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I dont know if this is interesting to you people, but i think this is really cool. it seems the space elevator, only imagined in science fiction, will become a reality sooner than we think. they estimate will have one of these up and running by 2020.

i know you may think its impossible, but ohh, it is. read on to see why.

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here are some quick facts.

Quick Facts
  • The Space Elevator is a thin ribbon, with a cross-section area roughly half that of a pencil, extending from a ship-borne anchor to a counterweight well beyond geo-synchronous orbit.
  • The ribbon is kept taut due to the rotation of the earth (and that of the counterweight around the earth). At its bottom, it pulls up on the anchor with a force of about 20 tons.
  • Electric vehicles, called climbers, ascend the ribbon using electricity generated by solar panels and a ground based booster light beam.
  • In addition to lifting payloads from earth to orbit, the elevator can also release them directly into lunar-injection or earth-escape trajectories.
  • The baseline system weighs about 1500 tons (including counterweight) and can carry up to 15 ton payloads, easily one per day.
  • The ribbon is 62,000 miles long, about 3 feet wide, and is thinner than a sheet of paper. It is made out of a carbon nanotube composite material.
  • The climbers travel at a steady 200 kilometers per hour (120 MPH), do not undergo accelerations and vibrations, can carry large and fragile payloads, and have no propellant stored onboard.
  • Orbital debris are avoided by moving the anchor ship, and the ribbon itself is made resilient to local space debris damage.
  • The elevator can be made larger by using itself to carry more ribbon pieces into place. There is no limit on how large a Space Elevator can be!
more facts with Q n A.

Facts and Figures
Frequently Asked Questions
  • Science Fiction or Science Fact?
    The Space Elevator was first proposed in the 1960's by a Russian engineer (Yuri Artsutanov) as a far-reaching engineering concept. The scientific principles underlying it are well understood and do not require any fictional inventions, except for the super-strong material required for its construction. Since existing materials are not strong enough to build the Space Elevator, it has been relegated to the status of science fiction, and as such appeared in several books, the most famous of which is Sir Arthur C. Clarke's The Fountains of Paradise. In 1991 a new class of carbon molecules were discovered carbon nanotubes (CNTs). Composite materials made out of CNTs are theoretically over four times as strong as needed to build the Space Elevator. The present Space Elevator design was conceived by Dr. Brad Edwards. This design differs greatly from the science fiction Space Elevators which would require billions of tons of infrastructure in space and cannot be built within the foreseeable future. In contrast, Dr. Edwards design requires a handful of launches on existing rockets and is extremely close to being achievable. The Space Elevator is therefore 100% Science Fact, with some technological hurdles that still need to be crossed.
  • How much will it cost?
    A lot less than the Shuttle, or the International Space Station... The entire system can be built and deployed for under 10 Billion dollars, and since all operations happen at the ground station, it is very inexpensive to operate - roughly $100 per pound initially, and much less as volumes increase. Having such a capable launch system will do wonders for the manned space program, by providing a low-cost, high-capacity logistical train capable of sending thousands of tons of supplies to destinations in orbit, on the moon or on Mars every year. By moving these materials using cheap climbers rather than expensive rockets, we can realize huge savings, much larger than the cost of the Space Elevator.
  • What's holding the ribbon up?
    Imagine yourself spinning a weight at the end of a string. The string is kept taut by the motion of the weight, and the longer the string is, the more time it takes the weight to go around. Now imagine a string so long, it takes the weight an entire day(!) to make a single revolution. If you were to tie such an incredibly long string to the surface of the earth at some point, it would remain taut, and for people on the ground it would seem to simply hang down from the weight, as if by magic. An alien traveling by spaceship, on the other hand, will see a rotating planet with a long string hanging straight out - much like a carnival ride. (Put yet another way, if you account for the rotation of the planet, the string is hanging from the ground, and falling into the sky.
  • How do you get it up there?
    "Getting it up there" is often referred to as "deployment". The first (seed) ribbon has to be launched by rockets and spooled down from GEO. However, the Space Elevator can make itself bigger (thicker) by hauling up new ribbon material. In this way, there is an option to rocket-launch only a lighter-weight elevator, reducing the number of required launches by a fair amount.
  • What happens if it breaks?
    The short answer is that (much like the string-and-weight example) the portion of the elevator above the break point flies outwards, whereas the portion below the break point falls down to earth. We have to remember that the whole ribbon weighs only about 1000 tons (about the same as a Saturn V rocket) and has the density and consistency of Saran Wrap, so if it falls, instead of crashing down in one place it is distributed evenly around the entire planet, with each square mile getting about an ounce of debris. The overall effect will be like a very disappointing global ticker-tape parade - hardly a ground-shattering event.
  • What about space junk? hurricanes? lightning? terrorists?
    There are many risk factors the Space Elevator design has to factor in. The space junk risk is mitigated by having the anchor on a ship, and moving it around to avoid incoming pieces. (Space junk is mapped. The International Space Station is regularly moved around in the same manner). In addition, the ribbon structure is resilient to hits from small debris. Since the anchor is on the equator anyway, hurricanes are not a problem. Other weather phenomena such as lightning can be largely avoided by moving the anchor ship. Finally, man made risks (sabotage) are largely mitigated by having the Space Elevator anchored in a remote region, so its permimeter can be safely and effectively guarded.
  • What is the current state of Carbon Nanotube Composites (CNTCs) research?
    Yearly production of CNTs is increasing each year by a factor of 10. Single Wall Nanotubes (SWNT), which are the type we want, are becoming available in larger and large quantities. CNTCs are maturing very fast indeed. They are now as strong as the strongest materials available commercially, and there isn't a technological barrier to making them as strong as we need them.
  • Why isn't the government building one?
    This is the most important question of all, and why Elevator:2010 is here. There is no doubt that the promise of the Space Elevator is mind boggling. And here lies the problem - it requires a paradigm shift. 100 years ago, people thought dirigibles were the only way to fly, and heavier-than-air flying machines are an odd-ball idea. Today, there is an almost unbreakable concept that you go to space with rockets, and there is a huge industry built around this concept. That's a lot of inertia to overcome, and it requires both technical research and public pressure. We're here to get the word out, and hook as many people on the Space Elevator concept as we can.
  • When do you think the Space Elevator will be built?
    We believe we can solve all the fundamental problems by the year 2010, and at that point building the Space Elevator will become a national priority project. It should then be possible to complete the construction of the first elevator by the year 2020.

so how cool would it be to eventually travel in one of these. they should consider building a new space station, and connect the elevators from earth to the station.

hell maybe we can even get to our moon in one of these.
 
dumb idea. easy target for terrorist and a waste of money


seriously, why can't see something built that will halp better our planet?
 
dumb idea. easy target for terrorist and a waste of money


seriously, why can't see something built that will halp better our planet?


this would be no more an easy target for terrorists than anything else on the planet.

and who's money would be wasted on this? if a bunch of billionaires want to invest in this thing, let 'em... something like this would easily make it's money back.
 
Could people use it?


yeah the most likly could use it, eventually, right now the elevator will be used to transport meterials and supplies to space stations, shuttles, and what ever else...

dumb idea. easy target for terrorist and a waste of money

seriously, why can't see something built that will halp better our planet?


its actually i reall inovative idea, and will cut causts on space shuttle launches.

yea there is the possibilty of terorists, but thyll figure something out.

and it will better our planet, with this fast way of transporting meterials, making space stations and future homes for humankind to live, will be easyer to make and it wont take long to build. i know that seems unlikly but, eventually it will happen. iether we live in space, or we inhabit another planet, or build lunor colonies and bio domes.

and transporting everything from earth will take no time at all.


so all in all this space elevator is a great idea. one large step into a better future.
 
tell me one good reason why we should build this?

because it's awesome... and because it's (more than likely) much more affordable way to get into space. think about how many billions of tons of gasoline NASA would save if they could just haul their crafts into space, then take off without having to break earth's orbit?
 
because it's awesome... and because it's (more than likely) much more affordable way to get into space. think about how many billions of tons of gasoline NASA would save if they could just haul their crafts into space, then take off without having to break earth's orbit?

They don't use gasoline in those shuttles, they use liquid oxygen.
 
^ yup, they said on other sites that the caust of this would be like a few hundred million, as aposed to the shuttle launches now that coust billions.
 
Because it would piss you off?:huh:

Now I believe that this is why they truly will built it! "If you build it......They will come...with the exception of this one. He just has issues. Well if you have an issue...well here's a tissue!"
 
What if a meteor hits it? That would make sense wouldn't it.:whatever:


its possible but, the meterial holding it all together is 10x stronger than any metal on our planet, its some nano carbon (pic below) and its the strongets meterial in the world, this is what the whole structure is made out of, im sure it could probably withstand anything.

and if not it woulnt matter, its replaceable and it wont harm anyone or anything if it fell to earth.

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Look how much it cost to send a civilian in space. To ride up in one of these would probably be the same if not more.
 
I still think it's risky to build something like this. Of course this is still 2007 and 2020. We have know idea what the world will be like then.

True in 8 years there's going to be a nuclear war anyway, so it's a waste of time and energy. :o
 
there are endless possibilitys with this one idea. they can make more than one elevator, they can make observation towers and planatery reaserch labs. and have telescopes seeing planets closer than ever before. have smaller shuttles that can fly around planets and out into space, for reaserch or commertial use.

they can build space stations that we the civilians can go up in,or space colonies ware we can live. building these will really change the world.
 
that is a dumb idea,what if it got caught in the earths roatation and kept spinning until it flew into space carrying the guy who deemed it safe.
 

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