Iron Man 2 SHIELD/Avengers complaints...

[Turtles]

It seems somewhat logical that when Avengers starts, Stark could still be in his role as "consultant" and producing tech for the Avengers to use. I think any number of scenarios could come up that would cause him to not listen to Fury, suit up in the armor and come out to assist as Iron Man.

That's exactly what I am thinking is going to happen. Tony will stay as a consultant, maybe they'll even make Rhodey a part of the Avengers at first, since Natasha's report says Iron Man, Yes. Tony, No. So we'll probably have Rhodey be part of the team as War Machine, maybe he'll even don the Iron Man armor, and later, when **** hits the fan, Tony will join the battle as Iron Man.

I'd like Captain America to play a role in getting Tony on the team. They're really good friends and allies in the comics, and I'd like to see that show in the Avengers movie.

Maybe Cap could convince Fury that Tony should be on the team?

The only Avengers stuff was the Cap shield and the final scene, which was basically a TIH scene. Why were people not complaining about Stark showing up in a Hulk movie?

This is what I'm trying to figure out, when it happened then it was the coolest thing ever, now it's not, a little under two years later?

It's typical for these boards...all you heard for years was how all the Marvel movies need to be in the same universe....now we get it....and lo and behold it's a problem.

I'm telling you, it's just because the Avengers movie has been announced. People expect to see Marvel promote the Avengers movie like crazy, so all they let themselves see is Marvel promoting the Avengers movie like crazy.

It kinda makes you wonder how the X-Men movies would have been perceived if X-Men Origins: Wolverine had been announced earlier? Could you imagine people complaining about there being too many mentions of Wolverine's past, etc. in those movies? X2 would have been written off as one big advertisement for the Wolverine movie faster than you could say "fickle fanboys."

What strikes me as a little odd about Marvel's obsession with Avengers is that it really won't make much more money than the single superhero films. The demographic watching these movies is exactly the same. It's not like Avengers will make 2 or 3 times as much.

Almost, but not entirely.

Think about it: there are fans of Marvel, and then there are fans of specific Marvel characters. A fan of Marvel would probably see any movie made by Marvel, but a fan of a specific character will, probably, only see movies with that specific character in it. For example, a fan of ONLY Thor might not pay to see the Captain America and Iron Man movies, but he would pay to see the Thor and Avengers movie.

So, the Avengers movie has a chance to attract more people (and in turn make more money) than the solo movies because it appeals to a wide range of Marvel fans, not just one or two select groups (not just Cap fans, or Thor fans, or Iron Man fans). Plus, it's the novelty of it. It'll be the first movie of it's kind, and I think movies like Avatar and TDK prove that "firsts" can get a lot of extra attention from the general public.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think the whole Avengers thing will appeal to general movie goers too. And even bonafide cinephiles.

I mean, what Marvel is doing has never been done before really, not with blockbusters anyway. I think people will be at least intrigued by the prospect of a interconnected movie universe.

 

[dark_b]

I think the whole Avengers thing will appeal to general movie goers too. And even bonafide cinephiles.

I mean, what Marvel is doing has never been done before really, not with blockbusters anyway. I think people will be at least intrigued by the prospect of a interconnected movie universe.

so what if some dont like Thor but like IM. or what if they like IM but not Thor and CA?

will they watch the movie?

they will ,right? because you all like Avengers

 

[jmc]

Here's the thing I want to know, what if IM is the only character who's had a decent reception by the time Avengers comes out? What happens to Avengers then, especially from a marketing perspective? If the other characters don't make an impact like IM are people really going to be that intrigued by the prospect of a team up film? Now if Thor and Cap do well then there's no issue, however if they don't then what? Is there a contingency for Avengers in case of this situation? Does Iron Man become the main marketing focus?

 

[Mr. Earle]

I dont know what will happen jmc, but i like how Marvel is handling it and i'm wishing for the best. Many of us were asking for wide DC and Marvel movieverses and now we re getting that with Marvel. Its chances of failure are big, but who cares? They re giving us what we want!
Besides, if say Thor fails, then there wont be a sequel for it but he'll still be in the Avengers where they 'll have one more chance to promote him to the general audience.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

so what if some dont like Thor but like IM. or what if they like IM but not Thor and CA?

will they watch the movie?

they will ,right? because you all like Avengers

Forget the Avengers for a sec, in fact forget that they are comic book movies for a sec...

I mean the whole idea of an actual movieverse will interest people IMO. It's a new way to tell stories in film form, it's never been done before. Unless you count Kevin Smith's movies... but i'm talking big blockbusting action movies here, all sharing the same universe on screen.

I just think that whole idea is very intriging, whether they are comic book movies or not.

There is a big risk to this whole plan for sure, but then that makes it even more interesting i think. Can they pull it off? I'm confident they can.

 

[dark_b]

Forget the Avengers for a sec, in fact forget that they are comic book movies for a sec...

I mean the whole idea of an actual movieverse will interest people IMO. It's a new way to tell stories in film form, it's never been done before. Unless you count Kevin Smith's movies... but i'm talking big blockbusting action movies here, all sharing the same universe on screen.

I just think that whole idea is very intriging, whether they are comic book movies or not.

There is a big risk to this whole plan for sure, but then that makes it even more interesting i think. Can they pull it off? I'm confident they can.

in the name of god. GOD.

when will you understand that the general public doesnt care about the comics and all the connections. they buy a ticket for that specific character for that specific movie in that day.

stop thinking like a comic book marvel universe fan.

i am happy for you Ace. you will get a marvel universe in a cinematic format on huge budgets . but it doesnt have anything to do with the general public.

we can bash and complain about all the details about comicbook movies. but if you watch at the BO it never matters . it never matters if they are faithfull. if WB makes a superman movie without a cape that is in the story designed for the general public they will watch it .they dont care if IM armor is red or if spidermans firt girl is MJ and not Gwen. they dont care.

for christ sake a guy in my theater said that TIH was a sequel to Hulk 2003. why wouldnt he connect it? he saw the movie 5 years ago and the movie ended in the jungle and the new movie started next to the jungle .


if this fails we will not have stand alone movies.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not thinking about comics either. I'm talking movies. 4 solo films then they meet up for some massive fight in the 5th... the general public will love that.

 

[dark_b]

how many complains are about the x-men fights? how not every character gets their own epic long fight.because you can not do it.

not every Thor,CA,IM and Hulk fan will get their own epic fight. i dont buy that for a second.

 

[Mr. Earle]

how many complains are about the x-men fights? how not every character gets their own epic long fight.

That's because those movies were centered around Wolverine.

because you can not do it.

not every Thor,CA,IM and Hulk fan will get their own epic fight. i dont buy that for a second.

Cool strawman arguement there bro. Just because Singer didnt do it, nobody can.
In a similar fashion, just because Nolan cant do good fight scenes nobody else can.

 

[FaT_tONle]

You guys are ignorant if you don't think Hulk, IM, and Captain America in the same movie won't excite anyone beyond Marvel fans. Tell me dark... are they making a Tron Legacy movie to drag in only the nuts who were crazy about the 80's movie that no one remembers? I am telling you right now, the average folk will peak an eyebrow if they see a trailer with all that stuff going on. Maybe Thor would be out of place, but there isn't anyone in the country who can't recognize Cap, IM, and the Hulk if you show them a comic, or a photo. If this stuff didn't intrigue average folk, there is no way the genre would have made it this far. As far as Thor and Cap under performing, yeah we can be pessimistic. I am pessimistic about GL, and if that fails, DC will be forever reduced to Batman and maybe Superman once in a blue moon. Obviously that is of no help to anyone, but we are far from that point to start panicking.

 

[gridlockd]

Sorry if it's been asked and answered but...

It's said that Tony's father was a founder of SHIELD, presumbably back in the 60s or so.
But in the first movie, they didn't even have the acronym yet. ("We're working on it") So was that agent kidding or just being annoying? Or did the Shield organization really exist for 40 years without anyone realizing those letters spelled SHIELD?

 

[the dmg]

Sorry if it's been asked and answered but...

It's said that Tony's father was a founder of SHIELD, presumbably back in the 60s or so.
But in the first movie, they didn't even have the acronym yet. ("We're working on it") So was that agent kidding or just being annoying? Or did the Shield organization really exist for 40 years without anyone realizing those letters spelled SHIELD?

They realized it, but I think they were hiding the fact in plain sight that the group Coulson belonged to is SHIELD. When I saw it with my friend, who isn't a huge comic buff, he went crazy when Coulson said SHIELD. Plus, it's an organization that the movieverse doesn't necessarily know exists, so if Coulson said he was part of SHIELD, Stark wouldn't know who they are.

 

[roach]

Sorry if it's been asked and answered but...

It's said that Tony's father was a founder of SHIELD, presumbably back in the 60s or so.
But in the first movie, they didn't even have the acronym yet. ("We're working on it") So was that agent kidding or just being annoying? Or did the Shield organization really exist for 40 years without anyone realizing those letters spelled SHIELD?

the organization may not have been called that the whole time

 

[dark_b]

You guys are ignorant if you don't think Hulk, IM, and Captain America in the same movie won't excite anyone beyond Marvel fans. Tell me dark... are they making a Tron Legacy movie to drag in only the nuts who were crazy about the 80's movie that no one remembers? I am telling you right now, the average folk will peak an eyebrow if they see a trailer with all that stuff going on. Maybe Thor would be out of place, but there isn't anyone in the country who can't recognize Cap, IM, and the Hulk if you show them a comic, or a photo. If this stuff didn't intrigue average folk, there is no way the genre would have made it this far. As far as Thor and Cap under performing, yeah we can be pessimistic. I am pessimistic about GL, and if that fails, DC will be forever reduced to Batman and maybe Superman once in a blue moon. Obviously that is of no help to anyone, but we are far from that point to start panicking.

Tron based on the two trailers looks like a 100% movie for the masses.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Tron based on the two trailers looks like a 100% movie for the masses.

So Thor and Cap aren't for the masses but Tron is? Okay...

 

[Figs]

in the name of god. GOD.

when will you understand that the general public doesnt care about the comics and all the connections. they buy a ticket for that specific character for that specific movie in that day.

stop thinking like a comic book marvel universe fan.

Well, maybe you should stop thinking like you know what all of the general audience wants dark.

Believe me, regardless if they don't care about the team up because they're not comic fans like some of us, as long as the action is immense in the trailer they will watch that film.

 

[LightningFlash]

Tron based on the two trailers looks like a 100% movie for the masses.

Uhh....


I'm not interested in watching it.

 

[Son of Coul]

dark, you seriosuly underestimate the GA. You act like they're complete ******s who only rely on what they've seen before. "Oh people don't know Iron Man and think he's a robot, and RDJ is washed up so no one will see Iron Man."

Trust me, there'll be tons of people thinking combining characters from separate franchises to come together for one movie is awesome. Not to mention if the media hypes it up, which you better believe it will. The Avatar trailers and tv spots looked like complete ****, but it was hyped as having "revolutionary 3D" and effects so people flocked to it.

 

[LightningFlash]

PLUS. Robert Downey, Jr. is amazing and so is Edward Norton. Those two will most likely be the "big names" to gather an audience outside of the comic-book fans.

 

[Infinity9999x]

in the name of god. GOD.

when will you understand that the general public doesnt care about the comics and all the connections. they buy a ticket for that specific character for that specific movie in that day.

stop thinking like a comic book marvel universe fan.

Yeah, you're right, the general public would never want to see a movie that has multiple characters they like to see in it. That would never work. It's crazy! It's insane! Ludicrous! Who would ever think of such a thing?

By the way, does anybody want to see The Expendables?

 

[Doctor Jones]

I can see everyone's point. I'm a little on the fence about all this. If Thor and Cap underperform like TIH, what will that mean to The Avengers? Will alot of people still see it? Yeah I think they could actually. Or they may not. If they have no interest in those other characters that mean they will want to see The Avengers? Or is it because everyone is teaming up and the action is immense in the trailers? There's still the fact they don't care about those characters and won't care about them teaming up. It's still all the same.

If Marvel plays their cards right, it could all work fine.

TIH underperformed... well... people still will want to see Hulk and IM, RDJ and Norton on the screen together. There's that.

So I'm going towards the fact that they still will want to see it. It's pretty murky at this point. We won't really know until next year. But you can sure as bet my ass will be in that seat.

 

[Octoberist]

i think the public will be interested in the Avengers and how it connects each Marvel movie, but it doesn't mean that the public will be interested in each character equally.

Like what Doctor Jones said, The Incredible Hulk underperfomance. Of course it was a victim of circumstances (being a reboot 5 years after Ang Lee's version) but still, not enough people talk about that film, outside of comic fans.

Iron Man has the advantage of having two movies under his belt before Avengers so he'll probably remain the most popular character in the film. I don't know how Thor or Captain America will do, and I wish them the best.

 

[dark_b]

dark, you seriosuly underestimate the GA. You act like they're complete ******s who only rely on what they've seen before. "Oh people don't know Iron Man and think he's a robot, and RDJ is washed up so no one will see Iron Man."

Trust me, there'll be tons of people thinking combining characters from separate franchises to come together for one movie is awesome. Not to mention if the media hypes it up, which you better believe it will. The Avatar trailers and tv spots looked like complete ****, but it was hyped as having "revolutionary 3D" and effects so people flocked to it.

cute.

should i bring up how every fan said that watchmen would make money and how Kick Ass was going to be very popular with the GA?

 

[dark_b]

I can see everyone's point. I'm a little on the fence about all this. If Thor and Cap underperform like TIH, what will that mean to The Avengers? Will alot of people still see it? Yeah I think they could actually. Or they may not. If they have no interest in those other characters that mean they will want to see The Avengers? Or is it because everyone is teaming up and the action is immense in the trailers? There's still the fact they don't care about those characters and won't care about them teaming up. It's still all the same.

If Marvel plays their cards right, it could all work fine.

TIH underperformed... well... people still will want to see Hulk and IM, RDJ and Norton on the screen together. There's that.

So I'm going towards the fact that they still will want to see it. It's pretty murky at this point. We won't really know until next year. But you can sure as bet my ass will be in that seat.

you mean fans right?