shooter on the va tech campus

[hippy fascist]

exactly

this guy is famous for killing people alone

and we're all sat here discussing him. He killed who he wanted to kill and he got his fifteen minutes :

 

[Fran]

A couple of my guys are talking about how they don't really feel like seeing Hot Fuzz this weekend due to the constant gunplay. I'm like, I understand, but man....it's gonna be rough for people these next few months or so. Hollywood is already altering and cancelling certain shows and things that seem to be a parallel, from other news stories I've read.

Any noteworthy/important shows to note, terry?

 

[TheDeparted]

A couple of my guys are talking about how they don't really feel like seeing Hot Fuzz this weekend due to the constant gunplay. I'm like, I understand, but man....it's gonna be rough for people these next few months or so. Hollywood is already altering and cancelling certain shows and things that seem to be a parallel, from other news stories I've read.

in the words of our idiot president... doing that is letting the terrorist win...

 

[SapphirePrima]

exactly

this guy is famous for killing people alone

and we're all sat here discussing him. He killed who he wanted to kill and he got his fifteen minutes :

I think this guy is going to have more than that. With him sending all that info to NBC I think he had a whole lot of other plans too.

 

[terry78]

I think one is just a new Law and Order about the shooting of a college student, and I don't know about the other ones. You'll probably hear about it later. I suspect SM3 may have some changes if there's anything too similar.

 

[sassycat]

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20070417%2ftech_shooting_070418

Gunman sent videos to U.S. television network


Here's part of the article:

The Virginia Tech gunman sent videos, writings and photographs to a U.S. television network in the middle of his shooting spree, authorities said Wednesday.


Cho Seung-Hui sent the material to NBC News sometime after murdering two people early Monday morning, but before he fatally shot another 30 people in a classroom building and turned a gun on himself.

"You had a hundred billion chances and ways to avoid today," Cho says in one rambling video clip. "But you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option."

He also specifically mentions Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the teenagers responsible for the 1999 Columbine High School massacre, referring to them as "martyrs."

NBC News did not receive the material until Wednesday morning because of an incorrect mailing address, and handed the package over to investigators. The envelope is time-stamped 9:01 a.m. ET Monday.

It's unclear when Cho began working on the material, and how much -- if any -- was created after his initial shooting spree. In some of the videos he seems to refer to his rampage in the past tense.

"This may be a very new, critical component of this investigation. We're in the process right now of attempting to analyze and evalute its worth," Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia State Police, told reporters.

NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams called the material "disturbing" and a "multimedia manifesto." It contains 27 video files of Cho describing his hatred towards the wealthy, and images of him holding weapons.

The vides were embedded into the paragraphs of a large 1,800-word document, suggesting Cho had put a great deal of work into the manifesto.

***There's also a link to his "video" at the link above.***

WHAT A LOSER!!

 

[C. Lee]

OK people.....let's not make racial comments in here.....the shooter was insane....his genetic lineage has nothing to do with it.

 

[chaseter]

Here is what got me really pissed. This f***er sends out a tape to carry on his legacy and this f***ing idiotic news shows it. That is what he wanted...idiots. Crazies do these things to put their names in history...they want to go out big time and be known forever...and the idiotic MSNBC perpetuates it. Sorry but this is ridiculous. They should have handed over the tapes to the police to hold a private investigation. And to his friends and families...you knew he was this way. His teacher read all his plays he was writting and just recommended he go see the counselor. And to compare himself to Jesus being crucified...WTF! I hope he has fun rotting in hell. Sorry...had to get my anger out.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

OK people.....let's not make racial comments in here.....the shooter was insane....his genetic lineage has nothing to do with it.

Agreed.

Am I the only one that thinks the media is totally making people lose focus on the real issue here? 30-something people are DEAD. Yet, all we can talk about is this guy's culture, guns and mental stability? My thing is--we'll never know his true motives now, so why is the media expending so much energy on the wouldas-couldas-shouldas?

Dude is dead. But the families of these victims are not.

 

[chaseter]

Agreed.

Am I the only one that thinks the media is totally making people lose focus on the real issue here? 30-something people are DEAD. Yet, all we can talk about is this guy's culture, guns and mental stability? My thing is--we'll never know his true motives now, so why is the media expending so much energy on the wouldas-couldas-shouldas?

Dude is dead. But the families of these victims are not.

Thank you very much and I agree. The media is making this into a circus. They showed his full statement on our news last night and did not mention ONCE...about any of the victim's families. This f***er doesn't need any more media time IMO. It is just ridiculous.

 

[demento]

This will be a (insert cable network call sign here) movie of the week in 3...2...1...

 

[The Shape]

Agreed.

Am I the only one that thinks the media is totally making people lose focus on the real issue here? 30-something people are DEAD. Yet, all we can talk about is this guy's culture, guns and mental stability? My thing is--we'll never know his true motives now, so why is the media expending so much energy on the wouldas-couldas-shouldas?

Dude is dead. But the families of these victims are not.

The media coverage is only going to get worse. The "Massacre at Virginia Tech", as they call it, has just begin. They'll milk this tragedy for all it's worth, and it's horrible.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Prayers go out to the students, their families and friends

 

[Shifty]

I think one is just a new Law and Order about the shooting of a college student, and I don't know about the other ones. You'll probably hear about it later. I suspect SM3 may have some changes if there's anything too similar.

Bones had their episode dropped tonight, college student murdered on campus I believe.

 

[Cmill216]

I unsubscribed from this thread yesterday simply because I needed to get away from this story, but I wanted to pop back in to say a few things with all of the new details out there:

1.) The sheer amount of warning signs (between the crazy poetry, counseling, and complaints) is simply astounding. And the very fact that one of the teachers after hearing of the shootings immediately assumed it was this one specific student is just amazing to me.

2.) The university deserves all of the questioning they receive regarding their handling of this situation. How two people are shot on your campus and you don't know where the shooter is, but you decide NOT to lock down the school is beyond me. I mean, how can you jump to such a remarkably large conclusion or assumption that this was "just an isolated murder/suicide domestic dispute?" Unreal.

3.) And after viewing those videos and pictures, that man was as psychotic as they come. Extremely chilling.

 

[Shifty]

I unsubscribed from this thread yesterday simply because I needed to get away from this story, but I wanted to pop back in to say a few things with all of the new details out there:

1.) The sheer amount of warning signs (between the crazy poetry, counseling, and complaints) is simply astounding. And the very fact that one of the teachers after hearing of the shootings immediately assumed it was this one specific student is just amazing to me.

2.) The university deserves all of the questioning they receive regarding their handling of this situation. How two people are shot on your campus and you don't know where the shooter is, but you decide NOT to lock down the school is beyond me. I mean, how can you jump to such a remarkably large conclusion or assumption that this was "just an isolated murder/suicide domestic dispute?" Unreal.

3.) And after viewing those videos and pictures, that man was as psychotic as they come. Extremely chilling.

His roomates and the roomates' friends immediately thought he was the killer once they heard it was an Asian shooter. They hoped it wasn't but that was the first person they thought of.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

2.) The university deserves all of the questioning they receive regarding their handling of this situation. How two people are shot on your campus and you don't know where the shooter is, but you decide NOT to lock down the school is beyond me. I mean, how can you jump to such a remarkably large conclusion or assumption that this was "just an isolated murder/suicide domestic dispute?" Unreal

I believe they did lock down but lifted it. Either way, it was still foolish to get rid of the lock down and loosen security after 2 people were shot and no one was apprehended and no weapons were found.

 

[zanos]

It's the media's job to sensationalize and instill fear into your average american.

 

[ComicChick]

i feel like the news is focussing on what happened, and seemingly forgetting about the lives that were taken.

fortunately, my local newspaper (i live in VA) has on the main page, the names of all those lost, and a brief sentence or two about each, instead of talking about "the biggest shooting in us history" or about the shooter. ( if anyone's interested, i could go find it and type it up.)

My college is under a bomb threat. And like I said, I'm in Virginia, so they're taking it very seriously.

On a side note, back when Columbine happened, a couple weeks later, a school shooting was thwarted at a school like 2 miles from my house. Someone told, and they found an arsenal in their lockers and bags, as well as hit lists. Thank God for whoever told on them.

 

[nosebleed.]

i
fortunately, my local newspaper (i live in VA) has on the main page, the names of all those lost, and a brief sentence or two about each, instead of talking about "the biggest shooting in us history" or about the shooter. ( if anyone's interested, i could go find it and type it up.)

That would be awesome and I'm sure a lot of people (including me) would be really grateful if you went through the trouble...it would help focus the attention where it needs to be.

 

[WorthyStevens]

i feel like the news is focussing on what happened, and seemingly forgetting about the lives that were taken.

fortunately, my local newspaper (i live in VA) has on the main page, the names of all those lost, and a brief sentence or two about each, instead of talking about "the biggest shooting in us history" or about the shooter. ( if anyone's interested, i could go find it and type it up.)

My college is under a bomb threat. And like I said, I'm in Virginia, so they're taking it very seriously.

On a side note, back when Columbine happened, a couple weeks later, a school shooting was thwarted at a school like 2 miles from my house. Someone told, and they found an arsenal in their lockers and bags, as well as hit lists. Thank God for whoever told on them.

That's what I'm afraid of. There's no doubt going to be copycat killings. Hopefully schools will be 110% more careful from now on.

 

[ComicChick]

That would be awesome and I'm sure a lot of people (including me) would be really grateful if you went through the trouble...it would help focus the attention where it needs to be.

will do...

let me go find the newspaper

 

[ComicChick]

the front page of our paper is a picture of the ribbon with Hokie coloring, and nothing else but the names of the victims, and a brief sentence about each following.

Ross Abdallah Alameddine 20, of Saugus, Mass, and english major who friends say was "an intelligent, funny, easygoing guy"

Christopher James Bishop, 35, taught german and helped run an exchange program with a German University

Brian Bluhm 25, of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. his research focused on water quality and he loved Pink Floyd

Ryan Clark, 22, of Martinez, GA., known as "Stack". A friend said "I don't think I ever saw him mad in the 5 years I knew him"

Austin Cloyd, 18, of Champaign, Ill., a freshman known for her thank-you notes. She started a program to rehabiliate homes.

Jocelyn Couture-Nowak, a french instructor, she worked passionately to spread the French language

Daniel Perex Cueva, 21, of Woodbridge, VA. An accomplished swimmer who also played tennis and ran cross-country

Kevin Grenata, 46, engineering science and mechanics professor. Known for his research on how body muscles work.

Matthew Gwaltney, a graduate student, he was researching storm water management in a small watershed in Blacksburg

Caitlin Hammaren, 19, of Westtown, NY. A sophomore. He one-time principal said "She was a leader among our students"

i'll post more in a minute

 

[ComicChick]

Jeremy Herbstritt, 27, of Bellefonte, PA. A graduate student in engineering, he enjoyed working on machinery

Rachel Elizabeth Hill18, of Glen Allen, VA. A freshman, was a deeply religious student, according to her high school educators.

Emily Jane Hilscher, 19, a freshman from Woodville, was known as an animal lover and worked in a veterinarian's office

Jarrett L. Lane, 22, civil engineering senior. "he had a caring heart and was a friend to everyone he met", his brother-in-law said.

Matthew J. La Porte 20, from NJ, was described by his former school as an "exemplary student" and an "inspiration"

Henry Lee, of Roanoke VA, a freshman in computer engineering, emigrated with his family when he was in elementary school.

Liviu Librescu, 76, engineering science and mathematics lecturer. Sacrificed his life to save his students

G. V. Loganathan, 51, civil and environmental engineering professor. Won several awards for excellence in teaching.

Partahi Lumbantoruan, 34, of Indonesia, civil engineering doctoral student

Lauren McCain, 20, of Hampton VA, a freshman, wrote on Myspace that Jesus Christ was "the purpose and love of my life"

Daniel O'Neill, 22, graduate student in engineering. Played guitar and wrote his own songs.

Juan Ramon Ortiz, 26, of Blacksburg, a graduate student in engineering, played in a family band.

Minal Panchal, graduate student from India, often fretted about her decision to move so far from home to go to school.

Erin Peterson, 18, of Centreville, was a star basketball player at Westfield HS in Chantilly, VA

Mike Pohle, 23, of Raritan NJ, was a senior majoring in Biology. he played football and lacrosse at Hunterdon Central High

Julia Pryde, 23, of Middleton NJ, cared about a lot of things and did something about them, a professor said

Mary Karen Read, 19, of Annandale. Her Aunt said "I think she wanted to try to spread her wings"

Reema Samaha, 18, a freshman studying dance and drama. "she brought joy to everyone who knew her", a neighbor said.

Leslie Sherman, 20, a sophomore majoring in history and international studies. She played point guard at West Springfield HS

Maxine Shelly Turner, 22, from Vienna, a senior majoring in chemical engineering, started a sorority to help women in her field.

Nicole Regina White, 20, of Smithfield, a junior majoring in internation studies, was a 2004 Honor graduate of Smithfield High.

The name of one victim was not immediately available.

 

[Sun_Down]

1.) The sheer amount of warning signs (between the crazy poetry, counseling, and complaints) is simply astounding. And the very fact that one of the teachers after hearing of the shootings immediately assumed it was this one specific student is just amazing to me.

2.) The university deserves all of the questioning they receive regarding their handling of this situation. How two people are shot on your campus and you don't know where the shooter is, but you decide NOT to lock down the school is beyond me. I mean, how can you jump to such a remarkably large conclusion or assumption that this was "just an isolated murder/suicide domestic dispute?" Unreal.

From what I read, one of his English teachers was very concerned and even turned some of his writings into the city police or univerisity police. They told her that it wasn't specific enough to warrant any action on their part. She had been tutoring him and tried to get him to open up, but he never did. It's hard to say that she could've really done more, aside from talking to his family (which she might've done).

It is sad, though, that everybody considered him to be at risk, but most people did nothing. I'm not blaming them, though, because it's impossible to know just how somebody else is feeling or how such a troubled person will express their frustration. Most depressed people will eventually overcome their feelings through therapy or simply "getting over it" (less applicable for serious conditions). And most people definitely don't lash out like this. When you see someone who appears depressed, you can't assume that they'll do something like this.

As for the school's response, I completely agree. The assumption that is was an "isolated" incident was ridiculous, especially since they didn't know who did it or why. If there was a shooting in my dorm, I wouldn't expect to just go about the rest of my day like nothing happened. Yes, locking down an entire campus would be very hard, but they didn't even try. Even if they just cancelled classes, that would take a good number of students out of harms way.

And word spreads like wildfire on college campuses, even big ones. My school has 25,000 students and a stranger at the library told me classes were cancelled due to weather one day within minutes of the announcement. Sure, the crisis may not have been averted completely or at all, but it would have at least been a step in the right direction.