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Should Kerry apologize for his comments about the troops?

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Man-Thing said:
Kerry is a moron. For those of you keeping score at home, John Kerry has now called members of the U.S. military (a) stupid, (b) crazy, (c) murderers, (d) rapists, (e) terrorizers of Iraqi women and children.

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LOL, no he called some specific members (c) murderers, (d) rapists (which they are, I have some soldiers on trial mere minutes from where I live) and rape and murder cause terror in Iraq.

so yeah.

and he has never said "U.S. soldiers are stupid" you know this.
 
Man-Thing said:
I don't think he intended to say it, but is was a slip up. However it shows his disdain for the U.S. military taken with the other things he's said.
despite what he's said in the past, i HIGHLY doubt it was a slip up that revealed some hidden agenda. i mean, honestly, do you really think he believes the military is full of flunkies and home of high school drop outs? do you really believe, that being a vietnam vet himself, he has such disdain for those who are willing to sacrifice their lives for this country?

and its completely ******ed that this is allegedly re-invigorating the republicans and their hopes for the upcoming election. seriously, your basing your chances on a dude, who isnt even running in this election, and his flub in a speech? rather than actual issues? thats so sad and reeks of desperation, you know?
 
Motown Marvel said:
despite what he's said in the past, i HIGHLY doubt it was a slip up that revealed some hidden agenda. i mean, honestly, do you really think he believes the military is full of flunkies and home of high school drop outs? do you really believe, that being a vietnam vet himself, he has such disdain for those who are willing to sacrifice their lives for this country?

and its completely ******ed that this is allegedly re-invigorating the republicans and their hopes for the upcoming election. seriously, your basing your chances on a dude, who isnt even running in this election, and his flub in a speech? rather than actual issues? thats so sad and reeks of desperation, you know?

Have you ever given thought that he did the Vietnam war for the express purpose of running for congress and not because he wanted to defend his country?

Call me cynical.
 
saddest thing here?
this only shows that Kerry has sadly underestimated the blockhead mentality abound in the US right now.
seems that the post 9-11 mentality is "none at all" gawd I'm so ****ing sick of this.

hey dudes, did you know that Saddam had no WMD's get outraged about that one.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
saddest thing here?
this only shows that Kerry has sadly underestimated the blockhead mentality abound in the US right now.
seems that the post 9-11 mentality is "none at all" gawd I'm so ****ing sick of this.

hey dudes, did you know that Saddam had no WMD's get outraged about that one.

Did you know that nobody knew that he might not have had them, though it was his full intent on getting them?

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/....html?id=e92d444b-0e26-4df3-bd7c-a944d3b3106b

Andrew Coyne: Removing Saddam was no mistake
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Font: * * * * Andrew Coyne, National Post
Published: Wednesday, November 01, 2006
Can there be a more attractive literary form than the mea culpa? It shows a becoming humility, and yet a serene self-confidence, a clear eye as much as an open mind. What is it to admit our mistakes, as Pope said, but to say that we are wiser now than we were before? Indeed, I'm tempted to make up some, just to be able to say the same.

Alas, unlike Jonathan Kay, I find myself unable to apply confession's healing balm. My Post colleague and fellow hawk has a spring in his step these days, free at last from that dwindling circle of die-hards in support of the Bush administration's decision to overthrow Saddam Hussein, a policy he now says -- admits! -- was a mistake. Me, I am cursed with infallibility. And so it falls to me to defend the glittering success that is present-day Iraq.

Well, not quite. Jon's point, so far as I can tell, was not the obvious one, that whatever the Americans' success in toppling the Baathist regime, the subsequent occupation has been badly bungled -- there, I've said it -- but that the original decision to invade was wrongheaded in itself; that the whole enterprise was not just mishandled in practice, but mistaken in principle -- as Jon writes, that "it made the world a more dangerous place overall." Well now. If it was a mistake in 2003, presumably it would also have been a mistake in 2004, and 2005, and 2006. That is, if it was a mistake to have removed Saddam, it would be better if he were still in power today.

If we say the world is a more dangerous place with Saddam gone, it seems to me we are obliged to give some thought to what the world would be like had Saddam remained. Fortunately, we have some inkling. The most widely accepted reconstruction of what was going on in Iraq before the invasion, based on intelligence gathered after the regime's fall, is the final report of the Iraq Survey Group, known as the Duelfer Report. This was the report that conclusively established that Saddam had no WMDs after 1991, to the administration's lasting embarrassment.

But what the report also established is that the sanctions regime to which Saddam was subject between the two Gulf wars -- the sanctions imposed by the UN over his failure to reveal how he had disposed of the WMDs he was known to possess before 1991, the sanctions that were supposed to have him "in a box" -- had all but collapsed. Much of this was owing to the infamous Oil for Food program, through which Saddam bribed international officials to look the other way as oil revenues intended to alleviate the suffering of his people were diverted into his own pocket, and thence to purchase arms and weapons technology abroad.

Moreover, as Duelfer makes clear, while Saddam had no supplies of WMDs on hand, he had not disavowed the pursuit of WMDs in future. Far from it: He intended to rebuild the programs just as soon as the last of the sanctions had withered away. And while Saddam was content to let the world believe he had WMDs, when in fact he had none, there would have been no way of knowing if he had acquired them later: the UN inspectors, recall, that were supposed to be the alternative to war were only allowed back in because of the threat of war.

All this, while oil was at $20 a barrel. Now imagine what Saddam might have done with $60 oil. Imagine his cachet with the Arab world, having stared down the UN, having seen off the sanctions, having rebuilt his military. Imagine his reaction to Iran's nuclear program -- or for that matter, Iran's reaction to his. We know that Saddam was well on his way to developing nuclear arms before the first Gulf War, or more specifically before the Israelis bombed the Osirik reactor. But why go through all that time and trouble, when today he could just buy them off the shelf from North Korea?

And now consider that we are still in the shadow of September 11. The Taliban have been toppled and, as critics of the Iraq war would have it, the Americans have kept their "focus" on Afghanistan. That doesn't mean they've caught Osama bin Laden -- the escape from Tora Bora was in 2001, long before the Iraq "distraction" -- but it may well mean he and his followers are in need of a new hideout. We know that they were in continual contact with Saddam, even if Duelfer found that this did not amount to a "relationship." Where in this world would they find a regime more willing to defy the Americans, then at the height of their power? What might they have achieved, within the shelter of a nuclear-armed Iraq?

To say that the invasion was a mistake requires us to believe that, because Saddam had not rebuilt his WMD capacity at the time, he never would. After all that has happened in the last three and a half years, is that a position that can sensibly be maintained? Fortunately, that's a mistake Jon will never have to admit.
 
War Lord said:
Have you ever given thought that he did the Vietnam war for the express purpose of running for congress and not because he wanted to defend his country?

Call me cynical.
hey, im not saying the man is a saint or anything of the sort. im not even trying to convince people to like the guy or to agree with his politics. attack him all you like....but at least attack him on legit things and not some insignifigant flub in a speech trying to contort the intetions of his words to satisfy your own personal disdain for the man. its bulls#!t.
 
War Lord said:
Have you ever given thought that he did the Vietnam war for the express purpose of running for congress and not because he wanted to defend his country?

Call me cynical.
You mean like Bush joining the National Gaurd instead of fighting with his countrymen on the frontlines of Vietnam?
 
War Lord said:
Have you ever given thought that he did the Vietnam war for the express purpose of running for congress and not because he wanted to defend his country?

Call me cynical.


given the short lifespans of soldiers in combat it's highly unlikely.
 
Man-Thing said:
I don't think he intended to say it, but is was a slip up. However it shows his disdain for the U.S. military taken with the other things he's said.
Can't someone oppose a war and still want what's best for the service members? :huh:
 
War Lord said:
Have you ever given thought that he did the Vietnam war for the express purpose of running for congress and not because he wanted to defend his country?

Call me cynical.

absolutely ridiculous and illogical assumption
 
I voted no, whether he meant it or it was taken out of context, or it was that bush homework thing on the first page, it honestly wasn't a horrible comment. A bit rude possibly, but he didn't insult the military or use any derogatory comments to them. At worst his comment is somewhat true as the military is used by some ppl as a means to get college money, at best it was taken completely out of context. I know a few ppl that went to the military after high school just for a means to go to college because they couldn't afford it, they were in no way dumb, they simply didn't have the funds at that time and they thought they'd serve their country while getting cash to better themselves.

(Off Topic some, sry)
Honestly I expect more of this closer it gets to elections. It's funny because I was close to getting out of high school when Bush and Al Gore were going at it, and really didn't care for politics at the time. I had liked Clinton before, so somewhere in my subconcious I thought maybe not all politics were too bad and thought I should give the next election a try. When Kerry went against Bush for Bush's second term it was my first honest attempt at wanting to vote, and it completely turned me off to it.

I listened to the debates, and both dodged almost everything. When Kerry kinda won the first debate suddenly all these things about his military service came up, and I thought it was disgusting. Aside from the fact that he served and I didn't, or that he served and Bush left the military early if I'm right, it just didn't seem to have much to do with what they were talking about. Whether him speaking against the war was good or bad back in Vietnam, I honestly don't know as it was before I was born, I just didn't see what it had to do with the state of War we were in or about Social Security. Not that I didn't care, or see how it could speak some on his character, I just have this thing about anyone that serves deserves respect unless they've commited war crimes. Ended up not voting, and now (with this current topic) I honestly just can't see what what he did or didn't say has to do with two ppl running for an office he's not. Which is why I get disgusted with politics lol, k stepping back out :).
 
Good conclusion.

F**k the democrats and republicans. Go Independent!

Just f**k politics in general. God.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

This is just another neo-con attempt to change the subject away from there piss poor record.

The sad part is that it's working. The Right would rather fight over this dumb sh** than talk about the real problems of the country. He's apologized, Now get over it already and lets get on with the real issues of the world.:whatever:
 
Bad thing too is, aside from me thinking he honestly didn't mean it as an insult to the military, is the fact that he himself served. Whatever you think about what he did when he came back doesn't change the fact that he did indeed serve, if he was insulting the intelligence of anyone who joins the military, then he would have been insulting himself as well.

Like said above tho it's stupid, and it's equally as stupid that we as a country get side tracked so easily during political races. One man could be for public executions and be against everything most American's are for, but if he can bring out an embarrassing past story on his opponent and is of whatever the current popular choice is and is handsome then he gets the auto win.

Which is why I really think we need a good third side, I mean we have others, independent, green and so on, but none great choices or get good exposure either. Not to count the most famous third party candidate, atleast that I can remember, is Ross Perot and that's not saying much lol.
 
no. i don't think he should apologize.
and i don't think it was a joke either.
he may have not worded it as well as he could have, because obviously, him being a veteran of one of the most senseless wars this country has waged himself, he would be calling himself uneducated.
i think he was referring to the fact that the poor, usually less educated, end up in the military either as their only option as a means to support themselves and family, or the only way they have to pay for school.
i think it's pretty ****ty that he had to make it sound like it was a joke in the first place.
he should have stood by his comment and given the reasons why he said it.
they are undeniable facts.
 
Superman said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

This is just another neo-con attempt to change the subject away from there piss poor record.

The sad part is that it's working. The Right would rather fight over this dumb sh** than talk about the real problems of the country. He's apologized, Now get over it already and lets get on with the real issues of the world.:whatever:

Neo-con? Define neo-con for me and then explain how it applies to people who dislike Kerry, not only for what he just did, but for the idiot he is.

"Neo-cons" didn't get up on national TV and insult the military. Kerry did. Whatever spotlight has been shown on him is HIS fault - not "neo-cons". So why don't you try putting blame where it's due and quit blaming "the other guy" for the problems in YOUR party.
 
And I get a kick out of all of the people in this thread saying crap like "I'm not saying I like Kerry, BUT ... " and then defending the man for his stupidity in front of a microphone.

Some of you are moderate and for that I commend you, but the rest of you are hypocrits. Why? Because some of you who are asking for objectivity in this particular situation with Kerry are the same ones who refuse to deal with objectivity when it concerns Bush, and anyone who DOES ask for objectivity, or who defends Bush against mindless attacks is dubbed "a blind supporter of Bush". Just pathetic. I guess that means that you should be referred to as "blind supporters of Kerry".
 
lazur said:
And I get a kick out of all of the people in this thread saying crap like "I'm not saying I like Kerry, BUT ... " and then defending the man for his stupidity in front of a microphone.

Some of you are moderate and for that I commend you, but the rest of you are hypocrits. Why? Because some of you who are asking for objectivity in this particular situation with Kerry are the same ones who refuse to deal with objectivity when it concerns Bush, and anyone who DOES ask for objectivity, or who defends Bush against mindless attacks is dubbed "a blind supporter of Bush". Just pathetic. I guess that means that you should be referred to as "blind supporters of Kerry".

Honestly doubt your talking to me as I don't remember every defending Bush lol, so I'll skip past that. I will say tho that you don't have to agree with someone but can defend them on something. I don't like his politics, didn't vote for or against him or anything, but in this case I don't feel he's done anything wrong as I don't feel it was an insult to the military he was once a part of (and in turn would be insulting himself). It's just simply that if someone didn't do something wrong or worth apologizing over, whats wrong with saying they shouldn't have to? It doesn't matter who your back politically one way or the other, someone should only apologize if they did something wrong, and in this case a huge deals being made to detract from political issues all over something that most likely wasn't meant as, and wasn't an insult. I honestly don't think any sane American thinks our troops are stupid in any way, say what you will, but I wouldn't feel as safe as I do if our army couldn't handle the weapons and technology they do on a daily basis, and weren't as brave as they are. Kerry aside from having gone thru the training and know that you just don't charge forward blasting but think on your feet, he also is a politician and at the least wouldn't purposely insult the military that so many of us in the country are proud of.
 
lazur said:
Neo-con? Define neo-con for me and then explain how it applies to people who dislike Kerry, not only for what he just did, but for the idiot he is.

"Neo-cons" didn't get up on national TV and insult the military. Kerry did. Whatever spotlight has been shown on him is HIS fault - not "neo-cons". So why don't you try putting blame where it's due and quit blaming "the other guy" for the problems in YOUR party.
^ A perfect example of what I'm talking about.:whatever:
 
He has said something that many members of the military took as an insult. Even if he didnt mean it as a shot to the troops he should still apologize for not being more clear.
 

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