Rumor: New SSX game being developed

[Wolfwood]

There could be some comical over the topness still....hopefully....

 

[Havok83]

Everything's getting a gritty reboot, wtf.

SSX
Tomb Raider
Devil May Cry

Whats next?

 

[MadVillainy]

well Devil May Cry and Tomb Raider were dark from the beginning not SSX

 

[Watchman]

SSX
Tomb Raider
Devil May Cry

Whats next?

Everything Nintendo.

 

[KALEL114]

well Devil May Cry and Tomb Raider were dark from the beginning not SSX

I think he meant reboots in general. It seems to be the thing to do these days.

 

[Havok83]

well Devil May Cry and Tomb Raider were dark from the beginning not SSX

The new Dante is most definetly grittier than the older one, at least from his appearance. What's been revealed of the new TR is expected to be grittier and more realistic than Lara's previous adventures

 

[Tron Bonne]

well Devil May Cry and Tomb Raider were dark from the beginning not SSX

Depends on your definition of 'dark', I suppose, but I wouldn't call either of those franchises all that dark, at least in their beginning. DMC had the satanic imagery and all that stuff, but it was pretty heavily stylized and fairly goofy. TR was pretty much straight up fun adventure in the beginning, don't see how anything in the first couple of that franchise can be seen as dark at first

 

[MadVillainy]

The new Dante is most definetly grittier than the older one, at least from his appearance. What's been revealed of the new TR is expected to be grittier and more realistic than Lara's previous adventures

Ok....
but as I said those 2 series were dark or at least not goofy from the beginning. It's not like they took a goofy series and made it gritty like the new SSX

 

[Tron Bonne]

Ok....
but as I said those 2 series were dark or at least not goofy from the beginning. It's not like they took a goofy series and made it gritty like the new SSX

Same principle, though. They took something that wasn't all that gritty and added grit to it, even if they weren't an out and out goof-fest in the beginning (though DMC was always pretty tongue-in-cheek). It's not that huge of a leap to make.

 

[MadVillainy]

I dont think they're completely the same.
SSX rated E and was goofy. Devil May Cry was rated M since the first game for Blood, language, etc. Even if it was tongue in cheek it was rated M making the reboot grittier isnt as bad since DMC was already at least somewhat gritty from the start
I cant speak on the Tomb Raider game since all I know is that one picture that was released

It is different to add gritty elements to something that was already mature then to add gritty elements to something with no traces of maturity like SSX'

and I dont really care if Tomb Raider and DmC are grittier or not as long as theyre good

 

[Tron Bonne]

It's not the same. SSX rated E and was goofy. Devil May Cry was rated M since the first game for Blood, language, etc. Even if it was tongue in cheek it was rated M making the reboot grittier isnt as bad since DMC was already at least somewhat gritty from the start
I cant speak on the Tomb Raider game since all I know is that one picture that was released

It is different to add gritty elements to something that was already mature then to add gritty elements to something with no traces of maturity like SSX

Eh, have you played DMC? Gritty is kind of a stretch for those. Unless you considered just having all that type of imagery gritty, which yeah, I guess....

But anyway, it's really not that big of a difference between the three situations. It's usually done for the same reasons, same kind of stuff applied, and is rarely done very well (though it's not an impossibility, sometimes it can work out). Personally, it's as bad to me, especially if it backfires and/or does disjustice to the franchise.

and I dont really care if theyre grittier or not as long as theyre good

Well, okay, then why'd you bother to say anything about this if it doesn't matter to you

 

[MadVillainy]

...Ok I said I shouldve said I dont mind DMC and Tomb Raider being grittier because as I said in last page I dont like that the humor is removed in SSX


and yes Devil May Cry is somewhat gritty. I didnt say very gritty on like Gears of War levels. But it does have some grit to it

There's a reason why making grittier reboots to DMC and Tomb Raider isnt as negatively received as making SSX grittier.

 

[Tron Bonne]

...Ok I said I shouldve said I dont mind DMC and Tomb Raider being grittier because as I said in last page I dont like that the humor is removed in SSX

Um, okay. I think it's just kind of strange to refer to either of these pre-reboot as dark or gritty that made us question you, since I don't think either have really been considered that.

and yes Devil May Cry is somewhat gritty. I didnt say very gritty on like Gears of War levels. But it does have some grit to it

Really? Well, okay, I guess. Honestly, I never would have thought to call the series gritty at all.

There's a reason why making grittier reboots to DMC and Tomb Raider isnt as negatively received as making SSX grittier.

Well, I don't know about that. The reaction to the first DmC trailer was pretty mixed. And, generally, I don't think anyone cared enough about TR to be angry.

But, yes, I think we can all agree that it sucks for SSX, if this be the route they plan to take.

 

[MadVillainy]

Um, okay. I think it's just kind of strange to refer to either of these pre-reboot as dark or gritty that made us question you, since I don't think either have really been considered that.

DMC and Tomb Raider arent the darkest stories out there but yes they have some darkness/grit to them that's why Im saying adding grit/darkness to them is different than adding darkness/grit to something like SSX which basically is a comedy

Well I think all of the hate of DmC is Dante's look. The fact that is more gritty doesnt seem to get alot of hate

 

[Tron Bonne]

DMC and Tomb Raider arent the darkest stories out there but yes they have some darkness/grit to them that's why Im saying adding grit/darkness to them is different than adding darkness/grit to something like SSX

Just out of curiosity, how familiar are with these games? I've played all the DMC stuff, and some of the TR stuff, and I just can't say any of it has come off gritty to me. Maybe some of the middle ground TR stuff that came out in the early PS2 years, but...besides that, not really. The only thing I could see as gritty in either is some of the imagery, which I guess you can call that gritty, but when everything around it isn't gritty at all...well, I don't know.

Well I think all of the hate of DmC is Dante's look. The fact that is more gritty doesnt seem to get alot of hate

Nah, it's a little of both. The new grunge-ish look was what people zoomed in on, but it got a good share of flack for its rather humorless and 'THE BEAST WITHIN!' presentation. Of course, they may retain some of camp and fun that in the actual game, but that first trailer was definitely "Gritty it up 101".

 

[MadVillainy]

Just out of curiosity, how familiar are with these games? I've played all the DMC stuff, and some of the TR stuff, and I just can't say any of it has come off gritty to me. Maybe some of the middle ground TR stuff that came out in the early PS2 years, but...besides that, not really. The only thing I could see as gritty in either is some of the imagery, which I guess you can call that gritty, but when everything around it isn't gritty at all...well, I don't know.

Im familiar with both games.
Im not saying that they are ultra gritty. I would say they have a level of grittiness to their stories. Which is why they arent rated E for Everyone or something like that.

The whole point Ive said many times is that:
DMC and Tomb Raider had some dark/gritty elements in them from the beginning. Murder, blood, etc were present with their reboots it seems like theyre just upping the level of maturity
SSX was a lighthearted game and adding dark, gritty elements to that is alot different and worse than adding it to DmC and Tomb Raider

 

[TheBat812]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, this game looks pretty over the top already. I prefer a realistic game, personally, with great physics and great gameplay, rather than the over-the-top approach of the past games.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Im familiar with both games. Im not saying that they are ultra gritty. I would say they have a level of grittiness to their stories. Which is why they arent rated E for Everyone or something like that.

Well, I assume you're judging grittiness by more than simply ratings? I mean, you can have blood and violence and language and all that kind of thing, and still not really be all that 'gritty'. You mentioned Gears earlier, and that's definitely something I'd call gritty. Very rough and guff, unpolished, often very humorless with violence, sometimes even humorless and devoid of camp outright, outside some pitch black humor. Most of the time just comes off very angry and mean spirited and takes itself too seriously when done poorly.

That's what I would call gritty. TR and DMC? I don't know, seems you'd have to have a fairly loose way of terming gritty for either of those, especially DMC, since it's always been fairly laced with campy aspects and rarely took itself seriously with violence. Would you characterize something like Uncharted gritty as well, just out of curiosity?

The whole point Ive said many times is that:
DMC and Tomb Raider had some dark/gritty elements in them from the beginning. Murder, blood, etc were present with their reboots it seems like theyre just upping the level of maturity
SSX was a lighthearted game and adding dark, gritty elements to that is alot different and worse than adding it to DmC and Tomb Raider

Well, I guess that depends on the definition of 'maturity'.

 

[MadVillainy]

Your really not reading what I've said. I've said "somewhat gritty" and "level of grittiness". I am not saying theyre the grittiest games out there

If some asked me for a gritty game no I wouldnt say DMC or TR. But they have murder, blood which are some gritty elements

I would say the Gears of Wars have a level of humor to them, but I wouldnt call them funny games. Same principle. TR and DMC have a level of grit to them but I wouldnt call them gritty games. I never said DMC or TR are gritty games. I said DMC was somewhat gritty

 

[Tron Bonne]

Your really not reading what I've said. I've said "somewhat gritty" and "level of grittiness". I am not saying theyre the grittiest games out there

No, I am understanding you fine, but I guess you're not getting that I really don't agree with what you're saying even on that level.

If some asked me for a gritty game no I wouldnt say DMC or TR. But they have murder, blood which are some gritty elements

Eh, seems a rather loose way to define it. Beyond Good & Evil has that too, would you consider that even a 'somewhat gritty game'? I guess it's all in semantics. If gritty to you is simply blood and death, then I guess almost anything that isn't E-rated material is 'somewhat gritty'. Personally, I think there's certain things that define what gritty entails, and I don't really see it in what we're talking about.

I would say the Gears of Wars have a level of humor to them, but I wouldnt call them funny games. Same principle. TR and DMC have a level of grit to them but I wouldnt call them gritty games

I don't know, doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of humor to Gears, unless I just don't get it. But I find it hard to believe you'd miss the camp in DMC. What DMC games have you played, by the way?

 

[Havok83]

Ive never considered TR a gritty series. I can see the arguments with DmC but I also see where Tron is coming from as that was more stylized. In any case, theres a drastic difference between the previous protagonists, Dante and Nero and the new Dante shown in the reboot. He is intended to be even darker and gothic than what we've seen before

 

[MadVillainy]

I really dont think you do. It seems from your posts that you think I think that DMC and Tomb Raider are gritty. And all Im saying is that they have gritty elements to them. What are gritty elements is a another thing. But having gritty elements and being just straight up gritty are two different things.

I've never played Beyond Good and Evil or seen it played so I cant comment on that

Where are you getting that I missed the camp? Saying something has gritty elements or is somewhat gritty doesn't mean I didnt get the camp. And have you asked twice whether Ive played the games. Just because we disagree doesnt mean I havent played the game. Ive played the latest 2 games recently.

and about the Gears example I would say there is humor in them too. Just look at the whole character of Cole Train. But if someone asked you for an example for a funny game would you say Gears of War?

Ive never considered TR a gritty series. I can see the arguments with DmC but I also see where Tron is coming from as that was more stylized. In any case, theres a drastic difference between the previous protagonists, Dante and Nero and the new Dante shown in the reboot. He is intended to be even darker and gothic than what we've seen before

I never called Tomb Raider a gritty series and I never said the new Dante wasnt darker

 

[Tron Bonne]

I really dont think you do. It seems from your posts that you think I think that DMC and Tomb Raider are gritty. And all Im saying is that they have gritty elements to them. What are gritty elements is a another thing.

Your really not reading what I've said. I've said "somewhat gritty" and "level of grittiness". I am not saying theyre the grittiest games out there

Well, by saying they have a 'level of grittiness' you are saying they're 'somewhat gritty', right? Otherwise, what are you saying then...because now it sounds like you're rectonning yourself?

Where are you getting that I missed the camp? Saying something has gritty elements or is somewhat gritty doesn't mean I didnt get the camp. And have you asked twice whether Ive played the games. Just because we disagree doesnt mean I havent played the game. Ive played the latest 2 games recently.

Well, camp tends to be the bane of grittiness. It's hard to be hard and sober, whenever you're laughing at yourself. And I wasn't doubting you've played them because we disagree, I was doubting it because, well...it's just kind of hard for me to believe that anyone would call those elements 'gritty'. I don't know, you're standard for what's 'gritty' just seems so loose to me.

and about the Gears example I would say there is humor in them too. Just look at the whole character of Cole Train. But if someone asked you for an example for a funny game would you say Gears of War?

I meant more the presentation of the game's elements. There may be a wise-cracking character, but the game plays itself pretty soberly and is pretty rough and gruff with most of it's story, characters and violence from what I remember.

I never called Tomb Raider gritty

You're kind of splitting hairs here. You're not claiming it's the grittiest game, but by saying it has gritty elements, you are at least saying it's gritty in some ways.

 

[MadVillainy]

Well, by saying they have a 'level of grittiness' you are saying they're 'somewhat gritty', right? Otherwise, seriously, what are you saying, because now it sounds like you're totally rectonning yourself?

How am I retconning (not the right word to use in this situation) myself.
And this is why I dont think your really reading what I've been saying

The whole point Ive said many times is that:
DMC and Tomb Raider had some dark/gritty elements in them from the beginning. Murder, blood, etc were present with their reboots it seems like theyre just upping the level of maturity
SSX was a lighthearted game and adding dark, gritty elements to that is alot different and worse than adding it to DmC and Tomb Raider

That's what Ive been saying the whole time. And then we veered into this tangent on whether I called DmC gritty.

and yes Devil May Cry is somewhat gritty. I didnt say very gritty on like Gears of War levels. But it does have some grit to it

I said somewhat gritty like I would say Goodfellas, TDK, or The Departed is somewhat humorous. Funny moments, yes, but I wouldnt give them as examples as comedies just like I wouldnt give DMC as an example of a gritty game.

Well, camp tends to be the bane of grittiness. It's hard to be hard and sober, whenever you're laughing at yourself.

I think you can have grit and camp.

I meant more the presentation of the game's elements. There may be a wise-cracking character, but the game plays itself pretty soberly and is pretty rough and gruff with most of it's story and characters.

Well no Gears isnt humous in the game's elements. But there are still characters that add to a level of humor

 

[Tron Bonne]

How am I retconning (not the right word to use in this situation) myself.
And this is why I dont think your really reading what I've been saying

That's what Ive been saying the whole time. And then we veered into this tangent on whether I called DmC gritty. I said somewhat gritty like I would say Goodfellas, TDK, or The Departed is somewhat humorous. Funny moments, yes, but I wouldnt give them as examples as comedies just like I wouldnt give DMC as an example of a gritty game.

Okay, then I did understand. I'm saying I don't believe there are 'gritty' elements to these series, period. I don't consider something to have elements of being 'gritty', to be 'somewhat gritty', simply because it has blood and violence, when the presentation of those elements don't strike me as remotely gritty, or an attempt at being gritty. Pretty much what I was saying from the beginning, too, but you're kind of trying to shift and make it sound like something else, or I haven't been clear in that point. Not sure how I can get any clearer.

I think you can have grit and camp.

Hm, maybe, but I don't think so. 'Bout the only way is if it's meant as a parody/satire (something like MADWORLD or Bayonetta) or a comment on one or the other (like the planned 1963 storyline that never happened).

Well no Gears isnt humous in the game's elements. But there are still characters that add to a level of humor

Yes, exactly.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the sementics of this. And besides, this whole thing spawned from something that didn't even matter, anyway. Havok's point was still valid, the whole 'add the grit, ma' approach is catching. Which is bad for SSX. And there we go, time to leave this argument behind, and get back to this.