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Sabretooth Wolverine's half brother?

I wouldn't want Graydon Creed popping up in an X-Men movie, I'd prefer seeing him in a Wolverine movie that features Sabretooth or the "memory" of him.

I haven't read all the issues Gradon Creed was in. Did Sabertooth ever show any fatherly affection towards him?
 
Hell no. I think Sabretooth would quicker eat him.
 
That would make an interesting scene in the movie.

But you'd think Sabretooth would have tried to be a better father, given that his was apparently such a jerk to him. Or at least that was what he remembered.
 
That would make an interesting scene in the movie.

But you'd think Sabretooth would have tried to be a better father, given that his was apparently such a jerk to him. Or at least that was what he remembered.

Sabretooth woulda liked Graydon, had Graydon not grown up to be an anti-mutant a-hole.

Graydon coulda been Sabes' #2, it just didn't go right, like everything else in the Logan family.
 
Yes, the Logan family does seem to have the worst luck. Of course I blame Mystique the most for hos Graydon turned out because she was pretty bad to him.
 
Sabretooth woulda liked Graydon, had Graydon not grown up to be an anti-mutant a-hole.

Graydon coulda been Sabes' #2, it just didn't go right, like everything else in the Logan family.

Well Creed still wanted to kill Wolverine and make his life miserable when he thought he was his father, and they are pretty similar.

I think Graydon being a human would be enough for Sabretooth to hate him.
 
It's been a long time since I read the Sabertooth series (Sins of the Father, City of Light), but I seem to recall when he first learned of him, Sabretooth didn't automatically hate Graydon for being human.
 
I don't mind that the movie is changing the history. But as it stands in the comics, Sabretooth and Wolverine are not blood related. Dog Logan is not Sabretooth no matter what people want to believe since it has never been written and Paul Jenkins did not intend it.
 
I don't mind that the movie is changing the history. But as it stands in the comics, Sabretooth and Wolverine are not blood related. Dog Logan is not Sabretooth no matter what people want to believe since it has never been written and Paul Jenkins did not intend it.

you're talking in absolutes when these writers did the exact oposite of that and left the possibilities open.

keep talking that way, but nobody will listen :cwink:
 
S.H.I.E.L.D. carried out a blood test on Wolverine and Sabretooth that proved they were not closely blood related.

So as it stands Sabretooth is not Dog Logan in 616.
 
S.H.I.E.L.D. carried out a blood test on Wolverine and Sabretooth that proved they were not closely blood related.

So as it stands Sabretooth is not Dog Logan in 616.

SHIELD got it wrong, and let me add that 616 continuity has been reinvented dozens of times.

there are 20 years of 616 Wolverine history that come after that comic where the blood test was performed.

the film obviously skips all this arguing and goes straight to the point: Dog is Creed.
 
SHIELD got it wrong...
Are you writing a series for Marvel where you're going to reveal this? Because that's the only way you could know.

...and let me add that 616 continuity has been reinvented dozens of times.
Which was why I stated "as it stands".

there are 20 years of 616 Wolverine history that come after that comic where the blood test was performed.
...with not a single issue contradicting it.
 
Are you writing a series for Marvel where you're going to reveal this? Because that's the only way you could know.

common!!!:woot: its pretty obvious dog is creed.

wolverine and creed have always been equals, one good and one bad.

clearly the writers of the film saw that and decided to showcase it.

...with not a single issue contradicting it.

ORIGIN contradicts it, and in my personal opinion, they always felt like siblings going as far back as issue #10 when they first fought.

that father/son thing NEVER felt right to me and I began reading wolverine comics with issue 166 when he gets the first glimpse of ORIGIN.
 
common!!!:woot: its pretty obvious dog is creed.
That's an opinion. And one not shared by Paul Jenkins. In the films, it would seem that Dog (whether he's referred to by that name or not) is Sabretooth.

wolverine and creed have always been equals, one good and one bad.
Untrue. When Chris Claremont was writing Wolverine/Sabretooth, Sabretooth was always the superior.

clearly the writers of the film saw that and decided to showcase it.
It's an interpretation of ORIGIN to believe that Dog is Sabretooth; and given the constant flux state of the Marvel U, one that's definately not out of the question.

ORIGIN contradicts it, and in my personal opinion, they always felt like siblings going as far back as issue #10 when they first fought.
ORIGIN does not contradict the issue in question. Dog is not stated as, nor intended to be, Sabretooth.

Chris Claremont intended Sabretooth to be Logan's father. Whether you thought they felt like siblings (EDIT: in Vol. 2 #10) is not relevant, since Chris Claremont, the co-creator of Sabretooth, and the guy that helped define Wolverine didn't intend them to be.

that father/son thing NEVER felt right to me and I began reading wolverine comics with issue 166 when he gets the first glimpse of ORIGIN.
Peter, I have to ask, why are you telling me this?
 
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yea nothing is written in stone, people are suggested to be other people but never actually confirmed to be them, yadda yadda yadda.

when i read ORIGIN i classified dog as sabretooth immediately.

the bullying, the lingo, the outcome, the blonde hair, the height.

the writers of the film apparently saw that too and that's why liev is jackman's brother now.

*the reason i mentioned 166 to be my first serious wolverine read is because i didnt want you to think i read ORIGIN first. i went into wolverine before ORIGIN, when people still had that sabretooth being wolverine's father dilemma floating around.
 
yea nothing is written in stone, people are suggested to be other people but never actually confirmed to be them, yadda yadda yadda.

when i read ORIGIN i classified dog as sabretooth immediately.

And that's still your opinion. It's open to interpretation, since it was never specifically verified in Origin.
 
Untrue. When Chris Claremont was writing Wolverine/Sabretooth, Sabretooth was always the superior.

In Wolverine #10 Sabretooth was the superior, but once Logan got the enhancements, their fights were always pretty much even handed.
 
And that's still your opinion. It's open to interpretation, since it was never specifically verified in Origin.

once again, yes it was never verified, yes it was left open to interpretation, yes technically its my opinion.

but see you dont need to verify, or interpret it differently or make a call that will be deemed an opinion and not a fact. its obvious, it makes sense, its what we all think it is (except the few that just wanna argue):

Dog is Creed.

and we can all argue about it for centuries, but in the film - Dog is Creed.
 
once again, yes it was never verified, yes it was left open to interpretation, yes technically its my opinion.

but see you dont need to verify, or interpret it differently or make a call that will be deemed an opinion and not a fact. its obvious, it makes sense, its what we all think it is (except the few that just wanna argue):

Dog is Creed.
Sigh. There is evidence that suggests Dog is Sabretooth; there's also evidence that suggests Dog is not Sabretooth. You know this but dismiss it just because you prefer the idea of them being brothers to them not. Stop presenting your opinions as fact, and there's nothing technical about that.

And who gives a **** what you "all think" - you aren't Marvel, you can't make that call. And until Marvel reveals that Dog is/isn't Sabretooth, it will stay that way.

and we can all argue about it for centuries, but in the film - Dog is Creed.
Who is arguing that this isn't the case?
 
Stop presenting your opinions as fact, and there's nothing technical about that.

That's really what I am having trouble with, just comes off as insulting one's intelligence when other people do that...

And honestly though, I'm still holding out that they're not brothers...until I see the actual film and they say it so.
 
both sides of the coin should get over themselves. Comics are an artform and therefore open to interpretation.

If believing one thing makes your experience of it better, than all power to you but you should be able to respect other people's points, even if you disagree with them.

even if the creator and writer came here themselves to say something, it would have no impact, so let it go peeps...
 
both sides of the coin should get over themselves. Comics are an artform and therefore open to interpretation.

If believing one thing makes your experience of it better, than all power to you but you should be able to respect other people's points, even if you disagree with them.

even if the creator and writer came here themselves to say something, it would have no impact, so let it go peeps...

I have to agree with Rain here.

Pete, I'm one of the big Dog is Sabretooth supporters, but in the comics, it's still very up in the air weather or not he actually was supposed to be Dog or not. It could easily go either way. There's lots of evidence that points to Dog being Creed, and I'll argue that in his favor, but you can't overlook the fact that it was by no means concrete.
 
both sides of the coin should get over themselves. Comics are an artform and therefore open to interpretation.
I don't believe this. That's what I've been saying through the entirety of my posts on this thread and yet I need to 'get over myself'? I never once said "DOG ISN'T SABRETOOTH", I've always said it's open to interpretation. I've only ever been respectful here too.

The only reason I brought up Claremont was because Peter said they felt like brothers in WOLVERINE #10, despite the fact that CC wrote a father/son relationship.
 

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