Sabretooth Wolverine's half brother?

[BoredGuy]

The bullying, the lingo... The Blonde Har......

Dog wasn't blonde, go look at issue #6 again... not to mention the scars, and don't give me the "they went away when his powers kicked in" baloney....

Dog is Creed.

Yeah seriously, if you believe that, good for you, but stop stating it like its some fact i missed while reading.. I'll accept it if they do it in the movie, but in the comics, from what we know thus far, Dog is NOT Creed.

 

[November Rain]

I don't believe this. That's what I've been saying through the entirety of my posts on this thread and yet I need to 'get over myself'? I never once said "DOG ISN'T SABRETOOTH", I've always said it's open to interpretation. I've only ever been respectful here too.

The only reason I brought up Claremont was because Peter said they felt like brothers in WOLVERINE #10, despite the fact that CC wrote a father/son relationship.

well if you've said your piece, there's really no point going on and on about it because you arent going to change each other's minds and you end up killing the thread off.

 

[danoyse]

once again, yes it was never verified, yes it was left open to interpretation, yes technically its my opinion.

but see you dont need to verify, or interpret it differently or make a call that will be deemed an opinion and not a fact. its obvious, it makes sense, its what we all think it is (except the few that just wanna argue):

Dog is Creed.

and we can all argue about it for centuries, but in the film - Dog is Creed.

Yes, Dog is Creed in the movie, but the comics are left open to interpretation and everyone is allowed to post their own take on the subject.

There's no need to "correct" anyone who doesn't share your opinion.

 

[danoyse]

well if you've said your piece, there's really no point going on and on about it because you arent going to change each other's minds and you end up killing the thread off.

I will kill this thread off if people don't stop arguing about it.

 

[sniktsnakt]

Rumors abound in the comics section that Marvel might come out and put it to rest once and for all.

Until they've spoken, let it go. There's no proof for or against in the comics, and movie-verse is as separate as the Ultimate Universe vs. 616.

 

[Congo Jack]

well if you've said your piece, there's really no point going on and on about it because you arent going to change each other's minds and you end up killing the thread off.

Fair enough, November Rain.

But allow me to say I wasn’t trying to change anyone's mind. I've already 'lost' since my ideal scenario was out the window as soon as ORIGIN was published. The fact is that until Marvel confirm something, the answer isn't known; and for anyone to state categorically either way and say that anyone saying different is doing so just for the sake of being argumentative is not only incorrect but rude also.

Peace.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Dog wasn't blonde, go look at issue #6 again... not to mention the scars, and don't give me the "they went away when his powers kicked in" baloney....

Well, to play Devil's Advocate, Dog's hair did go from being dark brown/black to blond by the end of Origins.

[FONT=&quot]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cc/Dog_Logan1.jpg/260px-Dog_Logan1.jpg

That is definitely blond hair. And I see no reason why he couldn't have had his healing factor kick in post-Origin. Or his healing factor could have been week at this point, not strong enough to heal deep tissue scars, and then strengthened as he grew. This certainly isn't out of the question, because Wolverine's healing factor has increased as he's grown older.

However, I'm not saying that Dog is Creed for sure, I just like to argue for it. I'm a supporter of that decision, and while I think it's easy to explain away the points against him being Creed, that by no means he definitely is Sabretooth.[/FONT]

 

[cerealkiller182]

Thats definitely not blonde hair. That is the light hitting it from the window. And before you call ********, that scene is before Dog faces off with Logan and when he does that his hair is brown

 

[Infinity9999x]

You of course mean this scene

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/dogorign1.jpg

To me, that is brownish, however it's a very light brown. The way blond hair looks in shadow. Because in this picture when there's more light....

http://www.lostsoulwolverine.com/gallery/g284.jpg

It again looks blond.

Honestly, we're getting a bit silly here, but it suffices to say that Dog's hair color is definitely lighter then when he was a boy and it appeared black/very dark brown, like Logan's. You can call his hair "light brown" if you want, but at some point light brown turns to blond. We're really just debating semantics here. One person's light brown is another person's blond.


EDIT: I didn't mean to repost the picture you already posted Killer, the first time I viewed the page your picture didn't load.

 

[Peter McCabe]

this looks awesome and it wreaks of Dog Logan

its on sale next week

 

[Savage]

...Mine. I-I-I must get it!

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

this looks awesome and it wreaks of Dog Logan

its on sale next week

Sexy, sexy...in a psychotic way I guess

And for the record, I've always believed that Sabertooth and Wolverine were half brothers for like 20 years.

Dog wasn't blonde, go look at issue #6 again... not to mention the scars, and don't give me the "they went away when his powers kicked in" baloney....

I wouldn't put it past Sabes to tear off his own face if his healing powers were latent. That would explain the lack of scarring because he tore it right off and it healed back.

 

[Peter McCabe]

well, I picked up the X-Men Origins: Sabretooth one shot yesterday and despite the title that suggests some kinda connection with the film, this issue maintains the notion that Sabretooth is not Dog Logan.

*The problem is, in the story Creed is introduced in what appears to be his early teens. Maybe 12 - 13 years of age.

If Dog was under 12 in ORIGIN, then he could become the young Creed in this issue.

I don't see Marvel EVER clearing this up.

 

[November Rain]

gotta love that cover....

and they won't clear it up as long as there are threads likes these flopping around which increase interest in the topic and thus sales...

 

[Peter McCabe]

CORRECTION:

Just noticed something.

in this comic, the 12 year old Creed has no scars on his face

this eliminates any chance of him being Dog Logan.

so Marvel is clearing things up after all ---> In the comicverse, Sabretooth is not Dog Logan.

In the filmverse, Victor Creed is Dog Logan.

oh well, I personally am happier with the film's take on Creed, but I must admit, this one shot's origin for Creed is deliciously creepy.

 

[Ken]

i just wanted to say that i have not been on these boards in almost a year and i can not belive that we are still arguing about this topic. when orgins came out i had put up a website which i havent even looked at since 03 but i had stated that dog is sabertooth. that was just based on the evidence that was presented.
i must say this one diologue always stood out to me from the 4th issue. James (wolverines) grandfather asked dog to find his grandson on his deathbed, and dog replies, i will find him and i will hunt him till the end of time.

i think that was a nice hint as to the history that dog and james were to have together.

you can check out more pics at www.lostsoulwolverine.com

 

[Ken]

tell me that doesnt sound and look like sabertooth.

 

[Infinity9999x]

i just wanted to say that i have not been on these boards in almost a year and i can not belive that we are still arguing about this topic. when orgins came out i had put up a website which i havent even looked at since 03 but i had stated that dog is sabertooth. that was just based on the evidence that was presented.
i must say this one diologue always stood out to me from the 4th issue. James (wolverines) grandfather asked dog to find his grandson on his deathbed, and dog replies, i will find him and i will hunt him till the end of time.

i think that was a nice hint as to the history that dog and james were to have together.

you can check out more pics at www.lostsoulwolverine.com

Well it seems from the recent comic that Pete just read, that Dog is not Sabes, unless the comic is one of those one shots that are kind of a "what if" story. I can't say if it is or not because I haven't seen it. Peter can verify?

But if Marvel is telling us straight out that Dog isn't Sabes in the comics. I myself would be very disappointed if that were true, but hey, that's the way it goes.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Well it seems from the recent comic that Pete just read, that Dog is not Sabes, unless the comic is one of those one shots that are kind of a "what if" story. I can't say if it is or not because I haven't seen it. Peter can verify?

But if Marvel is telling us straight out that Dog isn't Sabes in the comics. I myself would be very disappointed if that were true, but hey, that's the way it goes.

Its def not a "what if?" kinda story/one shot, as it doesnt at all discard 616 continuity.

Marvel basically is saying their version of 616 Creed is not Dog Logan.

*Ken, that is a GREAT shot of Dog Logan man!!!

and I'm with ya 100%, THAT looks just like the Victor Creed I know and love from the comics.

Marvel just loves to play mindgames

at least in the film, we have confirmation that Liev Schreiber is playing Dog Logan/Victor Creed

 

[Peter McCabe]

The Origin of MARVEL's 616 Sabretooth/Victor Creed:

deliciously gruesome, eh?

*the rest of the comic isn't about Creed's origin at all, just about his re-ocurring fights with Logan.

its the worth the buy for those pages alone, and that ferocious cover.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The Origin of MARVEL's 616 Sabretooth/Victor Creed:



deliciously gruesome, eh?

*the rest of the comic isn't about Creed's origin at all, just about his re-ocurring fights with Logan.

its the worth the buy for those pages alone, and that ferocious cover.

I have to say, if we can't get the Dog origin, that one is pretty friggin sweet.

However, it seems to contradict cannon. Even though I was no fan of the Lupine arc, Sabretooth mentions in that that he's much older than Wolverine. If this is his true origin, then it would seem that he's actually quite a bit younger. That looks like it's set in early 1900's. 1920's even. I'm not sure how this fits in with the time line of the fight over Silver Fox either.

Of course, I suppose it could be the late 1800's, but the dress, and style of the house all gave me the impression it was the early 1900's. Heck, I even thought it could be set in 1950's. It just looked too modern to me. Still a good story though.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I have to say, if we can't get the Dog origin, that one is pretty friggin sweet.

However, it seems to contradict cannon. Even though I was no fan of the Lupine arc, Sabretooth mentions in that that he's much older than Wolverine. If this is his true origin, then it would seem that he's actually quite a bit younger. That looks like it's set in early 1900's. 1920's even. I'm not sure how this fits in with the time line of the fight over Silver Fox either.

Of course, I suppose it could be the late 1800's, but the dress, and style of the house all gave me the impression it was the early 1900's. Heck, I even thought it could be set in 1950's. It just looked too modern to me. Still a good story though.

After those scenes he is scene in a traditional Wild West setting, which in fiction is usually around the 1880s and introed by "Years Later" narration box and he was significantly aged physically

 

[Infinity9999x]

After those scenes he is scene in a traditional Wild West setting, which in fiction is usually around the 1880s and introed by "Years Later" narration box and he was significantly aged physically

Interesting. Well, I suppose the house just looked more modern to me. But it's quite possible they were just a well off farming family.

I do have to say though, I do really love that little short. It has that perfect level of creepiness in it. Think you could post a few more scans Pete

 

[Peter McCabe]

Interesting. Well, I suppose the house just looked more modern to me. But it's quite possible they were just a well off farming family.

I do have to say though, I do really love that little short. It has that perfect level of creepiness in it. Think you could post a few more scans Pete

This is the 8th and final page of Creed's origin in the one shot. The only reason I didn't post it with the other 7 is that the site wouldnt let me.

The Birthday fixation begins...

 

[Infinity9999x]

This is the 8th and final page of Creed's origin in the one shot. The only reason I didn't post it with the other 7 is that the site wouldnt let me.

The Birthday fixation begins...

Wow, that is pretty friggin sweet. Thanks man