would transition into the new credit sequence. Obviously, the new sun explosion shot did not have to make sense in the context of the already cut RK sequence, just be as spectacular as possible in the 5 weeks time available... (I believe it was t

Btw, the main reason Bryan wanted the sun to explode in the first place wasn't a scientific or historical one (it did explode in STM after all) - the main reason was an artistic one. He wanted Kal El to be able to visit a place that actually LOOKS like a graveyard, so the sun had to go to allow for the right moody graveyard-like lighting of the RK sequence...

Interesting stuff from someone obviously very close to the production.

But if the sun had gone supernova (and Bryan implied it did by having no sun in the Krypton sequence to get the right lighting), then would there be anything at all left of the planet?

 

[AsteroidMan]

But if the sun had gone supernova (and Bryan implied it did by having no sun in the Krypton sequence to get the right lighting), then would there be anything at all left of the planet?

It did not go supernova. It exploded in an untypical way, creating mainly a type of radiation the planetary shields of Krypton could not handle and which radiation caused the crystals in the core of the planet to turn into Kryptonite. (While not in the movie, one could picture Jor-El explaining to the Council that a newly discovered particle type would cause a global cataclism and the Elders answering - "Don't panic, we are safe behind our planetary defence")
The internal pressure of the Kryptonite conversion ultimately split the planet into pieces and those that left the shadow of the planetary shield got blasted into deep space, while others remaining where the planet used to be. The remnants of the sun created a nice-looking gas nebula...

 

[X-Maniac]

It did not go supernova. It exploded in an untypical way, creating mainly a type of radiation the planetary shields of Krypton could not handle and which radiation caused the crystals in the core of the planet to turn into Kryptonite. (While not in the movie, one could picture Jor-El explaining to the Council that a newly discovered particle type would cause a global cataclism and the Elders answering - "Don't panic, we are safe behind our planetary defence")
The internal pressure of the Kryptonite conversion ultimately split the planet into pieces and those that left the shadow of the planetary shield got blasted into deep space, while others remaining where the planet used to be. The remnants of the sun created a nice-looking gas nebula...

Sounds feasible, though I'm no astrophysicist!

So when are you (whoever you are!) and Bryan and everyone else coming back to X-Men to give us a cosmic Phoenix and an M'Krann crystal...after all, can a 'Phoenix' ever truly die.

 

[enamic5]

Yep - seems that site is now down for good. Shame, cause it looked great. But maybe Warner weren't too happy with people seeing all that before the DVD came out?

 

[wobbly]

Since we already knew the return to Krypton scenes were actually shot beyond this preliminary design work has there been any official explanation as to why they were cut? They would have added only a few minutes to the running time and would have given the film a far more impressive start to the version we saw in the theatres...and like I said before, it would have made a lot more sense to what was said later in the film (or even in the opening blurb for that matter).

Whatever the reason, I guess it's wait for the DVD's deleted scenes...or if WB are being cynical, another good few months for a 'Directors' cut (hard to believe Singer would have allowed those scenes to be cut without his permission though).

 

[P.B.&Chocolate]

With the site being down it makes me wonder if these were even suppose to be seen outside of WB, and Bryan Singer ? They were pretty detailed it was strange it was online. Could we have possibly seen the first spoilers from the sequel ?

 

[Retroman]

I may be wrong but i think the bandwith took a killing.
Procter addressed the 'diehard fans' of Superman on his site so i think he was given the okay to display the designs on his site.

 

[Retroman]

Yeah, for a five to six minute scene (I think referring to it as a sequence may be a bit off), this should not have been cut at all! I'm really disappointed in Singer that he'd take something like this out. But then again, although five to six minutes in "move time" is a lot of time. Try and find a five to six minute sequence you'd cut in the movie and you'll invariably find that you're cutting two scenes. That's because most scenes are 2-3 minutes long, not five to six. In fact, this is true for most movies in general -- 2 to 3 minutes for a scene. Even the screenwriter -- with their 1 page to 1 minute ration -- is cautioned not to write a scene longer then 2 to 3 pages. The only thing that breaks this rule on screen is action sequences, which naturally tend to run longer.

Either way, this is definitley five to six minutes I could've sit through, especially since it would've heightened the surrealism of Lex's own island, allowed Lex to be the main manipulator of him leaving, and also justified the price tag a little more to naysayers.

Either way, Singer really needs to be pressured to release this stuff. WB needs to get on him; fans need to get on him. We should see this.

And yes, I do think this is a peek at what we're getting in the sequel as to more "sci-fi"

Agreed.I wonder how that decision went down with the rest of the crew?

Since we already knew the return to Krypton scenes were actually shot beyond this preliminary design work has there been any official explanation as to why they were cut? They would have added only a few minutes to the running time and would have given the film a far more impressive start to the version we saw in the theatres...and like I said before, it would have made a lot more sense to what was said later in the film (or even in the opening blurb for that matter).

Whatever the reason, I guess it's wait for the DVD's deleted scenes...or if WB are being cynical, another good few months for a 'Directors' cut (hard to believe Singer would have allowed those scenes to be cut without his permission though).

Singer says it was his decision.Read: http://ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1562

 

[Retroman]

Great I can't see the site. Did they close it?

Dammit the site is down before I got a chance to really look at it.

I saved everything. Later i'll rehost and repost them here.

What you are missing is that in the original cut of the movie, the sun explosion was different. You never saw the planet actually exploding, and the explosion was not supposed to be a Supernova - the Supernova was written into the script and the novel, but a different theory was developed to explain what happened at a later point of the movie production which made everything plausible. Since this aspect of the movie is not in the 2006 theatrical cut, it does not matter what the theory was.

After the titles, one would have seen the ship approaching Krypton, intentionally causing confusion (wait a minute - the planet did not explode?!?), followed by the revelation the planet was not a planet but just a shard made mostly of Kryptonite.

Around the time the RK sequence was cut, the whole intro with the comics-reading child and the STM flashbacks that included the sun explosion was also cut. For a couple of months, there was no intention to show ANY sun explosion at all.
About a month before the first press screening, it was decided that the sun explosion shot should be resurrected, this time together with the planet, and that would transition into the new credit sequence. Obviously, the new sun explosion shot did not have to make sense in the context of the already cut RK sequence, just be as spectacular as possible in the 5 weeks time available... (I believe it was t

Btw, the main reason Bryan wanted the sun to explode in the first place wasn't a scientific or historical one (it did explode in STM after all) - the main reason was an artistic one. He wanted Kal El to be able to visit a place that actually LOOKS like a graveyard, so the sun had to go to allow for the right moody graveyard-like lighting of the RK sequence...

Interesting stuff AsteroidMan.You certainly know a lot.

 

[Retroman]

Edit.

 

[CGHulk]

This is why I'm not buying SR on DVD. Singer will just add this scene back into the movie at a later time and add in Martha's line," Your father said you we're here for a reason." He'll be adding in young Clark finding his spaceship as a boy. He hinted at all of this at Comic Con. So I'll be waiting till all of this will be added in for another DVD release.

 

[Retroman]

Reposting the designs and illustrations by Ben Procter for those who may have missed them. Since his site's bandwith has been killed.

Just click on the pic to see it in full size.

Baby Superman's Pod....

 

[Retroman]

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Source: Benprocter.com

 

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Last baby ship design...



Source: Benprocter.com

 

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Kal-El's Crystal ship....





Source: Benprocter.com