The Dark Knight Should TDK have a scene in The Funhouse?

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

they should just use Bales scene from American Psycho

but with more blood.
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[Axl Van Sixx]

It needs to be shown onscreen.....a classic Batman vs Joker backdrop from the comics.....come to life on film. It wasn't done in the original Batman 89....now is the time to make up for that mistake Burton made.

Why all the hate for Burton these days? His interpretation of Batman might not have been as faithful to the comics as Nolan's, but Batman 89 is still an atmospheric classic.

 

[Cinemaman]

I'd like to see that final dialogue between Batman and Joker from The Killing joke, but I doubt funhouse would look seriously onscreen.

 

[Rynan]

I would be all for it...if it hadn't been so much already. The Hall of Mirrors fights are kind-of a cliche'.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I'd like to see that final dialogue between Batman and Joker from The Killing joke, but I doubt funhouse would look seriously onscreen.

Seconded. The dialogue would be great (sans Batman laughing at the joke, of course.)

 

[StorminNorman]

Seconded. The dialogue would be great (sans Batman laughing at the joke, of course.)

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I hate to say it, but that last scene ruined the entire story for me.

 

[Crooklyn]

How so?

 

[StorminNorman]

How so?

The fact that Batman was openly laughing and embracing the Joker ruined Batman for the entire story to me. Batman would not do that. After what he did to Barbara and Jim the Batman should of been going fairly ape**** on the Joker, or atleast take him down quickly and swiftly. The thing is though that if I don't like the Batman in a Batman story, the story is a bit ruined for me.

It's a great Joker story, hell its a great Jim Gordan story. But I do not understand its placement among the top 2 or 3 Batstories of all time.

 

[Crooklyn]

Ironically enough, I think it's because of that very scene (as well as delving more into Joker as a character) that everyone found intriguing.

I'm assuming in the context of the story, you know what the joke symbolized between Batman and Joker's relationship? And you just didn't care for Batman's reaction to it?

 

[Miranda Fox]

The fact that Batman was openly laughing and embracing the Joker ruined Batman for the entire story to me. Batman would not do that. After what he did to Barbara and Jim the Batman should of been going fairly ape**** on the Joker, or atleast take him down quickly and swiftly. The thing is though that if I don't like the Batman in a Batman story, the story is a bit ruined for me.

It's a great Joker story, hell its a great Jim Gordan story. But I do not understand its placement among the top 2 or 3 Batstories of all time.

I said it could do without that particular bit because I agree, given what had happened, it was out of place. Completely.

However, I do think it's perfectly believable that Batman would try and reason with the Joker. In fact, I'd argue with the context of TDK (Bats' first meeting with J) it would actually make more sense as he's yet to driven to the kind of hatred he showed in, say, Hush for Joker. It'd be him showing the compassion he talked about BB.

 

[StorminNorman]

Ironically enough, I think it's because of that very scene (as well as delving more into Joker as a character) that everyone found intriguing.

I'm assuming in the context of the story, you know what the joke symbolized between Batman and Joker's relationship? And you just didn't care for Batman's reaction to it?

Yes, it was very out of character for Batman.

I still question why Joker was still able TO talk after Batman finally caught up to him.

 

[StorminNorman]

I said it could do without that particular bit because I agree, given what had happened, it was out of place. Completely.

However, I do think it's perfectly believable that Batman would try and reason with the Joker. In fact, I'd argue with the context of TDK (Bats' first meeting with J) it would actually make more sense as he's yet to driven to the kind of hatred he showed in, say, Hush for Joker. It'd be him showing the compassion he talked about BB.

If a similar scene happened in "The Man Who Laughs", I would agree - Batman WOULD try to reason with the Joker. But this relationship had been going on for a while, so long that Batman understood that one of their deaths will probably be at the hands of the other, he should of understood by then that there was no humanity left IN the Joker.

Of course, I disagree entirely with Alan Moore's idea to give the Joker a bit of humanity anyway. The back story was great, and most of what he did with the Joker was perfect - but his attempt to make the Joker a sympathetic, more human character, however, was a mistake IMO.

 

[Miranda Fox]

If a similar scene happened in "The Man Who Laughs", I would agree - Batman WOULD try to reason with the Joker. But this relationship had been going on for a while, so long that Batman understood that one of their deaths will probably be at the hands of the other, he should of understood by then that there was no humanity left IN the Joker.

I see your point. It would've worked better in an earlier story.

Of course, I disagree entirely with Alan Moore's idea to give the Joker a bit of humanity anyway. The back story was great, and most of what he did with the Joker was perfect - but his attempt to make the Joker a sympathetic, more human character, however, was a mistake IMO.

I dunno...I find the idea that an ordinary person, as opposed to someone who has always been like that, turning into the kind of monster the Joker is incredibly disturbing.

 

[StorminNorman]

I see your point. It would've worked better in an earlier story.



I dunno...I find the idea that an ordinary person, as opposed to someone who has always been like that, turning into the kind of monster the Joker is incredibly disturbing.

Oh I agree, his backstory was perfect. I just think that once he BECAME the Joker he should of BECOME the Joker. The inhuman, evil, hillarious son of a ***** we all known and love. At times he seemed a bit too human.

 

[Silver Souper]

The fact that Batman was openly laughing and embracing the Joker ruined Batman for the entire story to me. Batman would not do that. After what he did to Barbara and Jim the Batman should of been going fairly ape**** on the Joker, or atleast take him down quickly and swiftly. The thing is though that if I don't like the Batman in a Batman story, the story is a bit ruined for me.

It's a great Joker story, hell its a great Jim Gordan story. But I do not understand its placement among the top 2 or 3 Batstories of all time.

I agree it's an odd scene in the comic, but I think it speaks to Batmans' humanity that he'd laugh. People often laugh at strange moments, and more easily, after they've encountered grueling circumstances and physical stress. Batman had been through both. I think the author was reiterating Batman's humanity; a little splash of cold water should we start to think of him as more of a RoboCop. Also- why shouldn't Batman laugh? On top of that all- he knows where Joker's headed (prison). The joke is on the Joker this time...

While I haven't read every acclaimed batstory, I think the killing joke is the best one. It nails the horror of the joker along with the unique relationship he has with Batman.

my two cents.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Oh I agree, his backstory was perfect. I just think that once he BECAME the Joker he should of BECOME the Joker. The inhuman, evil, hillarious son of a ***** we all known and love. At times he seemed a bit too human.

Gotcha. And agreed.

 

[Katsuro]

You all seem to be forgetting the very last panel of The Killing Joke, where he stops laughing and grabs Joker by the throat. He laughs for a bit, then just grabs him. It's not like they go out for a drink afterwards.

 

[antmanx68]

One of the scenes I'd want in my perfect-dream Batman movie is to have a very established Batman, in his prime, cutting his way through The Joker's lair fighting henchman/freaks, disarming traps and messing up anyone that gets in his path. I think that Nolan's realism has brought back some great credibility to the series... but this is the Joker we're talking about here, things naturally have to get a little crazier and more outlandish. A fun house is the way to go.... not saying its absolutely essential, but it would be truly great to see.

 

[Dark Knight]

Why all the hate for Burton these days? His interpretation of Batman might not have been as faithful to the comics as Nolan's, but Batman 89 is still an atmospheric classic.

Not "hating" on Burton .....but not having the climactic scene or even A scene in the funhouse in Batman 89 when Joker is the main baddie is just a tactical mistake IMO.

 

[Dark Knight]

I'd like to see that final dialogue between Batman and Joker from The Killing joke, but I doubt funhouse would look seriously onscreen.

I don't think Batman should be laughing with the Joker however. Thats one thing that bothered me about Alan Moores' The Killing Joke. In TDK I would think that Batman would be on the verge of going over the edge and wanting to kill the Joker in cold blood. Gordon may be the one to stop him.....

 

[Dark Knight]

I would be all for it...if it hadn't been so much already. The Hall of Mirrors fights are kind-of a cliche'.

Hall of Mirrors fights cliche?? Not for a Batman film. Off the top of my head I think I have seen perhaps two Hall of Mirror fight scenes. Enter The Dragon and Conan The Destroyer.

 

[Dark Knight]

Of course, I disagree entirely with Alan Moore's idea to give the Joker a bit of humanity anyway. The back story was great, and most of what he did with the Joker was perfect - but his attempt to make the Joker a sympathetic, more human character, however, was a mistake IMO.

I agree.....

 

[Dark Knight]

One of the scenes I'd want in my perfect-dream Batman movie is to have a very established Batman, in his prime, cutting his way through The Joker's lair fighting henchman/freaks, disarming traps and messing up anyone that gets in his path. I think that Nolan's realism has brought back some great credibility to the series... but this is the Joker we're talking about here, things naturally have to get a little crazier and more outlandish. A fun house is the way to go.... not saying its absolutely essential, but it would be truly great to see.

A dark, gritty and mysterious style Funhouse....not a freakin Schumacher style of funhouse either thats for damn sure! LOL

 

[Rynan]

Hall of Mirrors fights cliche?? Not for a Batman film. Off the top of my head I think I have seen perhaps two Hall of Mirror fight scenes. Enter The Dragon and Conan The Destroyer.

The Shadow had one. I know the comics had a least two(TKJ and DKR). "The Batman" had one(which sucked). The Teen Titans had one. I can't think of anymore, but I know they're are more out they're.

But, if they are going to do a hall of mirrors fight, I would prefer it to be like The Shadow's or Enter the Dragon's, where the hero "discovers" the hall of mirrors, like it's part of the buildings layout, instead of it being a carnival ride. Give it an organic feel.

 

[Dark Knight]

The Shadow had one. I know the comics had a least two(TKJ and DKR). "The Batman" had one(which sucked). The Teen Titans had one. I can't think of anymore, but I know they're are more out they're.

But, if they are going to do a hall of mirrors fight, I would prefer it to be like The Shadow's or Enter the Dragon's, where the hero "discovers" the hall of mirrors, like it's part of the buildings layout. instead of it being a carnival ride. Give it an organic feel.

Never saw the Shadow. But I agree with the discovery of the Hall of Mirrors statement you made....