Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13

[Voltron]

That works but the ending of TWS had Natasha recommend that Steve call her in a romantic sense. Though, not that I mention it, it might not have been a romantic sense at all.

I don't understand the point about the rest of your post, however.

Yeah Cap definitely got preoccupied with finding Bucky over finding love.

The rest of the points was none related, I should've posted it seperately.

 

[Voltron]

Just sharing this post.

What do these moments have in common?
In all of them, Steve is hallucinating.
In all of them, Sharon is part of the hallucination.
In all of them, they talk about children/family.

- In the first one, Sharon reveals she’s pregnant and he says it’s time to retire and settle down.
- In the second one, he says the world doesn’t need Captain America anymore and they talk about children.
- In the third one, Sharon and Ian come back to Steve. His family is complete now.
These hallucinations were provoked by different Cap enemies and were meant to give him what he wants the most only to take it away from him and make him suffer.
Sharon is Steve’s love of his life.
Steve wants to have a family with Sharon.

http://dutyoverlove.tumblr.com/post/121600444795/captain-america-v4-16-captain-america-v6-04

So in AoU they got Cap to see a vision of Peggy, but in the comics it was always Sharon. Poor Sharon, MCU basically divided up her role in the comics to Nat in TWS and Peggy.

 

[TalismanRing]

If we're pulling up comic panels then it's obvious who Steve's true soul mate is. The Civil War could be avoided if they just admitted their feelings and got married.

 

[Stevie2020]

OMG. And not in a good way. Is it too late to ship Steve+a righteous vow of celibacy? Because all of this schmoop has gotten way too schmoopy.

Ant-Man arrives in how many weeks?

(Seriously, this surely is a sign of my own pre-occupation with the subject, but I wouldn't mind if Steve's love life stayed firmly off screen and was referenced only occasionally so the audience is reminded assured that he's not a monk.)

 

[Mike5575]

If we're pulling up comic panels then it's obvious who Steve's true soul mate is. The Civil War could be avoided if they just admitted their feelings and got married.

Nobody cares about some stupid alternate reality that might as well never happened. When people say "in the comics", 95% of the time, they are referring to the mainstream 616 universe, thus making your post entirely irrelevant.

 

[Mike5575]

Just sharing this post.
So in AoU they got Cap to see a vision of Peggy, but in the comics it was always Sharon. Poor Sharon, MCU basically divided up her role in the comics to Nat in TWS and Peggy.

Marvel made the mistake of making Peggy Carter far too popular and not a distant memory as she was in the comics. Now, between Steggy and Stevetasha, Sharon Carter is met with open hostility.

 

[MbJ]

Nobody cares about some stupid alternate reality that might as well never happened. When people say "in the comics", 95% of the time, they are referring to the mainstream 616 universe, thus making your post entirely irrelevant.

If we're gonna go that route I'd say a good 90 percent of the people in the audience haven't read ANY comics regardless of what continuity. So at this stage in the game, complaining about the audience liking Peggy because "That's not how it is in the comics!" is largely irrelevant since the comics mean jack squat to most people.

Marvel made the mistake of making Peggy Carter far too popular and not a distant memory as she was in the comics. Now, between Steggy and Stevetasha, Sharon Carter is met with open hostility.

That's the reality of working in two different mediums. She was only a distant memory in the comics because she was a character who was retconned into existence long after the war was over.

The movies don't have the benefit of that since they start at the beginning and thus the viewers were able to experience Peggy from the beginning.

 

[TalismanRing]

Nobody cares about some stupid alternate reality that might as well never happened. When people say "in the comics", 95% of the time, they are referring to the mainstream 616 universe, thus making your post entirely irrelevant.

I'm sure it's very irrelevant to the humorless but I just can't seem to care.

As said by Mbj and others countless times - the movies are not the comics. Even in the comics Steve and Sharon are more off than on and he's had other serious love interests who we haven't even seen yet.

Peggy is popular because of the writing, the chemistry and the great talent of the actress. She could have easily been a one and done character left in the past of the first movie but they caught lightning in a bottle and ran with it. Exploiting what becomes popular and using available talent to create more popular entertainment is not a mistake.

Sharon as a character will live and die on her own merits. Stop blaming other characters and actresses for any lack of enthusiasm for her character.

 

[Mike5575]

If we're gonna go that route I'd say a good 90 percent of the people in the audience have read ANY comics regardless of what continuity. So at this stage in the game, complaining about the audience liking Peggy because "That's not how it is in the comics!" is largely irrelevant since the comics mean jack squat to most people.

I'm sure it's very irrelevant to the humorless but I just can't seem to care.

As said by Mbj and others countless times - the movies are not the comics. Even in the comics Steve and Sharon are more off than on and he's had other serious love interests who we haven't even seen yet.

Peggy is popular because of the writing, the chemistry and the great talent of the actress. She could have easily been a one and done character left in the past of the first movie but they caught lightning in a bottle and ran with it. Exploiting what becomes popular and using available talent to create more popular entertainment is not a mistake.

Sharon as a character will live and die on her own merits. Stop blaming other characters and actresses for any lack of enthusiasm for her character.

Right, so we should pretend that Falcon isn't best friends with Cap or Rhodey isn't friends with Tony Stark, or Hawkeye and Black Widow don't have a history just like the comics. The movies aren't the comics, but the movies are certainly inspired by the comics. They are not the same, but they are similar, so one should expect at least some things to parallel the comics. Besides, would Marvel even bother with Sharon Carter if they weren't going for the romantic subplot? "The movies aren't the comics" statement shouldn't suggest that the comics should be ignored altogether.

 

[TalismanRing]

The comics are used as source material which is extrapolated upon and changed. Relationships have been altered but then they alter in comics all the time as well. In the MCU so far:

1. Happy is in Iron Man and yet he's not married to Pepper (or dead yet).
2. Tony never hid his identity as Iron Man.
3. Captain America and Iron Man are both in The Avengers and yet they are not very close friends. Tony isn't the person who first gave him a home or the first person to talk to him when he came out of the ice.
4. Captain America is not Clint's mentor.
5. Clint and Natasha are not ex lovers.
6. Clint has a family but it's from The Ultimates but Nat hasn't murdered them
7. Natasha and Bucky are not ex-lovers who were in the Red Room together.
8. Bucky wasn't a teenager in WWII
9. Natasha and Daredevil are not ex lovers.
10. Bruce is not Tony's main Science Bro.
11. Tony has/had J.A.R.V.I.S. and not Jarvis.

 

[Mike5575]

The comics are used as source material which is extrapolated upon and changed. Relationships have been altered but then they alter in comics all the time as well. In the MCU so far:

1. Happy is in Iron Man and yet he's not married to Pepper (or dead yet).
2. Tony never hid his identity as Iron Man.
3. Captain America and Iron Man are both in The Avengers and yet they are not very close friends. Tony isn't the person who first gave him a home or the first person to talk to him when he came out of the ice.
4. Captain America is not Clint's mentor.
5. Clint and Natasha are not ex lovers.
6. Clint has a family but it's from The Ultimates but Nat hasn't murdered them
7. Natasha and Bucky are not ex-lovers who were in the Red Room together.
8. Bucky wasn't a teenager in WWII
9. Natasha and Daredevil are not ex lovers.
10. Bruce is not Tony's main Science Bro.

Tony kept his secret identity for a minute or two.
Tony and Cap are pretty good friends. This is pretty clear at the end of AOU.
We don't know anything about Nat's and Clint's shared past.
Bruce and Tony are science bros, because Marvel doesn't have the rights to F4, and Hank Pym had not been introduced in the MCU yet. It's part of the reason why they made Stark the creator of Ultron.

It's fun to debate this back and forth, tallying the similarities and differnces between the movies and comics, but this does nothing to disprove my point. The movies are not the comics, but they are inspired by them. Nobody really knows for sure if Sharon and Steve will be a thing in the movies, but I'm betting on it.

 

[DanielFM]

It's fun to debate this back and forth, tallying the similarities and differnces between the movies and comics, but this does nothing to disprove my point. The movies are not the comics, but they are inspired by them. Nobody really knows for sure if Sharon and Steve will be a thing in the movies, but I'm betting on it.

But it actually does disprove your point. A lot of significant things changed from the comics to the movies.
Is StevexSharon going to happen? It's very likely (as likely as comic events being translated into the MCU), but it's possible it won't (as likely as comic events being ignored/modified).

 

[TalismanRing]

A minute or two does not exactly equate to 18 comic years even in the sped up MCU. That and there was no red thong at the reveal. Very disappointing.

 

[Mike5575]

But it actually does disprove your point. A lot of significant things changed from the comics to the movies.
Is StevexSharon going to happen? It's very likely (as likely as comic events being translated into the MCU), but it's possible it won't (as likely as comic events being ignored/modified).

I'm well aware that things change in the movies, but Sharon isn't really known for everything else other than being Captain America's girlfriend. You can doubt it just about as much as Spider-Man showing up in Civil War.

A minute or two does not exactly equate to 18 comic years even in the sped up MCU. That and there was no red thong at the reveal. Very disappointing.

Well, whether you like it or not, Sharon will be in Civil War, and Markus and McFeely had plans from the very beginning to introduce Sharon as a love interest to Steve Rogers. If she's not Steve's love interest, than what is her purpose in the MCU? Why even have her in Civil War at all considering how bloated the cast is?

http://www.fandango.com/movie-news/bam-pow-zap-the-winter-soldier-screenwriters-dish-about-their-story-decisions-and-caps-future-spoilers-747775

 

[sergeantbucky]

Sharon's romance with Steve, although prominent in the comics, could potentially be watered down in the MCU. We have no confirmation that MCU Sharon will enter into a romantic relationship with Cap. For all we know, their interactions in CW and beyond could be limited to work-related encounters, with a few flirty glances and comments. Or, on the flip side, they could be making out by the third act of CW!

The point Talisman is trying to make is that we can't and won't know how much of Steve's and Sharon's comic romance will be in the MCU until we are actually see it onscreen.

 

[universeman]

Sharon's romance with Steve, although prominent in the comics, could potentially be watered down in the MCU. We have no confirmation that MCU Sharon will enter into a romantic relationship with Cap. For all we know, their interactions in CW and beyond could be limited to work-related encounters, with a few flirty glances and comments. Or, on the flip side, they could be making out by the third act of CW!

The point Talisman is trying to make is that we can't and won't know how much of Steve's and Sharon's comic romance will be in the MCU until we are actually see it onscreen.

I agree we don't know how it will play out, really I think we will see more of Stucky than Staron

 

[Voltron]

Marvel made the mistake of making Peggy Carter far too popular and not a distant memory as she was in the comics. Now, between Steggy and Stevetasha, Sharon Carter is met with open hostility.

She is? I know back when it was revealed Sharon will be in CW there was a handful of hateful tweets mostly from teens. But there were far more positive tweets than negative ones under "Sharon Carter".

Also Sharon's more than a love interest, she's a super spy, kickass, badass, and a SHIELD and Carter legacy.

From the interviews I've read and that CW set pic of EVC/Chris together strongly hints that they'll become romantically involved. That ending from AoU indicating that Cap isn't interested in finding love seems to be a misdirect so the general audience won't suspect that Cap/Sharon will get it on. And if they don't then Chris and M/M fooled me.

 

[sergeantbucky]

From the interviews I've read and that CW set pic of EVC/Chris together strongly hints that they'll become romantically involved. That ending from AoU indicating that Cap isn't interested in finding love seems to be a misdirect so the general audience won't suspect that Cap/Sharon will get it on. And if they don't then Chris and M/M fooled me.

If you take AoU Cap's supposed disinterest in finding love at face value, then what is the point of a misdirect? With TWS setting Staron up, AoU shooting it down, and then CW rekindling their potential romance? Why do that? I'm not sure if the general, non-comic fan audience would even remember Sharon going into AoU, let alone make the connection between Cap not wanting a girlfriend/normal life and his maybe-romance with Sharon in TWS. No offence to Sharon, but she was onscreen for a very short amount of time.

If most of us can agree that M/M and the Russo's want to go ahead with a Staron relationship, I think Cap's attitude in AoU vs. TWS/CW comes down to the Russo's and Whedon not being on the same page.

 

[Voltron]

A misdirect for the general audience that saw the end of TWS then AoU like me?

 

[sergeantbucky]

A misdirect for the general audience that saw the end of TWS then AoU like me?

But I'm saying why? What would be the point to misdirect, when in the next movie they'll (probably) be together again? There isn't a lot of payoff.

 

[Voltron]

Well people who just watch the Cap movies won't get misdirected, but MCU viewers who have seen TWS then AoU will think like myself that he's not interested in finding love and that it doesn't look like he called that nurse/spy after all? More like leaving the audience in suspense?

 

[universeman]

Well to be honest I love this game who will Cap end up with? or will he go solo? hosted by Chris Pratt.

 

[sergeantbucky]

Well people who just watch the Cap movies won't get misdirected, but MCU viewers who have seen TWS then AoU will think like myself that he's not interested in finding love and that it doesn't look like he called that nurse/spy after all? More like leaving the audience in suspense?

Eh, I guess so. Might've been nice to have Sharon mentioned in some way in AoU. Marvel was setting her up as a recurring figure in Cap's life in TWS, and instead we got more Peggy. I actually think it would have been cool to replace Peggy with Sharon in Steve's vision.

 

[universeman]

Eh, I guess so. Might've been nice to have Sharon mentioned in some way in AoU. Marvel was setting her up as a recurring figure in Cap's life in TWS, and instead we got more Peggy. I actually think it would have been cool to replace Peggy with Sharon in Steve's vision.

It was Whedon's idea to have Peggy in the vision, he was having drinks with Atwell and the idea pop into his head. He asked her if she would like to do it and she said yes!

 

[Voltron]

sergeantbucky:
I actually thought it would've been nice to replace Peggy with Bucky in Steve's vision, then in the party scene Sam could've asked Cap casually how Sharon was doing then quickly moved on to that home in Brooklyn conversation.

universeman:
The end game is with Sharon.