Should Kerry apologize for his comments about the troops?

[maxwell's demon]

And I get a kick out of all of the people in this thread saying crap like "I'm not saying I like Kerry, BUT ... " and then defending the man for his stupidity in front of a microphone.

Some of you are moderate and for that I commend you, but the rest of you are hypocrits. Why? Because some of you who are asking for objectivity in this particular situation with Kerry are the same ones who refuse to deal with objectivity when it concerns Bush, and anyone who DOES ask for objectivity, or who defends Bush against mindless attacks is dubbed "a blind supporter of Bush". Just pathetic. I guess that means that you should be referred to as "blind supporters of Kerry".

God i hope you're not referring to me there, Lazur.

 

[Darthphere]

So the guy apologizes, for real. So what do you guys want now? Tar and feather him? Chop his head off? At this moment, its a non-issue, Bush got the apology he wanted, so can we move along with the real issues now?

 

[lazur]

God i hope you're not referring to me there, Lazur.

There are a lot of people on this board who dub themselves a "moderate" in the hopes that othes will perceive them as objective. It's a crock. A true moderate sees the good (and bad) in EVERYONE, voting for the person with whom they *most* agree.

Bush has done some pretty damned GOOD things in his term, but he has also done some pretty damned BAD things. The problem I have is when someone comes out 100% against someone, no matter what they do. Bush could single handedly save a baby from a deadly house fire and come away injured, and the venom torward him on this board wouldn't stop even for a second. Someone would probably call it some kind of media/government conspiracy to make him look better to the world, or something as equally ridiculous.

The problem I have with THIS particular group of people on THIS particular message forum is that if someone defends ANYthing Bush does, that person is labelled a "neo-con" or "Bush lover". Yet, the reverse isn't true, or isn't expected. Kerry does something that's absolutely IDIOTIC on national TV and those same people come to his defense along with a disclaimer of "well I don't like the guy, but...". There IS no but! The guy said something stupid on national TV. Let's not dance around the issue. Call a spade a spade for Christ sakes and quit "playing" politics.

And no, this isn't directed at you, Max, unless you think it should be??

 

[Darthphere]

Theres no such thing as a moderate.

 

[lazur]

Theres no such thing as a moderate.

In your opinion.

 

[Darthphere]

Nah, thats a fact. Everyone will always have some underlining bias.

 

[lazur]

Nah, thats a fact. Everyone will always have some underlining bias.

That's an opinion. A moderate votes his conscience - not along party lines. I voted my conscience when I voted for Clinton both times, just as I voted my conscience when I voted for Bush Jr. both times.

 

[Darthphere]

That's an opinion. A moderate votes his conscience - not along party lines. I voted my conscience when I voted for Clinton both times, just as I voted my conscience when I voted for Bush Jr. both times.

You have a guilty consience, and for the record, you can say it all you want, just because you voted for Clinton, doesnt make you a moderate, it just means Bush Sr. and Bob Dole were horrible candidates.

 

[lazur]

You have a guilty consience, and for the record, you can say it all you want, just because you voted for Clinton, doesnt make you a moderate, it just means Bush Sr. and Bob Dole were horrible candidates.

You were four years old when I voted for Clinton. What would you know about what I was thinking at the time? Are you always so presumptuous on subjects about which you know absolutely nothing?

 

[bulok]

I think this is a case of "Much ado about nothing"

 

[Darthphere]

You were four years old when I voted for Clinton. What would you know about what I was thinking at the time? Are you always so presumptuous on subjects about which you know absolutely nothing?

Yes. Its ok, you can continue being a faux moderate, its not like it effects me personally. But using the whole "I voted for Clinton so im a moderate" thing is makakka. For example, im voting for Charlie Crist for Governor of Florida, he is a republican, and I believe is the better candidate. Im a registered democrat. Does that make me a moderate?

Edit: And technically, I was 5 years and 11 months old.

 

[maxwell's demon]

There are a lot of people on this board who dub themselves a "moderate" in the hopes that othes will perceive them as objective. It's a crock. A true moderate sees the good (and bad) in EVERYONE, voting for the person with whom they *most* agree.

Bush has done some pretty damned GOOD things in his term, but he has also done some pretty damned BAD things. The problem I have is when someone comes out 100% against someone, no matter what they do. Bush could single handedly save a baby from a deadly house fire and come away injured, and the venom torward him on this board wouldn't stop even for a second. Someone would probably call it some kind of media/government conspiracy to make him look better to the world, or something as equally ridiculous.

The problem I have with THIS particular group of people on THIS particular message forum is that if someone defends ANYthing Bush does, that person is labelled a "neo-con" or "Bush lover". Yet, the reverse isn't true, or isn't expected. Kerry does something that's absolutely IDIOTIC on national TV and those same people come to his defense along with a disclaimer of "well I don't like the guy, but...". There IS no but! The guy said something stupid on national TV. Let's not dance around the issue. Call a spade a spade for Christ sakes and quit "playing" politics.

And no, this isn't directed at you, Max, unless you think it should be??

no i certainly don't.

The problem i've had with you Lazur, more lately than in the past, is that you seem to be of this "you budge first" mentality*. Maybe you have some moderate views- but i haven't really seen them.
I REALLY don't think you're a neo-con (<--and there is a sort of stringent deifnition i apply there), or even a true blind bush supporter, but i will say that whatever criticism i've seen from you on Bush (and it's been scant at best) has rapidly been downplayed or swept under the rug.

and once again- really explain to me- what is "playing politics". In a way i am playing dumb, but in another way i'm not. what's 'politics' to you, to begin with? is it a dirty word? because if it is, well there's really not point in discussing it is there?

* (and honesltly on thes boards, with what you encounter regularly, i kinda get why. i do)

 

[maxwell's demon]

That's an opinion. A moderate votes his conscience - not along party lines. I voted my conscience when I voted for Clinton both times, just as I voted my conscience when I voted for Bush Jr. both times.

see, there you go right there. i started writing this before i even saw your comment, but i'm glad your'e the one who wrote that.


Would i possibly have been happier with Kerry as president? sure- but i wouldnt have been HAPPY. just happIER. and not by much. That's why i "thew my vote away"(whatever THAT means) on Nader. because i had to vote my conscience and i couldn't live with knowing i'd actively voted for EITHER of those two dorks.

I started out in this thread saying that i immediately 'got' what Kerry meant. That wasn't a lie. I did. I couldn't even see the other interpretation till i took a second look. NOT because i hate Bush, but because i know Kerry does and i know how he talks, having watched him inthe '04 campaign. hey, call me a contextual thinker/reader. maybe if more people viewed things IN CONTEXT (and with some common sense) we'd all be better off.

Now, that having been said.... Do i think what Kerry said was "cool" or "funny?". NO. Kerry SUCKS at humor. I am glad he stuck to his guns because he didnt' say anything "Wrong". but he SUCKS At humor and i don't know why he keeps trying.

So when you take this particular issue and decide that everyone HAS to see it your way, or else they're a "blind Kerry supporter" ..well, that's why it gets to me.

 

[Duende Verde]

All you have to do is watch a complete video, one that has the reaction that follows Kerry's joke. Everybody laughs, there were no gasp or "did he just say what I think he said?" moments, they all got the joke. On the news they immediatelly cut after his comments.

 

[maxwell's demon]

people who passively accept things they see on TV as "the truth" annoy me

 

[sinewave]

I don't think he intended to say it, but is was a slip up. However it shows his disdain for the U.S. military taken with the other things he's said.

how can you say it was a slip up and then say it shows his disdain for the military? doesn't that last part contradict the first? why in the world would you think a veteran would have disdain for the military? especially one in government. your opinion doesn't sound very rational.

 

[War Lord]

lol, an opinion article.

seriously?

No such thing as an article that isn't ultimately an opinion.

 

[sinewave]

Have you ever given thought that he did the Vietnam war for the express purpose of running for congress and not because he wanted to defend his country?

Call me cynical.

so, you're saying he risked his life in a war zone in an attempt to make himself a more attractive congressional candidate in the future? that sounds rather outlandish. i mean, i could see if he joined, say, the alabama national guard to avoid a tour in vietnam while also allowing him to pencil in a stint with the military on his resume. that i could buy, but putting his life on the line, that just shows how dedicated he is to his country.

 

[War Lord]

so, you're saying he risked his life in a war zone in an attempt to make himself a more attractive congressional candidate in the future? that sounds rather outlandish. i mean, i could see if he joined, say, the alabama national guard to avoid a tour in vietnam while also allowing him to pencil in a stint with the military on his resume. that i could buy, but putting his life on the line, that just shows how dedicated he is to his country.

doubt it.

People risk their lives all the time to attain power, glory and wealth.

Why would Kerry be different?

 

[maxwell's demon]

No such thing as an article that isn't ultimately an opinion.

it took you that long to come up with that?

edit..ahh screw it.

 

[Matt]

so, you're saying he risked his life in a war zone in an attempt to make himself a more attractive congressional candidate in the future? that sounds rather outlandish. i mean, i could see if he joined, say, the alabama national guard to avoid a tour in vietnam while also allowing him to pencil in a stint with the military on his resume. that i could buy, but putting his life on the line, that just shows how dedicated he is to his country.

Exactly, no one would risk their life in something like that to make their chance of being in Congress better. Especially being as Kerry was a pampered rich boy, and lets face it...in Massachusettes that is really all you need to get elected to Congress.

 

[Matt]

doubt it.

People risk their lives all the time to attain power, glory and wealth.

Why would Kerry be different?

I mean, look at you...you have sacrificed 20 + extra years of living with your parents, thus destroying any prospect of a social life or sex life in order to open a gas station that in all likely hood will fail as 90 % of all small businesses do leaving you as a manager of whichever gas station your mother corporation sticks you at, making a few dollars over the minimum wage.

You've sacrificed a lot Jonty, and we salute you.

 

[maxwell's demon]

that was jsut mean.

 

[Matt]

that was jsut mean.

...yea

 

[maxwell's demon]