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You have a time machine which sends you back to the year your favorite book was introduced. It has accessories that grant you the skill to write/draw comics at professional level and mind control abilities to get an editor to hire you.

In short you have the power to make your favorite book the way you think it should have been done. No missteps or things you want to forget happened.

What book would you design?

Me:

Killian's Legion (LSH revamp)

It is 2959 and a badly war torn Earth is the scene. A reasonably dashing officer type walks through the wreckage of Metropolis to a military base. Exposition to explain the war, Earth's being on it's last leg. He's almost killed by a 13 year old in a badly fitting uniform too scared to realize Brigadier Killian was approaching.

Inside, Killian gets to an installation deep underground where the power woorks and very little seems to be wanting.

The facility is a time portal, Earth is reduced to rising it's history to save it's present. The portal is being used to grab the heroes of an earlier age and recruit them to save Earth.

The enemy attacks at this point and it's a race to get the portal to work now before their defenses are overwhelmed.

Fruitless searches eat up valuable time. Finally they lock onto a red and blue streak flying across the sky too fast for them to make out the details. With no time to spare, they grab Superman and discover they took a 14 year old Superboy.

Still, he's a lot better than some of the other choices they had. Superboy manages to evacuate the facility before it blows and drive off the invaders.

Proper introductions are made and Superboy is drafted to lead the last of Earth's superbeings against the enemy.

He's older than most of them. Situation is THAT bad.

In place of Cosmic Boy and Lightning Lad there is the electromagnetic boy Dynamo (Age 13). In place of Saturn Girl is the Teep/Teek Psihawk, a tactical fighting amazon from Paradise Island. (15 years old) Her Mental abilities include limited telepathy, TK not quite up to her Amazonian muscles but useful none the less and she flies by creating 'imaginary wings' are virtually indestructible when she forms them. She can make them thick or thin at will, at their thinnest they are remarkable cutting weapons, particularly when flying at top speed. Brainiac 5 is replaced with Interface, a black 12 year old from Jamaica who has three doctorates already. Machines he touches do what he tells them to do, even do things they normally can't! Wears power armor adding Super Strength and something akin to invulnerability to his arsenal. Other powers vary with configuration but flight will be a commonly used one.

Prior to Superboy's arrival he led the team.

Chuck Taine isn't Bouncing Boy, he's Slam! (exclamation point is NOT optional) A stretching brick, super strong able to richochet etc. No beach ball looks allowed.

Haunt: the non science character in the group. The ghost of an Earth soldier. Invisibility, intangibility a terror power. He needs to stay focused or risks fading off to the next realm forever.

Repli-Kate. Triplicate Girl meets Multi-man of the Impossibles. If the original of her dies, she's had it. But Computo could fry thousands of her copies and just waste electricity.

Brigadier Killian takes a Batman role. He's that damned good. And in command, of them and the supporting troops and transports, not merely a team leader.

Remote: an invention of Interface, a small computer brain able to duplicate to a lesser extent, Interface's abillity to interact with machines.

With Superboy's help, Earth is abile to break the blockade the enemy has had around the Sol system, long enough for a couple of convoys to get in, resupplying Earth with things it needs.

The enemy counter attacks however. They've identified Superboy and begin detonating quantum bombs around Earth. These will trap Superboy in the future, preventing him from becoming Superman in his own era. Time disruption. This will affect them too (Supes has saved their worlds a couple times at minimum) but affects Earth more. They're leaving a window they can close off whenever they choose to.

No choice Killlian sends Superboy out of his era. "Between their ship losses and the resupply, you've given us a chance, one better than we could hope for. You've done more than we dared ask. Now it's up to us!"

Superboy exits the 30th century and the last Q-bomb seals that timeline off from him.

A Superboyless Legion series begins. I see the first 50 issues dealing with the war, with issue 50 marking victory. The post war Legion becomes a crime fighting unit.
 
Sweet merciful Zeus no. I mean, "Slam!"? Really? It sounds like a really bad 90s attempt at being "X-Tream". This isn't at all what the Legion is about, and what they're about is perfectly fine the way it is.
 
You have a time machine which sends you back to the year your favorite book was introduced. It has accessories that grant you the skill to write/draw comics at professional level and mind control abilities to get an editor to hire you.

In short you have the power to make your favorite book the way you think it should have been done. No missteps or things you want to forget happened.

Why would you think your favourite book hasn't been done properly?
 
Well, theres always misteps with characters that still cause problems to this day.

I would have made Aquaman all about the mystical side from the beginning if I could. Maybe we could have changed the entire idea of him being useless to the populace if they saw him carrying around Neptune's Trident and doing some freaky Sea God hocus pocus.
 
I would use my time machine to go back to 2004.

Joe Quesada: "Hey, Grant Morrison's X-Men is too complicated and too progressive. When he gets done I'm going to undo everything he ever did and make a whole other Xorn and --"

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And that's how I would have made my favorite book happen the way that it should have.
 
That is the smartest thing anybody has ever said ever!!
 
Why would you think your favourite book hasn't been done properly?

Aside from Continuity isues, some really bad characters a 'future legion' series that constrained story development for almos a decade or that a really good concept is drowning in too many excess characters.

I see the Legion concept (Futuristic mostly teen heroes) as viable but I'm not happy with the execution of it, nor the multiple retcons used to 'fix' it.

How I reasoned it:

If 'teen heroes were the primary defenders of the planet, something bad had to happen to the adult heroes who should be the primary defenders.

And a situation suited for this is one where Earth is a week or two short of being conquered when 'seed corn' it's young are pressed into service.

I prefer Slam! to Bouncing Boy. As a human beachball, he's silly, but the basic power concept, a hard hitting fast moving richocheting hero is actually fairly effective and dynamic.

The Legion was saddled with some bad decisions. They started out as a one shot, a very light story about Super Mousketeer Club types who pull a prank on Superboy.

Sales indicated the return of these pranksters, and the stories were generally lighthearted things, formulaic with the goal of someone becoming a member of the Legion being what the story was about.

This produced a members list too unwieldy to work well. And it appears Editor Mort Weisinger thought they were a fad that would go away, and tried to speed up the process by introducing exceptionally lame character types like Matter Eater Lad, Tripllicate Girl (hey I can split into THREE non powered people!) Dream Girl and so on.

Too much deadwood there, so start from scratch.
 
Aside from Continuity isues, some really bad characters a 'future legion' series that constrained story development for almos a decade or that a really good concept is drowning in too many excess characters.

I see the Legion concept (Futuristic mostly teen heroes) as viable but I'm not happy with the execution of it, nor the multiple retcons used to 'fix' it.

How I reasoned it:

If 'teen heroes were the primary defenders of the planet, something bad had to happen to the adult heroes who should be the primary defenders.

And a situation suited for this is one where Earth is a week or two short of being conquered when 'seed corn' it's young are pressed into service.

I prefer Slam! to Bouncing Boy. As a human beachball, he's silly, but the basic power concept, a hard hitting fast moving richocheting hero is actually fairly effective and dynamic.

The Legion was saddled with some bad decisions. They started out as a one shot, a very light story about Super Mousketeer Club types who pull a prank on Superboy.

Sales indicated the return of these pranksters, and the stories were generally lighthearted things, formulaic with the goal of someone becoming a member of the Legion being what the story was about.

This produced a members list too unwieldy to work well. And it appears Editor Mort Weisinger thought they were a fad that would go away, and tried to speed up the process by introducing exceptionally lame character types like Matter Eater Lad, Tripllicate Girl (hey I can split into THREE non powered people!) Dream Girl and so on.

Too much deadwood there, so start from scratch.

Mark Waid's explanation for why the Legion are primarily teenagers and the main defenders of Earth works perfectly: They represent a cultural movement, largely made up of young people, that aims to bring society back to a time when people actually did something with their lives that matters.

Also, anyone who says that Matter Eater Lad is a lame character has obviously never read any good Legion stories. And on a related note, yes, Bouncing Boy is silly, but he's also a great character and a highly effective member of The Legion. His silliness makes him fun. And calling him "Slam!" makes it sound like he's trying hard to be an "X-Tream" badass circa 1994. Which just flies in the face of what makes Bouncing Boy a great character in the first place.
 
Mark Waid's explanation for why the Legion are primarily teenagers and the main defenders of Earth works perfectly: They represent a cultural movement, largely made up of young people, that aims to bring society back to a time when people actually did something with their lives that matters.

Also, anyone who says that Matter Eater Lad is a lame character has obviously never read any good Legion stories. And on a related note, yes, Bouncing Boy is silly, but he's also a great character and a highly effective member of The Legion. His silliness makes him fun. And calling him "Slam!" makes it sound like he's trying hard to be an "X-Tream" badass circa 1994. Which just flies in the face of what makes Bouncing Boy a great character in the first place.

You've made that same X-Tream strawman remark before. You could go lower than Bouncing Boy. 'Beachball boy', for examptle. But the point is Chuck Taine's super self was a joke.

I don't discount the notion that Weisinger was never comfortable about the Legion's success and had his writers try to 'jump the shark' more than a decade before that term came into existence by stacking the silliest and lamest characters they could come up with. It didn't work, the Legion's popularity didn't wane, and he reached the point where the membership threatened to require the entire story each story, every story, just to introduce the members to first time readers.

You don't like Slam! as a character name. You've now made that point twice. Any constructive comments you'd care to add now?

Giffen made Tenzi Kem a fantastic guy, a social manipulator of the highest order. That didn't help ME Lad's lameness, though.
 
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You've made that same X-Tream strawman remark before. You could go lower than Bouncing Boy. 'Beachball boy', for examptle. But the point is Chuck Taine's super self was a joke.

How? His power is pretty effective in a fight. The only joke element, really, is his name, and what's wrong with that?

I don't discount the notion that Weisinger was never comfortable about the Legion's success and had his writers try to 'jump the shark' more than a decade before that term came into existence by stacking the silliest and lamest characters they could come up with. It didn't work, the Legion's popularity didn't wane, and he reached the point where the membership threatened to require the entire story each story, every story, just to introduce the members to first time readers.

Well, they are a Legion, after all. A large membership is to be expected. Does it cause slightly cumbersome continuity? It can. But I think it can also enrich it, by giving a backdrop for the story that seems real.

You don't like Slam! as a character name. You've now made that point twice. Any constructive comments you'd care to add now?

The point is that it reflects the over all nature of your revamp: It's a pointless change that doesn't actually improve on anything in the story, and actually detracts from what made the characters good in the first place. Another point on the same subject is Interface. Brainiac 5 is a great character. Turning him from the super intelligent techno/organic descendant of Brainiac into a black human technopath doesn't improve on the character in any way. Really, it just replaces a perfectly good character with a completely new one.

Giffen made Tenzi Kem a fantastic guy, a social manipulator of the highest order. That didn't help ME Lad's lameness, though.

Yes it did. It made him a good character. And that's what counts. So what if he's got a corny name? Corny names can be brilliant if they reflect the character well. And his power, while very strange, actually has some practical applications, especially in combat.
 
Well, theres always misteps with characters that still cause problems to this day.

I would have made Aquaman all about the mystical side from the beginning if I could. Maybe we could have changed the entire idea of him being useless to the populace if they saw him carrying around Neptune's Trident and doing some freaky Sea God hocus pocus.
Neptune's trident would definitely make him badass. There shouldn't be so much of a disconnect between Atlantis' mystical prehistoric past and its present, either. Arion should be a national hero fo Atlantis even down to Aquaman's day. Mix a little Arrowsmith in and make Atlantis an underwater nation that developed to a comparable level as modern surface society, but through magic instead of technology. A whole race of battlemages, basically.
 
Also, Orin should have a massive amount of sway in the mystical community, as he is the rightful king of a very important mystical realm. While he shouldn't be sen as a God, I think his status should be comparable to a demi-god in terms of respect.
 
Aquaman as some sorta Poseidon/Odin Hybrid. Awesome.
 
Yeah, wielding Neptune's trident would basically make him Neptune's champion on Earth.
 
Which he should be. I mean, he's already got the patronage (well, matronage) of the Lady of the Lake. I'd think he'd be the champion of water gods in general, as well as gods of reason and advancement, which is another big aspect of Atlantis, and something that The Lady, being one of the facilitators of King Arthur's rise, also represents. Really, if you wanted to, you could argue that Aquaman represents the same ideas as Wonder Woman, albeit from the masculine perspective instead of the feminine one. But that's only if you REALLY want to dig into the mystical aspects of the character. Which I do. I mean, I like the political stuff with Atlantis, but honestly, I prefer to see Atlantis treated as a mystical realm instead of just some other country that just happens to be populated by mutant mer-folk.
 
The internal structure of Atlantis should be like Camelot to reflect that Arthurian background, too. He should have a cabinet of advisors not unlike the Knights of the Round Table, including all the cool supporters he's had over the years. Maybe he could absorb Sub Diego into Atlantis and restructure it along Arthurian lines, with Cal Durham, Officer Malrey, and Lorena alongside Tempest and Vulko as his advisors.
 
I would actually argue that the League would be the modern equivalent of the Round Table (an argument that has been made before), with Orin serving the role of King Arthur as the backbone who's been there more than anyone besides J'onn and held the team together when it nearly collapsed, J'onn serving the role of Merlin as the mentor and advisor who works behind the scenes, and Superman serving the role of Lancelot of the more practically skilled pretty boy who gets all the glory and kicks a lot of ass.
 
So would that Make Batman Galahad?
 
Was Galahad the jerk who kept plans to take down all the other knights?
 
I think he was the guy that found the holy grail or something.
 
I don't think Aquaman should or would be beholden to a jerkass like Neptune/Poseidon. He and the Lady of the Lake was a good fit. With that fishy bastard? Not a good fit.
 
Well, the Lady of the Lake just adds to the Arthurian connection, which is fine by me. Maybe they could tie the Secret Sea into the Clear. Anyone remember the Clear? It was an attempt to give Aquaman something similar to Swamp Thing's Green, only it was like this big network of all marine life throughout the universe.
 

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