Comics Roger Stern Interview...

I love some of his comments... "married the wrong girl" :woot: :woot: :woot:

Both Roger Stern & Marv Wolfman, arguably the 2nd & 3rd BEST writers to ever pen Amazing Spider-Man (behind Stan the Man Lee at No.1), were both very vocal against the marriage back in the 80's, and it's laughable how the people comment at the bottom of the page at how they wonder "how much money JQ paid Stern to say those things"... lol

People really need to learn their comic book history before being allowed to spew off nonsense...

I'd be really pumped if he were to come on board of the Brain Trust....

The Juggernaut, the HobGoblin, the definative Vulture origin... that man was a genius when he wrote the book.

:yay:
 
Initially, when I read his comments regarding Peter's marriage to Mary Jane, saying that she was the "wrong girl" I initially thought that Stern was one of those guys who hated the idea that Conway killed off Gwen and resented MJ "usurping" her role as Peter's "true love" and posted as such on CBR. However, Stern himself responded and said,

Roger Stern said:
"Just for the record, I never thought that Gwen was Pete's "true love," either. She was often the girl-friend-from-Hell."

In light of that, I re-read the comment again, and he realized that while he said the idea of Spider-Man getting married was possible, he did preface that by saying the character works better if he's single. So basically, as long as the Spider-Man comics are around, Peter hasn't found the right girl yet and probably never will. Likewise, I listened to an interview Stern gave on the Spider-Man crawlspace podcast in which he basically wanted MJ to be Peter ex-girlfriend who then became just a friend, even going so far as to try and set Peter up on disastrous blind dates.

Personally, I happen to disagree with Stern and that Peter and MJ do work as a couple because, when written correctly, their seemingly opposite personalities keep each other in check and make their interaction that much more interesting. Still, I could understand wanting to have Peter and MJ "just be friends" even though, as both Conway beforehand and Deflaco elaborated on, it's clear that they have feelings for each other beyond friendship and were only fooling themselves into thinking otherwise.
 
Wow, very nice interview. Stern has always been such a great Spidey writer, so I can't wait for Dember 10th. :up:
 
Good interview, it kinda hurt my feelings that Stern said that peter "married the wrong girl" but i respect the man's opinion. I suppose that at the time it happened it was probably very rushed but in the long run, the marriage worked very well because of writers who were passionate about it.Its all opinion though, i grew up on a married spiderman so naturally i want them together but i can respect the view that Spiderman works better solo.
 
Again if BND was doing so great then they wouldn't need to pull Roger Stern out of limbo for an issue. ZINGER!
 
Again if BND was doing so great then they wouldn't need to pull Roger Stern out of limbo for an issue. ZINGER!

Maybe Roger Stern had little to no interest in writing a married Spider-Man...

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:
 
Personally, I happen to disagree with Stern and that Peter and MJ do work as a couple because, when written correctly, their seemingly opposite personalities keep each other in check and make their interaction that much more interesting. Still, I could understand wanting to have Peter and MJ "just be friends" even though, as both Conway beforehand and Deflaco elaborated on, it's clear that they have feelings for each other beyond friendship and were only fooling themselves into thinking otherwise.


As much as I love stern...
I've got to admit he's been proven wrong. Fan response of the marriage should be evident enough. That's fact. Thinking other wise is biased.

I mean c'mon 20 years of being married to the "wrong" girl?

Well it certainly worked quite well if it lasted that long.

Peter Parker Spider-man can work whether he's single, in a relationship, divorced, or married, as long as he abides by that old golden rule they have seem to easily forgotten. "with great power comes great responsibility."

That's why some of us didn't drop the book through the madness that was "the other, civil war, and sins past."
 
As much as I love stern...
I've got to admit he's been proven wrong. Fan response of the marriage should be evident enough. That's fact. Thinking other wise is biased.

I mean c'mon 20 years of being married to the "wrong" girl?

Well it certainly worked quite well if it lasted that long.

The thing is, the way Stern has described his opinion on Mary Jane in that interview and elsewhere, stating that because of they were such different personalities that a long term relationship would never have worked in the long run (even going so far as to compare to Sam and Diane from Cheers) and that MJ works better as a "spoiler" and an "ex-girlfriend" who is now just good friends with Peter and not interested in him on a romantic level--he was the only person to ever write her in that manner.

Yes, she's a "spoiler" when Stan Lee wrote her, but as a rival to Gwen to compete for Peter's affections. When Conway wrote her, she was the person who tried to be a good friend to Peter after the loss of Gwen who grew more and more in love with him. Deflaco, after taking over from Stern, wrote pretty much the same way. Lein Wein, of course, wrote her as Peter's happy go-lucky girlfriend. Even when Marv Wolfman broke them up, it's still apparent that MJ has fellings for Peter. Of course, there's all those years when the two were married to each other. And even in Dan Slott's Paper Doll arc, it's clear she still loves Peter even though she's dating some other *****ebag. In short, whether she was dating Peter, married to him, or was "just a friend" she always in love with Peter.

To me, Stern's vision for MJ sounds for more suitable to Betty Brant, and Betty has been characterized that way consistently for years now. MJ, not so much.

Peter Parker Spider-man can work whether he's single, in a relationship, divorced, or married, as long as he abides by that old golden rule they have seem to easily forgotten. "with great power comes great responsibility."

That's why some of us didn't drop the book through the madness that was "the other, civil war, and sins past."

Yeah, broking a deal with Marvel's version of the devil tends to diminish that message. Not to mention makes it a bit difficult to get behind even if the current status quo is more of a "back to basics" approach and there's great talent involved.
 
Well, I don't agree with Stern on the marriage...but then again, he was never a fan of the marriage, so I knew that was coming.

That being said, I may actually pick up this issue of ASM. Lee Weeks, man. LEE WEEKS. He is the MOST underrated artist out there. He has a very clean, naturalistic style, and I'm honestly hyped to see him on the flagship Spidey book.

Also, I'm a big fan of Stern, his ASM run was my second favorite (after Stan's).

Add to that the fact that this is only a ONE ISSUE STORY, and I'm probably going to have to pick it up. It's 2.99. That's it. Not a 3-6 part story, not a prelude to an upcoming event, just a stand-alone story with great artwork...by a great Spidey writer. Even I can't say no to that, BND or not!

Of course, expect me to knock everything before and after this issue, as always!:woot:
 
As much as I love stern...
I've got to admit he's been proven wrong. Fan response of the marriage should be evident enough. That's fact. Thinking other wise is biased.

Maybe, but there is a lot of people who only speak out when theur against something and stay quiet when they enjoy something. That's the reason the internet seems negative.
 
Add to that the fact that this is only a ONE ISSUE STORY, and I'm probably going to have to pick it up. It's 2.99. That's it. Not a 3-6 part story, not a prelude to an upcoming event, just a stand-alone story with great artwork...by a great Spidey writer. Even I can't say no to that, BND or not!

According to the interview, he's got a 3 part story planned for next year... :up:
 
According to the interview, he's got a 3 part story planned for next year... :up:

I read that.

I'm just more interested in this wonderful "lightning in a bottle" situation with he and Weeks on an issue. If they made that the ASM creative team, and moved it to once a month, I'd be back in a heartbeat.
 
hmmm, I don't know, while I like stern's earlier stuff some of his other stuff hasn't been that great (dead man's hand anyone?). I worry because most of the "great classic writers" of any series or character generally don't come back onto a book with the same intensity or vision they once had. Hopefully he's got something good, but I'll say it's 50/50 between him being nearly as good to being a pretty big disappointment.

They're using him for the marriage issue right? That's smart by marvel to not use an "official" braintrust member but a legend to take some of the heat off, that said you can't make steak from crap no matter how much seasoning you use.
 
Stern returns? YES! Only for an issue? Only for an issue!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (I'm a Conan fan.)

He's the best Spidey-writer ever! Even better than Stan Lee! (IMHO.) Eventhough I disagree with him about the marriage.
 
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I liked his stories in the 80's, but that was over 20 years ago, in a time when all I wanted to read about was Spidey fighting some cool villain. Sometimes I wish that kid was still around, but he isn't :)
 
I listened to an interview Stern gave on the Spider-Man crawlspace podcast in which he basically wanted MJ to be Peter ex-girlfriend who then became just a friend, even going so far as to try and set Peter up on disastrous blind dates.
I like Stern, but this is a horrible idea.

The ex love turned "just a friend" has never been written believeably in the history of life.
 
Maybe, but there is a lot of people who only speak out when theur against something and stay quiet when they enjoy something. That's the reason the internet seems negative.

I see your point. But it has nothing to do with what I said....:huh:
I meant,

Thinking the marriage was an unsuccessful part of the Spider-man mythos is personal bias. It lasted 20 years (that's nearly half the time the web-head has been around) and it stood up against so many horrible stories that tried getting rid of it.
 
The thing is, the way Stern has described his opinion on Mary Jane in that interview and elsewhere, stating that because of they were such different personalities that a long term relationship would never have worked in the long run (even going so far as to compare to Sam and Diane from Cheers) and that MJ works better as a "spoiler" and an "ex-girlfriend" who is now just good friends with Peter and not interested in him on a romantic level--he was the only person to ever write her in that manner.

Yes, she's a "spoiler" when Stan Lee wrote her, but as a rival to Gwen to compete for Peter's affections. When Conway wrote her, she was the person who tried to be a good friend to Peter after the loss of Gwen who grew more and more in love with him. Deflaco, after taking over from Stern, wrote pretty much the same way. Lein Wein, of course, wrote her as Peter's happy go-lucky girlfriend. Even when Marv Wolfman broke them up, it's still apparent that MJ has fellings for Peter. Of course, there's all those years when the two were married to each other. And even in Dan Slott's Paper Doll arc, it's clear she still loves Peter even though she's dating some other *****ebag. In short, whether she was dating Peter, married to him, or was "just a friend" she always in love with Peter.

To me, Stern's vision for MJ sounds for more suitable to Betty Brant, and Betty has been characterized that way consistently for years now. MJ, not so much.



Yeah, broking a deal with Marvel's version of the devil tends to diminish that message. Not to mention makes it a bit difficult to get behind even if the current status quo is more of a "back to basics" approach and there's great talent involved.

Yup you got it.
Having Mj come back as a pimp wouldn't work within the context of these characters. She probably would have ended up as a throw away character instead. Now they have to answer the question "Why can these two stay together as if married, even though they don't belong together."

I can't wait to see the reason why they didn't get married but decided to live together as a married couple....you know actually I think I can. :whatever:
 
I like Stern, but this is a horrible idea.

The ex love turned "just a friend" has never been written believeably in the history of life.

What about Elaine on Seinfeld?

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:cwink:
 
I love some of his comments... "married the wrong girl" :woot: :woot: :woot:

Both Roger Stern & Marv Wolfman, arguably the 2nd & 3rd BEST writers to ever pen Amazing Spider-Man (behind Stan the Man Lee at No.1), were both very vocal against the marriage back in the 80's, and it's laughable how the people comment at the bottom of the page at how they wonder "how much money JQ paid Stern to say those things"... lol
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Meh. I just can't help but wonder at what point in time the character of Mary Jane started to get treated like she had leprosey.

Sad.
 
Meh. I just can't help but wonder at what point in time the character of Mary Jane started to get treated like she had leprosey.

Sad.

I just think that Marvel simply did not want them married...

Yet everybody says "They should have killed her off Gwen-style", but in my opinion, she's an important member of Peter's supportive cast who has been around nearly as long as Flash, JJJ, Betty Brant & Joe Robertson...

After Marv Wolfman made her go away (for 5 years our time), Roger Stern brought her back to be an important friend in Peter's life... go back and re-read those issues... she didn't come back to be lovers (even though they are friends who "love" each other), and she was pretty much secured into that role as a female best friend until Marvel wanted to cash in on Stan's "I'm going to marry them in my strip" idea, and then forced the proposal on us...

I think Marvel sees the importance of a Mary Jane Watson character in the Marvel Universe... she'll be back on ASM and we're going to see her in that cool Models mini which are showcasing Marvel's "really" old characters... :up:

Cheer up Cap...

:yay:
 
Okay, that's kinda one.

But they didn't really date for that long (if at all, I can't remember) on the show.

I'll give you half a point :cwink:

I think the show started with them "after" the break up, but still wanting to be friends...
I don't think the length of their dating relationship was ever established.

The first season has a bunch of episodes where they're dealing with the "awkwardness" of still being friends after dating...

:yay:
 
I'll be honest even though i've always loved the marriage i've also always been rooting for Felicia Hardy/Black Cat. Her chemistry with Spiderman/peter parker has always been awesome and i would love to see them hook up again...plus she's hotter than MJ. lool
 

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