Comics Roger Stern Interview...

[moraldeficiency]

I've also been a big fan of felicia. I wouldn't mind seeing that, but only after pete has to deal with a consequence for making deals with the devil which should result in May's death.

 

[carnageehw]

I think the show started with them "after" the break up, but still wanting to be friends...
I don't think the length of their dating relationship was ever established.

The first season has a bunch of episodes where they're dealing with the "awkwardness" of still being friends after dating...

Okay, I thought so.

That's only half a point for sure then

 

[farmernudie]

I agree that if they are going to continue with a world created by a deal with the devil...then Marvel needs to explore THAT deal. (not reboot the deal and make things even cheesier with this whole embarressing out of character reboot)

And NO...As Joe has stated and pointed out loudly...Harry coming back alive is NOT a horrible ramification of "Dealing with the devil"...charcters come back to life all the stinkin time!! Not just when a "hero" deals witht he devil. (and WHY the devil is be-bopping around making elderly ladies live longer in exchange for marriages, to begin with, makes sense?...i would never know.)

So...follow up with this then Marvel. Follow thru with the stupidity you created to FORCE away a marriage in an editorial agenda. I dare you!

What is Pete's eternal punishment and what HORRIBLE things will go wrong constantly for be so dumb to deal with the devil??

Will AUnt May find out she is alive thanks to satan? WIll she hate her nephew from here on out? That could create a whole new dynamic we've never seen or read! Follow thru logically somwhere MArvel! I dare you!

I'd have at least SOME respect for the alternate history spidey man-boy if you wrote something logical that followed thru with what you've done!

And please...show at least ONE person on the planet cares that their memories are swiss cheesed, jumbled, NOT ALL THERE.

Why is everyone OBLIVIOUS????

And no more insulting us thru interviews! WE ARE CUSTOMERS!!!!
(sorry...end rant...)

 

[shinlyle]

I've also been a big fan of felicia. I wouldn't mind seeing that, but only after pete has to deal with a consequence for making deals with the devil which should result in May's death.

I'm right there with you on that one, man.

If the marriage is gone, never to return, then at LEAST force Peter to have some ramifications for so callously dealing with the devil. Aunt May dying, Being unmasked again (even if I would hate it), or have something equally bad happen. Something to balance the scales a little. Then we'll talk.

 

[Styleshift]

What about Elaine on Seinfeld?

I'd like to think of Smallville as a better comparison.

Clark and Lana had feelings for each other since the beginning of the series.

They ended up living together in a civil union. Having a sexual relationship. (Much like Spidey has had now.)

Now that they aren't together, shes kind of cold to him. Their is this tension.

but that show doesn't make sense half the time anyway....

The wonder years would almost be a perfect comparison except for the fact that Kevin and Winnie were never near each other at the end. Had that happened they probably would have married and divorced by a deal with satan....Just kidding. lol

This whole "they were just living together" idea doesn't fit within the context of their characters. I'm sure once we reach issue 600 we'll get another "out of character" storyline.

 

[Styleshift]

I just think that Marvel simply did not want them married...

See that's why I often misunderstand Marvel.
Mj is the main love interest for Spidey in any (current media) for Spider-man out there. They go to such great lengths to saying "ok these two belong together" that it becomes near impossible to sucessfully portray these characters as anything less than a couple.

The Spectacular Spider-man (that hip new toon) is breaking away from that and telling it as it should be told with Gwen starting as the main interest.

The Spider-man movies have always had Mj as the main girl. They even took it to such great lengths to say he's loved her since he was in kindergarten.

They've played those two up as the greatest couple since Superman and Lois.
So whats the deal with getting rid of the marriage?

All they've done so far was make attempts at re-telling stories we've seen before.

 

[stillanerd]

See that's why I often misunderstand Marvel.
Mj is the main love interest for Spidey in any (current media) for Spider-man out there. They go to such great lengths to saying "ok these two belong together" that it becomes near impossible to sucessfully portray these characters as anything less than a couple.

The Spectacular Spider-man (that hip new toon) is breaking away from that and telling it as it should be told with Gwen starting as the main interest.

The Spider-man movies have always had Mj as the main girl. They even took it to such great lengths to say he's loved her since he was in kindergarten.

They've played those two up as the greatest couple since Superman and Lois.
So whats the deal with getting rid of the marriage?

All they've done so far was make attempts at re-telling stories we've seen before.

But even though Gwen is the main love interest in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, how much you want to bet Mary Jane won't start developing feelings that are more than just friendship for Peter by the time season 2 of the show rolls around?

And yes, despite all the attempts to break up Peter and MJ's marriage, Marvel has actively promoted MJ as "Spidey's girl" for years in various other media as you've said, including in other comic books. Not to mention when you've got an episode of Family Guy with Peter Griffin in a Spider-Man costume leaping towards Lois saying "I'll save you Mary Jane!" and Weird Al Yankovic doing a parody of Billy Joel's "Piano Man" about the first Spider-Man movie, you've pretty much past the point of no return in having the general public believe MJ is Spidey's one true love. t:

 

[Styleshift]

And NO...As Joe has stated and pointed out loudly...Harry coming back alive is NOT a horrible ramification of "Dealing with the devil"...charcters come back to life all the stinkin time!! Not just when a "hero" deals witht he devil. (and WHY the devil is be-bopping around making elderly ladies live longer in exchange for marriages, to begin with, makes sense?...i would never know.)

I honestly don't think they think we're idiots. They knew the risk....
I just want to know why would Joe Q. make such a dumb move with the FLAGSHIP character..

The man has had such a GREAT run with marvel....and than he screws over every Spidey fan by drawing and writing "One More Day."

So this is the man who thus far has said

• Gwen and Norman should have had an affair.
• Lets stretch the other to 12 parts and add Peter David and Reginald Hudlin to the pot.
• Lets make Spidey a fanboy instead of a superhero during civil war, than lets have him unmask.
• Lets make him wear his black costume during the movie release, even if it hurts continuity.
• Lets have Spidey make a deal with the devil to fix all of the above problems.

When you have a string of bad stories....and top it off with a character like Spidey making deals with the devil I think it's apparent you should not be in the creative process.

But even though Gwen is the main love interest in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, how much you want to bet Mary Jane won't start developing feelings that are more than just friendship for Peter by the time season 2 of the show rolls around?

And yes, despite all the attempts to break up Peter and MJ's marriage, Marvel has actively promoted MJ as "Spidey's girl" for years in various other media as you've said, including in other comic books. Not to mention when you've got an episode of Family Guy with Peter Griffin in a Spider-Man costume leaping towards Lois saying "I'll save you Mary Jane!" and Weird Al Yankovic doing a parody of Billy Joel's "Piano Man" about the first Spider-Man movie, you've pretty much past the point of no return in having the general public believe MJ is Spidey's one true love.

your right....and even than he's high school Peter. He's not 25-28 year old Peter.
They are telling it as it should be told. Thats one thing I don't like about the movies. I don't think Mj sucessfully grew into a "respectable" love interest as she did in the comics.

I can't stand Lois or Lana or Vicki Vale. But they've done it right with Mj.

 

[USMC]

I honestly don't think they think we're idiots. They knew the risk....
I just want to know why would Joe Q. make such a dumb move with the FLAGSHIP character..

The man has had such a GREAT run with marvel....and than he screws over every Spidey fan by drawing and writing "One More Day."

So this is the man who thus far has said

• Gwen and Norman should have had an affair.
• Lets stretch the other to 12 parts and add Peter David and Reginald Hudlin to the pot.
• Lets make Spidey a fanboy instead of a superhero during civil war, than lets have him unmask.
• Lets make him wear his black costume during the movie release, even if it hurts continuity.
• Lets have Spidey make a deal with the devil to fix all of the above problems.

When you have a string of bad stories....and top it off with a character like Spidey making deals with the devil I think it's apparent you should not be in the creative process.

You made the point clear, though, SS... I don't believe he has one creative bone in his body when it comes to the Web-Head.

But all of these stories, while most of them critically panned, MADE MONEY.

And that is all Marvel EVER cares about...

 

[kguillou]

You know i wonder because of OMD, will we no longer see MJ as Peter's love interest in the cartoons or the movies from now on? Will the media outlets follow the comic's lead and keep spiderman single forever?

 

[Themanofbat]

It's hard to say... Roger Stern made some good points on how Mary Jane could be a good long time supporting "friend", and of course, the sexual tension between them will always be there, so there will no doubt be stories where they "tease" one another, perhaps even date again, and maybe date again for the long term... it's hard to say what's in store... but I DO believe that Marvel thinks of the Mary Jane Watson character as an IMPOPTANT one that belongs in the Spidey books, and even in the Marvel Universe... which is why she'll be in the upcoming Models Inc. mini... with other major Marvel players (ok... Patsy Walker is the only one... Millie had a good 30 year run at Marvel, but nobody remembers her... )

 

[Styleshift]

You made the point clear, though, SS... I don't believe he has one creative bone in his body when it comes to the Web-Head.

But all of these stories, while most of them critically panned, MADE MONEY.

And that is all Marvel EVER cares about...

Heh all these "great points" and at the end of the day I'm still categorized as an angry fanboy.

It's hard to say... Roger Stern made some good points on how Mary Jane could be a good long time supporting "friend", and of course, the sexual tension between them will always be there, so there will no doubt be stories where they "tease" one another, perhaps even date again, and maybe date again for the long term... it's hard to say what's in store... but I DO believe that Marvel thinks of the Mary Jane Watson character as an IMPOPTANT one that belongs in the Spidey books, and even in the Marvel Universe... which is why she'll be in the upcoming Models Inc. mini... with other major Marvel players (ok... Patsy Walker is the only one... Millie had a good 30 year run at Marvel, but nobody remembers her... )

Than we're just going to run into the same loop of them breaking up and getting together....Not fun. I wanted to shoot myself while watching smallville sometimes...
It's going to become predictable...and fast. you can only play that trick with two people but so many times.

 

[USMC]

It's hard to say... Roger Stern made some good points on how Mary Jane could be a good long time supporting "friend", and of course, the sexual tension between them will always be there, so there will no doubt be stories where they "tease" one another, perhaps even date again, and maybe date again for the long term... it's hard to say what's in store... but I DO believe that Marvel thinks of the Mary Jane Watson character as an IMPOPTANT one that belongs in the Spidey books, and even in the Marvel Universe... which is why she'll be in the upcoming Models Inc. mini... with other major Marvel players (ok... Patsy Walker is the only one... Millie had a good 30 year run at Marvel, but nobody remembers her... )

Joe Q won't be EIC forever. Just like Stan Lee is no longer the decision maker. Or Jim Shooter, or Tom DeFalco, or Bob Harras...

I'd never get complacent enough to imagine that this (IMO) debacle of Spider-Man lore will last forever. All it's going to take is someone new at the reins with a different vision of what the Spider-Man books should be.

 

[Themanofbat]

Joe Q won't be EIC forever. Just like Stan Lee is no longer the decision maker. Or Jim Shooter, or Tom DeFalco, or Bob Harras...

I'd never get complacent enough to imagine that this (IMO) debacle of Spider-Man lore will last forever. All it's going to take is someone new at the reins with a different vision of what the Spider-Man books should be.

No doubt about that... but I doubt we'll see Marvel Comics Inc. bring back a married Peter Parker... they don't want that... at best, we'll see them "living together" again...

 

[USMC]

No doubt about that... but I doubt we'll see Marvel Comics Inc. bring back a married Peter Parker... they don't want that... at best, we'll see them "living together" again...

Not if Sam Raimi marries them in Spider-Man 4.

 

[farmernudie]

Who wants to see MJ date Peter or tease him as a potential girlfriend when she is already his wife, but for satan???

I mean, that is major regression.

And, they said they can't write relationships, so why take this horrible MJ character whom they can't write...away, just to put her BACK there and tease us so nothing can happen when it already has??

I wouldn't give my wife to the devil, so i could date her again maybe. I dunno...the whole thing is so dumb now..the WAY they did it.

 

[Styleshift]

Who wants to see MJ date Peter or tease him as a potential girlfriend when she is already his wife, but for satan???

I mean, that is major regression.

And, they said they can't write relationships, so why take this horrible MJ character whom they can't write...away, just to put her BACK there and tease us so nothing can happen when it already has??

I wouldn't give my wife to the devil, so i could date her again maybe. I dunno...the whole thing is so dumb now..the WAY they did it.

and thats why this reboot won't last....

In theory it is logical to assume you can never surpass something your trying to emulate.

and the stories have just not been as good as the real silver age.

Thats why DD, X-men, Batman and all the other major books that have moved beyond the characters (golden era) are doing so successful right now.

 

[Themanofbat]

I wouldn't give my wife to the devil, so i could date her again maybe. I dunno...the whole thing is so dumb now..the WAY they did it.

You're not Spider-Man neither...

 

[Styleshift]

You're not Spider-Man neither...

Your right....he's not a creepy loser.

 

[Miken Ayers]

You made the point clear, though, SS... I don't believe he has one creative bone in his body when it comes to the Web-Head.

But all of these stories, while most of them critically panned, MADE MONEY.

And that is all Marvel EVER cares about...

Well Marvel's a business, and for any business to function that should always be your top priority. Not only a business needs profits to function, but they have things like employees and stockholders that need said money to live.

However even though Spider-Man's making money right now it probably could be making more money if they didn't do this massively regressive retcon that only appeals to a handful of people. Tom Brevoort says they have longterm financial plans whereas new fans will replace the old ones, however new fans are next to nonexistant compared to the people they THOUGHT they could replace.

So if you have a problem with Spider-Man do your part to hit them in the wallet.

 

[USMC]

Well Marvel's a business, and for any business to function that should always be your top priority. Not only a business needs profits to function, but they have things like employees and stockholders that need said money to live.

However even though Spider-Man's making money right now it probably could be making more money if they didn't do this massively regressive retcon that only appeals to a handful of people. Tom Brevoort says they have longterm financial plans whereas new fans will replace the old ones, however new fans are next to nonexistant compared to the people they THOUGHT they could replace.

So if you have a problem with Spider-Man do your part to hit them in the wallet.

I've done my part! t:

 

[farmernudie]

Thank you styleshift for defending me. t: I try not to be creepy! ha

(sad thing is, for a person i've always emulated, i am CURRENTLY happy to not be anything like Peter PArker!)

I'd be downright ASHAMED if i did any of this to my elderly aunt (Whom i love) or to my wife! Or the entire planet, for that matter.Sheesh.

Or if I gave up my medical field nursing job to drive a taxi. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[Cosmic]

The 3rd best writer on ASM ever (in my opinion) speaks about his upcoming ASM issue...

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/120801-Rog-Stern.html

Nice interview! His thoughts on the marriage are quite refreshing to hear. Spider-Man is in good hands with Roger Stern. I'll be picking this up for the first time in ages.

 

[Styleshift]

Thank you styleshift for defending me. t: I try not to be creepy! ha

(sad thing is, for a person i've always emulated, i am CURRENTLY happy to not be anything like Peter PArker!)

I'd be downright ASHAMED if i did any of this to my elderly aunt (Whom i love) or to my wife! Or the entire planet, for that matter.Sheesh.

Or if I gave up my medical field nursing job to drive a taxi. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

No problem...I saw an opening that screamed "Take it!" so...I did. t:

You know it's funny. Brand New Day and One More Day are one and the same. You can't have one without the other...
Some writers are backing up the "single" Spider-man thing.

but virtually NO WRITER has backed up OMD and said it was a necessity.

 

[shinlyle]

Well Marvel's a business, and for any business to function that should always be your top priority. Not only a business needs profits to function, but they have things like employees and stockholders that need said money to live.

However even though Spider-Man's making money right now it probably could be making more money if they didn't do this massively regressive retcon that only appeals to a handful of people. Tom Brevoort says they have longterm financial plans whereas new fans will replace the old ones, however new fans are next to nonexistant compared to the people they THOUGHT they could replace.

So if you have a problem with Spider-Man do your part to hit them in the wallet.

Heh....I just did a little quick math, and, if you figure I haven't bought any ASM since the last part off "One More Day", that's nearly 36 issue, plus an annual and whatever mini-series I probably would have bought. Just not buying ASM alone has saved me $114.62. Now, if there are 9 more people on this board who have quit buying ASM for the full year, then they've lost over a thousand dollars right there.

Now, imagine if they'd kept the marriage, given us these A-list creative teams, and given three of these teams a Spidey ongoing...or even did the ASM 3X deal. I'd recommend it to everyone, as opposed to telling people to stay away.

Of course, Marvel's supposedly thinking "long-term", and many people will wander back to Spidey if they don't find another book to fill the gap (READ INVINCIBLE!!).