Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13

[BullMcGiveny]

I think so long as Peggy and Sharon are linked, it doesn't make a difference if they're aunt and niece or if they're related through marriage, it all presents the same issue.

An issue that is frankly not that much of an issue, anyway.

On the subject of Widow, yeah, since seeing TWS, I've always been sure that she'd be there to stay. And I'm still not sure of Sharon's place in the movie.

Kind of bs, though, that the whole thing doesn't work without her. Or that she absolutely HAD TO BE in TWS because people already know who she is. If that was true, we'd never get Falcon, or any other new characters of substance.

 

[universeman]

Kind of bs, though, that the whole thing doesn't work without her. Or that she absolutely HAD TO BE in TWS because people already know who she is. If that was true, we'd never get Falcon, or any other new characters of substance.

Do you mean Sharon or Natasha?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Do you mean Sharon or Natasha?

Natasha.

 

[Voltron]

And I'm still not sure of Sharon's place in the movie.

-To emphasize that Cap's surrounded with spies and doesn't know who he can trust since the movie's tone is political thriller.
-To contrast soldiers (Cap, Falcon) with spies (Sharon, Nat, Fury, Pierce).
-By asking her out it shows Cap's attempt to move on with his life and found someone he's interested in.
-To show that Sharon represents the good SHIELD during the stand off and dares to question Sitwell on why Cap is being tracked. These scenes establishes Sharon's headstrong character.
-Lay an easter egg for comic readers that Peggy's her aunt.
-To plant a seed that she now works for the CIA for CW. Not sure if she's working undercover for SHIELD or not.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

-To emphasize that Cap's surrounded with spies and doesn't know who he can trust since the movie's tone is political thriller.
-To contrast soldiers (Cap, Falcon) with spies (Sharon, Nat, Fury, Pierce).
-By asking her out it shows Cap's attempt to move on with his life and found someone he's interested in.
-To show that Sharon represents the good SHIELD during the stand off and dares to question Sitwell on why Cap is being tracked. These scenes establishes Sharon's headstrong character.
-Lay an easter egg for comic readers that Peggy's her aunt.
-To plant a seed that she now works for the CIA for CW. Not sure if she's working undercover for SHIELD or not.

I'm referring to this movie. I'm still not reasonably sure that Sharon will be involved to a satisfactory degree.

 

[Voltron]

I'm referring to this movie. I'm still not reasonably sure that Sharon will be involved to a satisfactory degree.

Rightio. Well EVC did say that she'll be filming until the end of Summer and it's only June. She's been spotted in around L.A. though, which is a bit of a worry since what if she has already filmed all her scenes.

Well Sharon's working for the CIA, not sure if it's undercover for SHIELD/Fury or not. Maybe Cap will give her a call like he was suppose to and she offers to help look for Bucky and as payment they end up getting that coffee. They start dating and falling for each other. Peggy dies they both attend the funeral and discover the truth.

Then that international incident happens with Crossbones causing many civilian deaths where the Avengers get blamed and the world governments enact that superhero regulation. Since Sharon works for the CIA she has to enforce it or whatever I'm not Markus nor McFeely.

 

[Voltron]

Also Nat told Cap to call Sharon. But in AoU that happens a year after TWS it's obvious that Cap didn't call her. Then with CW that'll be 2 years since the events of TWS. Who calls someone out of the blue after 2 years? Who knows maybe they run into each other again.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Also Nat told Cap to call Sharon. But in AoU that happens a year after TWS it's obvious that Cap didn't call her. Then with CW that'll be 2 years since the events of TWS. Who calls someone out of the blue after 2 years? Who knows maybe they run into each other again.

The way I'd do it is that Steve DID call her after TWS, but Sharon turned him down because she's related to Peggy, and Steve also changed his mind.

And then they meet again at the funeral, which reveals Sharon is related to Peggy for the audience's benefit.

And a little while later, her work with the CIA leads her to ally with Cap's side. Government agencies are known to sabotage each other sometimes, so it might happen. Throughout working together, they develop a rapport and an attraction throughout the movie that they decide to act on in the end. IW can show having with their relationship having progressed to a point where they're living together or something.

Of course with no characters outside the superheroes and villains being announced, like someone who could be Sharon's boss (unless that's who Freeman or Hurt are), there's nothing pointing to the CIA having anything to do with anything.

 

[sergeantbucky]

I don't know either way I think Staron will end in a tragic way, really with everything going on in CW and IW I don't think they will have time for Staron. Nice guys never gets the girl anyway.

Maybe Cap will shoot Sharon at the end of CW instead of the other way around

 

[Mike5575]

Steve seemed more interested in finding Bucky then he did in finding a new love interest. It's possible he may have called her, but it's unlikely. As far as Sharon dying, uh no. No need for the Sharon hate in her own thread.

 

[universeman]

Steve seemed more interested in finding Bucky then he did in finding a new love interest. It's possible he may have called her, but it's unlikely. As far as Sharon dying, uh no. No need for the Sharon hate in her own thread.

For once we agree on something lol, yes Steve did seemed more interested in finding Bucky than a girlfriend. Even Evans said it he's main goal has been finding Bucky, until the Hydra thing happened.

 

[Voltron]

The way I'd do it is that Steve DID call her after TWS, but Sharon turned him down because she's related to Peggy, and Steve also changed his mind.

But it doesn't make sense that Nat tells Cap to call her, only for her to reject him again? One of the reasons I thought she turned him down in the first place was bc she was working protecting him and it was a conflict of interest if she went out with him. From AoU it just didn't seem like he called her and from what others have said didn't seem interested in finding love. He seems more interested in avenging and training in the new academy.

And then they meet again at the funeral, which reveals Sharon is related to Peggy for the audience's benefit.

And a little while later, her work with the CIA leads her to ally with Cap's side. Government agencies are known to sabotage each other sometimes, so it might happen. Throughout working together, they develop a rapport and an attraction throughout the movie that they decide to act on in the end. IW can show having with their relationship having progressed to a point where they're living together or something.

Of course with no characters outside the superheroes and villains being announced, like someone who could be Sharon's boss (unless that's who Freeman or Hurt are), there's nothing pointing to the CIA having anything to do with anything.

I can see this happening. This is where they pick it up from where he didn't end up calling her. They end up working together first like in the comics.

 

[Voltron]

Steve seemed more interested in finding Bucky then he did in finding a new love interest. It's possible he may have called her, but it's unlikely.

Yeah it didn't seem like he called her at all. But in an EW interview http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/2...-chris-evans-wonders-…-captain-america-virgin, Evans did say, "but the reconnection with Bucky, and ultimately a relationship with a woman." I was a bit disappointed that he didn't mention Sharon in some capacity in this article, unless he was told by Marvel not to say anything so it'll leave some surprises for the audience.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

But it doesn't make sense that Nat tells Cap to call her, only for her to reject him again? One of the reasons I thought she turned him down in the first place was bc she was working protecting him and it was a conflict of interest if she went out with him. From AoU it just didn't seem like he called her and from what others have said didn't seem interested in finding love. He seems more interested in avenging and training in the new academy.

You're assuming Nat knows Sharon well, though. She might know Sharon as an acquaintance and just think she'd be good for Steve without considering how Sharon might feel about it. Nat didn't recognize who Peggy is, after all.

I'm not sure how Steve calling Sharon or not would even come up if he did call her.

 

[MbJ]

Yeah barring a very short scene where he talked with Sam (who for plot purposes was more relevant to the film at hand) Steve's personal life didn't really come up at all during Age of Ultron.

For all we know he did call her and she just wasn't available to come to the party for whatever reason.

 

[warhorse78]

You're assuming Nat knows Sharon well, though. She might know Sharon as an acquaintance and just think she'd be good for Steve without considering how Sharon might feel about it. Nat didn't recognize who Peggy is, after all.

I'm not sure how Steve calling Sharon or not would even come up if he did call her.

This kind of bugged me about the movie. We know Natasha was sent to work for Tony to keep an eye on him. She knows who his father is, she would probably have known about any aquaintences he had, and I'm also surprised, considering she works for Shield, that she is not aware of the founding members of Shield. Heck, didn't Peggy have a video praising Cap at the Captain America museum? She was not exactly in hiding. Natasha is supposed to be a superspy, very surprised to see this little tidbit of information missing her.

 

[sergeantbucky]

Steve seemed more interested in finding Bucky then he did in finding a new love interest. It's possible he may have called her, but it's unlikely. As far as Sharon dying, uh no. No need for the Sharon hate in her own thread.

Haha what? I'm not hating, I was joking since Universe was going on about how Staron will end tragically.

 

[TalismanRing]

This kind of bugged me about the movie. We know Natasha was sent to work for Tony to keep an eye on him. She knows who his father is, she would probably have known about any aquaintences he had, and I'm also surprised, considering she works for Shield, that she is not aware of the founding members of Shield. Heck, didn't Peggy have a video praising Cap at the Captain America museum? She was not exactly in hiding. Natasha is supposed to be a superspy, very surprised to see this little tidbit of information missing her.

I posted the alternate/extended storyboard of the scene in the TWS section. It has Nat saying looking at Peggy's portrait after and saying "Oh" after which I took to mean she finally recognized her. Which makes far more sense because those AOS agents know who Carter is but Nat who is their top spy doesn't? Unbelievable. Even if ridiculously she didn't know her as the former co-creator and head of SHIELD she would have known her from Steve's file.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I took 'oh' to mean that she picked up on her being someone who was 'close' to Steve.

There's a difference between Jemma and Widow. Jemma is a dyed in the wool SHIELD agent, who perhaps working for SHIELD had been a dream.

Natasha started out as an enemy until Hawkeye sought another option. Working for SHIELD to stay alive, and later to atone for her sins. It is unlikely that she'd dreamed of working for SHIELD, and unlike Jemma, she wouldn't have had much reason to familiarize herself with the organization's past.

 

[Voltron]

You're assuming Nat knows Sharon well, though. She might know Sharon as an acquaintance and just think she'd be good for Steve without considering how Sharon might feel about it. Nat didn't recognize who Peggy is, after all.

I'm not sure how Steve calling Sharon or not would even come up if he did call her.

Wait, we're assuming Cap called her to ask her out again. Maybe he just called for a chat about work or something, and they gradually became friends this past two years. Then when they start working together that's when they become closer.

Also, Cap got upset when he found out Sharon was spying on him. But he didn't get upset with Nat and Fury who both knew that Sharon/Kate was spying on him.

Also when Nat suggested for Cap to ask the nurse across the hall out, this implied that Cap has spoken to Nat about Kate/Sharon before.

 

[Voltron]

This kind of bugged me about the movie. We know Natasha was sent to work for Tony to keep an eye on him. She knows who his father is, she would probably have known about any aquaintences he had, and I'm also surprised, considering she works for Shield, that she is not aware of the founding members of Shield. Heck, didn't Peggy have a video praising Cap at the Captain America museum? She was not exactly in hiding. Natasha is supposed to be a superspy, very surprised to see this little tidbit of information missing her.

Maybe she was playing dumb and was waiting for him to open up to her, but she never did.

 

[Stevie2020]

Maybe she was playing dumb and was waiting for him to open up to her, but she never did.

When I first saw TWS, I took it on face value that she didn't know "who's the girl?" when she saw Peggy's portrait. But then it would totally make sense that she was fishing for a response.

Wait, we're assuming Cap called her to ask her out again. Maybe he just called for a chat about work or something, and they gradually became friends this past two years. Then when they start working together that's when they become closer.

Also, Cap got upset when he found out Sharon was spying on him. But he didn't get upset with Nat and Fury who both knew that Sharon/Kate was spying on him.

Also when Nat suggested for Cap to ask the nurse across the hall out, this implied that Cap has spoken to Nat about Kate/Sharon before.

Fury was dying, and he'd already had it out with him about being lied to regarding the mission. Cap had it out with Nat twice about the same issue. Cap's attitude with Sharon was all about Sharon's part in the lies that surround him.

And maybe Cap talked to Nat about his neighbor or maybe Nat's been over to Cap's place and noticed he had a cute neighbor. The latter is more likely.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Wait, we're assuming Cap called her to ask her out again. Maybe he just called for a chat about work or something, and they gradually became friends this past two years. Then when they start working together that's when they become closer.

That works but the ending of TWS had Natasha recommend that Steve call her in a romantic sense. Though, not that I mention it, it might not have been a romantic sense at all.

I don't understand the point about the rest of your post, however.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

When I first saw TWS, I took it on face value that she didn't know "who's the girl?" when she saw Peggy's portrait. But then it would totally make sense that she was fishing for a response.

I don't really see this. Steve isn't the kind of guy you need to fish with, that's kind of a big deal with him. He's the one to extend the hand of friendship, and Natasha asked him questions head on, vis has he been kissing anyone recently, and Steve answered.

 

[Voltron]

Fury was dying, and he'd already had it out with him about being lied to regarding the mission. Cap had it out with Nat twice about the same issue. Cap's attitude with Sharon was all about Sharon's part in the lies that surround him.

I think Cap came to terms that they're spies and lying at times comes with the business.

And maybe Cap talked to Nat about his neighbor or maybe Nat's been over to Cap's place and noticed he had a cute neighbor. The latter is more likely.

Or maybe both. But remember Nat already knew Sharon was spying on Cap, hence on why she knew her real name.