Ridley Scott's "Alien: Covenant" (Oct 6, 2017)

[dark_b]

for story you have to trust the writters.

 

[Octoberist]

And the director who has more say since it's their medium.

 

[Great Cthulhu]

How long ago was the idea of Jonah Hill in a serious role outlandish?

Jonah Hill is actually in this film? lol.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Unless the film is a comedy I doubt McBride will be doing his usual thing.

If it were up to you I bet we would never have keaton as Batman

Sometimes comedians make the best dramatic actors

Like Steve carell

Does the MTV Movie Awards have a category for Least Interesting Ensemble Cast? Because this will win.

Half of them will just end up being xenomorph casualties anyways

 

[craigdbfan]

Based on the cast it looks like all the money is going towards the technical sides of things.

 

[chamber-music]

The cast for the previous alien films were not filled with big names at the time they were made.

Ripley was Sigourney Weaver's first leading movie role.

 

[Schlosser85]

The Alien movies have never had star-studded casts. The cast of Alien were all virtual unknowns at the time, including Sigourney Weaver.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yep, and let's face the aliens will be the main draw for the movie, along with David probably.

 

[Drizzle]

Based on the cast it looks like all the money is going towards the technical sides of things.

It was kind of the same with Prometheus. The biggest name in that was Charlize Theron. Noomi Rapace was riding a wave in Hollywood at the time thanks to The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo but she's had a quieter career since. Fassbender and Idris Elba were beginning to gain popularity and Guy Pearce was more of a cameo but the rest of the cast weren't big name actors.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It was kind of the same with Prometheus. The biggest name in that was Charlize Theron. Noomi Rapace was riding a wave in Hollywood at the time thanks to The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo but she's had a quieter career since. Fassbender and Idris Elba were beginning to gain popularity and Guy Pearce was more of a cameo but the rest of the cast weren't big name actors.

They were probably bigger that the cast we have for the sequel thought. In fact take away the probably.

Again the aliens will be the main draw.

 

[green]

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2016/...-sequel-moves-gambit-and-alien-covenant.html/

Looks like it's been bumped up to August 4th

 

[Broseph44]

The cast for the previous alien films were not filled with big names at the time they were made.

Ripley was Sigourney Weaver's first leading movie role.

The Alien movies have never had star-studded casts. The cast of Alien were all virtual unknowns at the time, including Sigourney Weaver.

Exactly

 

[chamber-music]

Rostyslav Zagornov - Fan Concept Art

Xenotemple

Nest

Awakening

 

[Lord]

That fan art is amazing.

Anyone else a bit afraid that all these massive plans for multiple films might end up just leading into more unresolved plot threads? Alien 1, 2 and 3 sort of were closed narratives, each having a beginning, middle and end. Then Resurrection felt like it was jsut the beginning of more stories to come...and they were never told. Both Alien vs Predator films ended with sequel bait. Prometheus only needed to be a prequel for Alien, but Scott decided to make it the start of a new trilogy. Now, Prometheus's sequel is a new trilogy. If i'm not mistaken, even Blomkamp implied that his pitched film might lead into a new trilogy.

I honestly just want another great stand-alone story set in the Alien unvierse, i think it's pointless for them to just keep hyping up a whole new series of films, and it doesn't even seem like they have a clear end-game.

 

[Loki882]

I still think that taking something that had a really simple main premise, but executed brilliantly (a slasher movie in space for Alien, a war film in space, with a "surrogate family forming" plot thrown in for good measure, with Aliens) and trying to now make it some grand, multi-film, pseudo-philosophical "epic" with religious allegories, was a mistake to begin with.

 

[dude stannis]

Why? Would you rather they just keep doing the same thing?

 

[Frankeh]

I still think that taking something that had a really simple main premise, but executed brilliantly (a slasher movie in space for Alien, a war film in space, with a "surrogate family forming" plot thrown in for good measure, with Aliens) and trying to now make it some grand, multi-film, pseudo-philosophical "epic" with religious allegories, was a mistake to begin with.

I agree with you, but I'm optimistic about this movie, simply because I want more Alien goodness.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The Alien franchise has always had big ideas at its core, right from the very first film. Personally I think it enhances the horror, and prefer that to the straight action adventure method James Cameron applied.

 

[Loki882]

Not really. The first film was a really simple idea. Which is fine, because it was brilliantly executed.

 

[Loki882]

Why? Would you rather they just keep doing the same thing?

As opposed to a jumble of half-assed "symbolism," poorly fleshed-out characters, and pseudo-philosophical nonsense that makes no sense if you put any kind of thought into it, etc.

Yes, yes I would.

 

[dude stannis]

Meh. I'd rather something aim high and miss, than something aim square for the middle and hit.

 

[chamber-music]

The Alien films have always been a bit Lovecraftian. I think expanding on the cosmic horror mythology can work. It is all in the execution.

Even in the first movie when they found the giant corpse of the Space Jockey/Engineer there was a hint of some wider cosmic mythology.

I don't have a problem with Ridley Scott being influenced by Milton either.

Dan O'Bannon said he straight up stole his Alien ideas a bunch of science fiction films.

He got the idea of professional men being pursued by a deadly alien creature through a claustrophobic environment The Thing from Another World (1951).

Forbidden Planet (1956) gave O'Bannon the idea of a ship being warned not to land, and then the crew being killed one by one by a mysterious creature when they defy the warning.

Planet of the Vampires (1965) contains a scene in which the heroes discover a giant alien skeleton; this influenced the Nostromo crew's discovery of the alien creature in the derelict spacecraft.[38] O'Bannon has also noted the influence of "Junkyard" (1953), a short story by Clifford D. Simak in which a crew lands on an asteroid and discovers a chamber full of eggs.

Aliens borrowed a lot from the book Starship Troopers which James Cameron listed as a huge influence. Cameron made the cast read the book. Cameron incorporated various themes and phrases, such as the terms "the drop" and "bug hunt", as well as the cargo-loader exoskeleton from the book. The reason the Aliens are bug like is because of Starship Troopers influence.

 

[Teelie]

All of that may be true but all Scott did with the help of Lindelof is make a mess of a prequel that might have contributed something more useful and interesting.

Now he's gone on to make a new trilogy of movies that may or may not contribute to the Alien franchise. Already he has altered his plans from a single movie to a trilogy to a quadrilogy and changed when the xenomorph shows up and who will be in it.

I get the movie making process is complicated and constantly changing but seeing this amount of indecisiveness is not encouraging.

 

[chamber-music]

Welcome to the world of Ridley Scott! Ridley often changes his mind on the spur of the moment.

I have a feeling Covenant will be a lot more straight forward movie than Prometheus was.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

The Alien movies have never had star-studded casts. The cast of Alien were all virtual unknowns at the time, including Sigourney Weaver.

John Hurt, Ian Holm, Yaphet Koto, Harry D Stanton were not really unknown at the time, were they ?