World Ruby Spears Superman series coming to DVD!

[theMan-Bat]

but that's just window dressing. It was clearly based on the Superman-as-the-real-persona-Clark-Kent-is-da-act dynamic.

As clearly seen in the Superman Family Album segments that chronicles Clark Kent on Smallville -- he's been Clark Kent since he was a baby. Clark is what Ma and Pa named him, Smallville Clark is the real person and as in Byrne's Man of Steel #1 he creates the new Clark Kent with glasses, his hair slickered back and stoops a tad and becomes a reporter. The point of him becoming a reporter is to know where he is needed and he created the Superman identity with the costume so that he can help people and people wont realize he has more than one identity so his friends and family wont be attacked by his enemies.

 

[epc11223]

superman in the ruby spears cartoon is very much the main character. his clark kent when he's with lois and the people at the planet is the disguise. his superman/clark kent when he was with pa and ma are his true self. this was very much an amalgam of the superman movies and john byrne, but much more like the superman movies with christopher reeve, where clark kent was the disguise and superman was the person.

 

[theMan-Bat]

superman in the ruby spears cartoon is very much the main character. his clark kent when he's with lois and the people at the planet is the disguise. his superman/clark kent when he was with pa and ma are his true self. this was very much an amalgam of the superman movies and john byrne, but much more like the superman movies with christopher reeve, where clark kent was the disguise and superman was the person.

To say Superman was the person, and Clark Kent was only a disguise, is to completely miss the point and the Family Album half of the series. Superman was a recent addition to Clark's life. Farmboy Clark was who he was at heart, courtesy of his upbringing. He was around 25 before he adopted the Superman identity. He never was Superboy in the Ruby Spears series. In the Ruby Spears series it's much more like the John Byrne/Marv Wolfman comics. In the John Byrne/Marv Wolfman comics farmboy Clark Kent is his completely true self and the new Clark Kent with glasses, his hair slickered back and stoops a tad is a disguise but he is not a bumbling, clumsy buffoon like Christopher Reeve's was. In the Ruby Spears series the glasses wearing Daily Planet Clark Kent was not the bumbling buffoon Clark Kent Christopher Reeve's was. Instead he was like the Fleischer/George Reeves/John Byrne/Marv Wolfman Clark Kent, which wasn't the clown-like caricature we saw in the Christopher Reeve movies. Reeve was playing the clumsy Clark.

 

[epc11223]

To say Superman was the person, and Clark Kent was only a disguise, is to completely miss the point and the Family Album half of the series. Superman was a recent addition to Clark's life. Farmboy Clark was who he was at heart, courtesy of his upbringing. He was around 25 before he adopted the Superman identity. He never was Superboy in the Ruby Spears series. In the Ruby Spears series it's much more like the John Byrne/Marv Wolfman comics. In the John Byrne/Marv Wolfman comics farmboy Clark Kent is his completely true self and the new Clark Kent with glasses, his hair slickered back and stoops a tad is a disguise but he is not a bumbling, clumsy buffoon like Christopher Reeve's was. In the Ruby Spears series the glasses wearing Daily Planet Clark Kent was not the bumbling buffoon Clark Kent Christopher Reeve's was. Instead he was like the Fleischer/George Reeves/John Byrne/Marv Wolfman Clark Kent, which wasn't the clown-like caricature we saw in the Christopher Reeve movies. Reeve was playing the clumsy Clark.

his superman is how clark was raised on the farm and i disagree with you, his clark kent was very much the bumbling. his voice was also given a higher pitch to sound different than superman. you're right, there was no superboy in this version, but the donner films also didnt have a superboy. john byrne wasn't the original for not having a superboy included in the mythology. may not have been as bumbling as christopher reeve's version, but he wasn't the cool guy like john byrne's version. i'd definitely say that this version was trying to be a combination of the past incarnations as it was a show to celebrate his 50th anniversary. regardless though, his superman was the one that was raised by his parents and clark was still the disguise, which was my original point. in superman returns, you have clark on the farm, clark at the planet, and superman. the clark on the farm is pretty much superman where neither of those are the disguise. whereas clark at the planet, i feel is the only disguise. at least for the superman movies and the ruby spears cartoon. lois and clark, it was clark as the person and superman was the disguise. the george reeves show and superman animated were similar in that both clark and superman really didn't act all that differently and tom wellings version is a wait and see. but this is all just how you interpret it, so there really is no one thats right or wrong.

 

[theMan-Bat]

his superman is how clark was raised on the farm and i disagree with you, his clark kent was very much the bumbling. his voice was also given a higher pitch to sound different than superman. you're right, there was no superboy in this version, but the donner films also didnt have a superboy. john byrne wasn't the original for not having a superboy included in the mythology. may not have been as bumbling as christopher reeve's version, but he wasn't the cool guy like john byrne's version. i'd definitely say that this version was trying to be a combination of the past incarnations as it was a show to celebrate his 50th anniversary. regardless though, his superman was the one that was raised by his parents and clark was still the disguise, which was my original point. in superman returns, you have clark on the farm, clark at the planet, and superman. the clark on the farm is pretty much superman where neither of those are the disguise. whereas clark at the planet, i feel is the only disguise. at least for the superman movies and the ruby spears cartoon. lois and clark, it was clark as the person and superman was the disguise. the george reeves show and superman animated were similar in that both clark and superman really didn't act all that differently and tom wellings version is a wait and see. but this is all just how you interpret it, so there really is no one thats right or wrong.

Clark wasn't raised as a Kryptonian superhero in red and blue tights called Superman/Kal-El. Ma and Pa and Clark didn’t even know he was from Krypton. Clark was raised as a human farmboy in ordinary clothes called Clark. His personality, his wholesome farm-boy outlook and worldview had been shaped thinking of himself as human, with strange abilities, but still a farmboy named Clark Kent, whose identity was solidly formed by his folksy human Kansas parents' values, without any desire to return to Krypton. It makes sense for him to feel human and think of himself as Clark from the farm at heart because of his upbringing, not as a Kryptonian alien Superman/Kal-El. Farmboy Clark is who he is, at heart, courtesy of his upbring. Clark didn't even know of his Kryptonian heritage as he was raised assimilated into Earths Kansas farm culture as a baby. So he wouldn't see Earth from an immigrant perspective or an orphan perspective. He grew up in a very loving household raised by two Earthlings that were parents in every conceivable way. He would actually have a problem trying to understand what being Kryptonian is all about. All he has really known his entire life is Earthlings and Earth culture. Farmboy Clark was the one that was raised by his parents and the glasses wearing Daily Planet Clark was the disguise and in Byrne's Man of Steel farmboy Clark creates the new Clark Kent, which is the Daily Planet Clark, with glasses and his hair slicked back and he stoops a tad, which is a disguise. Farmboy Clark is who he is at heart and Clark created the Superman identity and the new Clark Kent disguise. Farmboy Clark was the "real" person at heart and the Superman identity was a red and blue uniform, a title, a job, a duty, a responsibility. As in the Fleischer series, the disguised Daily Planet Clark Kent in the Rudy Spears series spoke with a higher voice to sound different than Superman but he wasn't a bumbling, clumsy buffoon like Christopher Reeve's. Byrne's Daily Planet Clark Kent was not viewed as a cool guy, Lois generally disliked him. I agree that the Ruby Spears series was definitely trying to be a combination of the past and 1988 present by combining the opening from the George Reeves TV show 'Look! Up in the sky!' etc. with the John Williams Superman movie score and the Byrne/Wolfman corrupt billionaire Luthor, etc.

 

[Young Superman]

Clark wasn't raised as a Kryptonian superhero in red and blue tights called Superman/Kal-El. Ma and Pa and Clark didn’t even know he was from Krypton. Clark was raised as a human farmboy in ordinary clothes called Clark. His personality, his wholesome farm-boy outlook and worldview had been shaped thinking of himself as human, with strange abilities, but still a farmboy named Clark Kent, whose identity was solidly formed by his folksy human Kansas parents' values, without any desire to return to Krypton. It makes sense for him to feel human and think of himself as Clark from the farm at heart because of his upbringing, not as a Kryptonian alien Superman/Kal-El. Farmboy Clark is who he is, at heart, courtesy of his upbring. Clark didn't even know of his Kryptonian heritage as he was raised assimilated into Earths Kansas farm culture as a baby. So he wouldn't see Earth from an immigrant perspective or an orphan perspective. He grew up in a very loving household raised by two Earthlings that were parents in every conceivable way. He would actually have a problem trying to understand what being Kryptonian is all about. All he has really known his entire life is Earthlings and Earth culture. Farmboy Clark was the one that was raised by his parents and the glasses wearing Daily Planet Clark was the disguise and in Byrne's Man of Steel farmboy Clark creates the new Clark Kent, which is the Daily Planet Clark, with glasses and his hair slicked back and he stoops a tad, which is a disguise. Farmboy Clark is who he is at heart and Clark created the Superman identity and the new Clark Kent disguise. Farmboy Clark was the "real" person at heart and the Superman identity was a red and blue uniform, a title, a job, a duty, a responsibility. As in the Fleischer series, the disguised Daily Planet Clark Kent in the Rudy Spears series spoke with a higher voice to sound different than Superman but he wasn't a bumbling, clumsy buffoon like Christopher Reeve's. Byrne's Daily Planet Clark Kent was not viewed as a cool guy, Lois generally disliked him. I agree that the Ruby Spears series was definitely trying to be a combination of the past and 1988 present by combining the opening from the George Reeves TV show 'Look! Up in the sky!' etc. with the John Williams Superman movie score and the Byrne/Wolfman corrupt billionaire Luthor, etc.

Agreed theMan-Bat

 

[epc11223]

i found this over at wikipedia:

"In the Superman: The Animated Series of the late 1990s, Kent is based on John Byrne's version of him, becoming more assertive and intelligent. He is also considered to be the real person, with Superman the "alter ego", though Kent often appears less in most episodes"


and this from amazon:

Premiering on CBS in 1988 to coincide with the 50th anniversary of Superman, this Joseph Ruby and Kenneth Spears (Ruby-Spears) produced cartoon series marked the first time that elements of the Christopher Reeve Superman movies and the post-Crisis Superman were combined onscreen. Veteran comic book writer Marv Wolfman acted as the lead story editor for the series and helped transform Lex Luthor from the mad scientist featured in the Superfriends cartoons to the billionaire industrialist found in the 1986 John Byrne penned Man of Steel revamp.



this cartoon tried to be an amalgamation of a lot of different superman's. if you watch the episode BY THE SKIN OF THE DRAGON'S TEETH- Superman unwittingly aids Luthor find a treasure in China.

this episode has a lot of elements that i've been talking about, but mostly that clark kent does some bumbling, which is very similar to christopher reeve version. this clark was similar to byrne's, but at the time dc was restarting their universe and was trying to make a christopher reeve version of superman. not to the extent with secret origins where gary frank draws superman/clark almost exactly looking like reeve, but still, the superman movies were the popular at the time. just like birthright was similar to some elements of smallville.

 

[theMan-Bat]

Again I agree that the Ruby Spears series was definitely trying to be a combination of the past and 1988 present by combining the opening from the George Reeves TV show 'Look! Up in the sky!' etc. with the John Williams Superman movie score and the Byrne/Wolfman corrupt billionaire Luthor, etc.
And the Daily Planet Clark Kent in the Rudy Spears series was not a bumbling, clumsy buffoon like Christopher Reeve's. Instead he was like the Fleischer/George Reeves/John Byrne/Marv Wolfman Clark Kent, which wasn't the clown-like caricature we saw in the Christopher Reeve movies. Byrne's Superman was a combination of Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster's original, the Fleischer's cartoon series, George Reeves in the Adventures of Superman and partially Christopher Reeve as a visual model.

 

[epc11223]

we're going to have to just agree to disagree on some of these points. the clark kent from the superman animated series reminds me much more of george reeves portrayal, whereas the ruby spears clark kent reminds me of christopher reeve's portrayal. obviously not exactly, but there are more elements than i think you realize. i definitely suggest that you watch the episode that i recommended in my previous post. the one with the dragon's teeth is almost exactly like reeve's.

 

[theMan-Bat]

Like you say, we're going to have to agree to disagree on which version the Ruby Spears Daily Planet Clark Kent's closer to. The Daily Planet Clark Kent in the Ruby Spears series reminds you of Christopher Reeve's bumbling nasally voiced Clark. The Daily Planet Clark Kent in the Ruby Spears series reminds me particularly of the more confident version in the Fleischer's series with the voice by Bud Collyer which is a mellow tenor as mild-mannered reporter Clark Kent and changed to a powerful deep baritone as Superman.

 

[Fresh Prince]

This is what Superman Returns should of been like and based off of.

 

[Young Superman]

Agreed

 

[Fresh Prince]

Have in the movie in the beginning a short sequence of him surviving kyrpton, then as a teen on Smallville and finally young adult...Hated the movie was a sequel to Superman 2, should of been a stand alone film.