The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises as Two Films

Agreed. Been saying it since I saw it. This is a great film which could e been a masterpiece of epic proportions. I am Predicting somewhere down the line we will find some weird things happened to this movie. Maybe an extended cut will be released. The original script was 400 pages. It adds up. None of banes rallying the homeless/disenfranchised was explored. None of the effect of a 5 month martial law was explored.. Bruce's struggle in the pit could've really really been expanded an really torn at our hearts. It's frustrating... It just needed a little more room. Tate should've been developed waaaay more.. To really feel the emotional impact of her turn. Bane was great but the horror of his plan was only implied.. Which took away the feel of it.

 

I liked it way it was, it was heavily edited in parts. If had been extended to 3 hours that would have been fine by me. I can't stand when studios break up movies just to make more money.

 

I agree with every single thing you just said.

 

I would link to it but I'm in my phone. An article from coming soon.net in said in an interview with Nolan that his brothers original script was 400 pages.. I don't say this about many movies.. But I think this one needed to include most of whatever those 400 pages were. If it needed two movies like you say, so be it.

 

There's a masterpiece in their but so much felt lost. Absolute shame.

 

Once again, to reiterate, I love TDKR (I place it higher than TDK) but I agree. So much was left out of the final cut. Nolan himself can deny it, but there's no way he didn't cut, at least, 30 minutes out of the final draft.

Call it a conspiracy theory if you want but I'd just say you're in denial if you believe that Nolan happened to land on 2hrs and 45mins (IMAX limitation) as he finished wrapping up in post-production.

I mean the trailers and spy videos only reinforce the arguement that Nolan probably had a 3:30 to a 4 hour epic.

The Nolans, in my opinion, should have split the finale into two parts.

 

Couldn't agree more. TDKR would have been better as a 2 part treatment given the amount of plot/subplots to get through.

It is what is though. I can still live with TDKR being the end of Nolan's series.

 

Do any of you really think the film should have been more than 3 hours though? To really establish all of that you would need a good 3hrs 30m. That is way to long for a superhero film.

 

Many problems this movie has stem from the run time cut short, I said this a few months ago, that this was a huge script and it needed to be split into two parts, like Harry Potter's final book adaptation.

So many plot points, so many characters needed more time. Oh well.

 

Had this been a true adaption of KNIGHTFALL or NO MAN'S LAND, this might be warranted, but since they were given nods at best, I don't think there needed to be two films. The movie needed 15-30 more minutes and better execution in general, not a whole other film.

 

I can live the theatrical cut. I still adored it (TDKR is the greatest CBM ever made, to me) but I wouldn't mind to see a 3.5 hour epic on Blu-Ray.

 

definately needed 2 films. it hit it too hard and fast. didnt have the motion of the ocean

 

I disagree. The execution was there but the character development and pacing suffered from the cut. There was just too much material for one film handle -- similar to Watchmen.

 

I find it humerous I came out of TDK thinking it was too long and out of Rises thinking it was too short.

 

Nolan said in an interview that it was "...400 pages or something." Due to the "or something" he easily could have been exaggerating. It was BIG is all that matters. But he was referring to Jonah's original draft. It changed a lot since its first draft like all scripts do. Could have shrunk or grown who knows. 400 is not an official, confirmed number of pages for the script by any means.

 

I would love to see a little bit more, but TDKR was pretty much perfection the way it was. I mean, some scenes should have been longer and I feel that we should've been given more time with Bruce in the prison and more time of Bane as the tyrant.

 

It was 400 pages. A lot was deleted. I think the Riddler may have been part of what was deleted. But, I don't think it negatively impacted the film. And there might be one or two deleted scenes with Talia, but I don't see much being deleted beyond that since that's the only area that really seemed rushed. The shooting script was NOT 400 pages, the rough draft was. Betting the final script of this was more 170/180 pages.

 

The hospital scene between Bruce and Gordon felt rushed. Other parts just felt like it needed more, not necessarily rushed.

 

2 part film would have been epic, but i think at least another 15-20 additional min would have been good.

 

i dont see how that is right... scripts on average are a page a minute nobody in their right mind would right a 400 page script... most run from 100-130.. i do have copies of both BB and TDK and they both run a little longer than the norm but 400 would of been almost 3 times as long as BB which was 150 and TDK was 167 for reference

 

the problem is if you write 400 pages you KNOW you need to delete 200 pages to be realistic and what happens when you do that is something that made sense in the original 400 pages loses its value or explanation and then you need to go in and make that right..

it is best to ut as little as possible from the script so writing 400 pages just to tell the story seems drastic and almost wasteful

 

Well, unless Nolan is flat out lying, the rough draft was 400 pages. Which means, as we could see, this was an extremely ambitious story. We heard on more than one occasion they were going all out and going out big. I think as I said earlier we r gonna find out something strange happened and this was cut down more than it shouldve been. My guess is it's due to the IMAX limitations and wb wanting a shorter time. Hell Gil was here yesterday saying he was hearing some strange things about the movie. I'm fascinated. I can't get the movie out of my mind. It's beautiful yet lacking if that makes sense. It's missing that extra 20-30 minutes to really flesh things out IMO.

 

I'm just wondering if Nolan is thinking and or realizing everything we have been talking about the last few days.

He has to... I can't think that he saw the same film we saw and not have these same thoughts. I'm sure by now word has reached his camp about all of the "feedback".

God, please let Nolan break rank and give us the movie that he intended to give us in an extended directors cut for the BD/DVD.