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how does one "earn" a beret? i guess i should just look to monica lewinski for the answer to that one. ewwwww....
 
sinewave said:
how does one "earn" a beret? i guess i should just look to monica lewinski for the answer to that one. ewwwww....

Well you can jump out of an airplane and get a red one. Spend 5 months in hell + jump out of an airplane + repel out of helicopters and get a tan one. Spend 2 years in hell + jump out of planes + repel out of helicopters + scooba dive + get tortured + learn a new language + all sorts of insane stuff and earn a green one. Or spend 14 weeks in hell and get a black one.
 
lazur said:
While I'm not completely with Celldog on this issue, I will say the following:

The PERCEPTION to the world (or at least to a LOT of people of the world) is that "hatred" permeates within the Islamic religion. People are beheaded and murdered in countless other ways, open markets bombed, trains bombed, airplanes flown into buildings, and on and on, and ALL in the name of Allah and the Islamic religion.

If some Christian nut somewhere, or even a large group of Christian nuts somewhere, suddenly decided to start beheading people and bombing buildings and killing thousands of people in the name of Jesus Christ, you can bet your a** the typical "Christian right" would be speaking out against it.

With Islam, you don't get the typical "Islamic right" speaking out against the acts of terrorism being commited by these various "extremist" religious groups aka terrorist organizations. Instead, you get complete silence. And SILENCE in my mind is equal to AGREEMENT.

Again, just perception. But many times, perception IS reality.

Just my take on it. Don't crucify or call a jihad against me, please.




You basically said everything I've been talking about. Nice job, too. And it's not safe to agree with ol' Celldog.
 
rodhulk said:
All those references were OT. Jesus made it clear when he said something like this..... "You have heard it said...... but I tell you....."

Jesus came and was the fulfillment of the law as he said himself, so many things changed from the way they were. There was no grace (in the time of law) and sin was to be dealt with in a harsh way at the time.

There was grace in the O.T. That is a common misconception. God didn't have to create a system of atonement so that man could commune with him at all. The sacrificial sytem was a way (though temporary) to aapease God's wrath against mankind. The fact that he waited almost 500 years for the Canaanites to repent of their, beastiality, homosexualty, sorcery, child sacrifice and other sins, before he ordered Joshua to go in a wipe them out, was grace. Even then he told Joshua to give each Canaanite city one more chance to repent before going in. God could have wiped mankind out at any time. But He didn't. Yes punishment was openly more harsh. But God was establishing His moral standards and how serious it was to stray from it!



God was teaching us the penalty of sin in the OT but with Jesus in the NT, he taught us that he really didn't like the penalty of sin and wanted us to avoid that and gave us a way.


True.

God showed us who he really was and what he wanted when the law became fulfilled in Christ.



He revealed Himself more fully in Christ.....yes.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
some choice words from the bible (the one you use Celldog, guess you best start meditation and moving to tibet)

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)


Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)


why is no one talking about this????? :rolleyes: times a billion




I'm not going to answer each one of those. Even if I did, you'd never agree with my answers. So I won't waste my time. But just know this......Jesus' life did not reflect this and Jesus founded Christianity. What God did in the Old Testament for sin was done for a reason. He handled it in a harsh way because man understood nothing else. I found a good article that explains some of this:

God in the Old Testament and New Testament

Christians generally seem to think about the Old Testament and the New Testament as entirely separate works. Specifically, it is generally felt that the God of the Old Testament was mean-spirited and quick to anger. In contrast, Jesus in the New Testament is the essence of Love, Tolerance, Patience and Compassion.
The difference seems so striking that many Christians (and countless non-Christians) generally think about the God described in the Old Testament and the God (Jesus) described in the New Testament as being two entirely separate Beings. But They weren't! God (the Father) and Jesus are simply different presentations of the very same One God. Later Christians (around 300 AD) developed the concept of the Trinity (One God Who appears as though having Three Personalities) in order to find agreement in these issues. Within that concept, God (the Father) and God (Jesus) are Two of the Three Individuals who make up the Trinity (with God, the Holy Spirit, being the Third).

As to a "relationship" between the God described in the OT and the God described in the NT, there is no doubt: They are One and the Same God. Some Christians, and many non-Christians misunderstand that, thinking that Jesus was somehow a "different" God. No, the First Commandment makes absolutely clear that there is One God, and nothing in Christianity challenges that.

The following discussion is simply considering that the descriptions in the OT seem very harsh and powerful, while the descriptions in the NT seem to emphasize Compassion and Love, but both descriptions are certainly describing the very same One God. They first appear so different as to seem to be completely different Beings! But the First Commandment tells us that they are One and the Same God.



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Did God change and become sweet where He used to be harsh? It sure seems so! But, think about that. God is all-knowing. He knows the past, present and future of everything. God is all-powerful. He is capable of instantly teaching or killing anyone or everyone.
How can we then reconcile God's apparent anger and harshness in the Old Testament and Jesus' Gentleness in the New Testament?

I think an answer might be in the types of people that He was dealing with at the time. During ancient times in the Old Testament, about the only thing that got people's attention was raw power. The most powerful warrior would conquer territories and become King. When a more powerful person came along, that King was killed and the new person became King. Authority was almost synonymous with power.

Given such a prevailing attitude, it makes sense that God didn't actually change. He simply presented a different view of Himself. He presented a spectacular Creation in Genesis, and He regularly "smote" whole armies in an instant to permit victory for His favored Tribes.

Consider a human father who finds the need to reprimand a young child. He might easily attempt to seem extremely harsh and powerful, in order to get necessary lessons across.

By the time that Jesus Walked on Earth, men's attitudes had advanced (a little). Jesus consistently demonstrated and taught Love and Generosity and Gentleness. We then had first-hand experience of the wonderful Lovingkindness of God. That Lovingkindness had always been there, even in the apparently harsh Old Testament God. But, during Old Testament times, such Gentleness would have been perceived as weakness, and God knew that. Therefore, even though He Loved His followers very much, it was not appropriate for Him to show it.

Jesus showed us that it was possible to display Lovingkindness without affecting the sense of incredible power that everyone knew that He had. Even during His trial and Crucifixion, most people seemed to believe that He could have instantly swept all that away, but that He knew that He had to suffer through those experiences in order to fulfill Old Testament prophecy.

Therefore, there is actually no distinction or difference between the attitude or the personality of the Old Testament God and the New Testament Jesus. Our One god just displayed different aspects of His personality as necessary for the people He was interacting with.
 
I have to agree with Cell about things changing when Christ came. He shouldn't get all the credit for starting Christianity, Peter was the rock the church was built on.
 
So basically, in the end, Celldog did pretty much like Wilhelm predicted :down.
you don't get it Celldog, there have been COUNTLESS threads where people have explained over and over how Islam is the religion of peace and provided similar explanations (thought to their credit it was their own opinon not some ctrl + v magic) yet you would never accept those and get all frothy at the mouth whenever all those little biased sites you probably frequent post another one of their "Here's why your hate and racism is justified"articles.

:rolleyes: you really don't get it.
 
celldog said:
I'm not going to answer each one of those. Even if I did, you'd never agree with my answers. So I won't waste my time. But just know this......Jesus' life did not reflect this and Jesus founded Christianity. What God did in the Old Testament for sin was done for a reason. He handled it in a harsh way because man understood nothing else. I found a good article that explains some of this



How about using your own words for once?
 
Mr Sparkle said:
So basically, in the end, Celldog did pretty much like Wilhelm predicted :down.
you don't get it Celldog, there have been COUNTLESS threads where people have explained over and over how Islam is the religion of peace and provided similar explanations (thought to their credit it was their own opinon not some ctrl + v magic) yet you would never accept those and get all frothy at the mouth whenever all those little biased sites you probably frequent post another one of their "Here's why your hate and racism is justified"articles.

:rolleyes: you really don't get it.
Best post in the thread.
Let's see a response.
 
Tangled Web said:
I have to agree with Cell about things changing when Christ came. He shouldn't get all the credit for starting Christianity, Peter was the rock the church was built on.

I thought the rock was the rock :confused:
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...Muslims


...........almost worse than dem......

.....dem HO-MO-SECK-CHOO-ULLS....

...........da debull I tells ya :o
 
Didn't Christians do almost all of those same things a couple of years ago?
 
The Last Meatbag said:
Didn't Christians do almost all of those same things a couple of years ago?


What? How dare you! You can't go dredging up the past like that! They're not doing it right this instant, so it doesn't matter!



:spidey:
 
jaguarr said:
I'd say it qualifies as attempted fonticide.

jag

I wish you would quit with corny as heck but funny posts. They make me grow mullets.:down
 
You've got to have mullet-shearers on call 24/7 if you want to dabble in this stuff.
 
Man-Thing said:
CRUSE YOU JAG!!!

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:eek:

They've reproduced!!!! I want the names and address of these people right NOW, mister! They MUST be destroyed! :mad:

jag
 

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