Should teachers carry guns?

[maxwell's demon]

just like blackbolt...




seriously, that thing was visually LOUD.

 

[Darthphere]

When i saw it, I thought the Hype had sold his soul.

 

[muertevilla]

hmmm interesting...just wait till one of the teachers decideds to snap and kill the whole class. then they will call him a disgruntled educator...

 

[Babs Gordon]

as a teacher, i can honestly say its pretty clearly no.

 

[hippie_hunter]

THE UNITED STATES IS NOT ISRAEL OR THAILAND. IN AMERICA, SCHOOLS ARE ONE PLACE THAT SHOULD BE GUN-FREE

AND THIS IS COMMING FROM A FULL SUPPORTER OF THE SECOND AMMENDMENT.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Oh God no they shouldn't.

They shouldn't for the same reason that most security guards stay unarmed...the chances of an accident could be a disaster. Having a teacher with a gun could mean some of the kids try and grab the gun, which is what you DON'T WANT IN THE FIRST PLACE. And say students do get out of control...who's to say that a teacher won't wrongly use the weapon or have it accidentally discharge KILLING a student.

That's just a really bad idea on paper and hopefully this doesn't go ANYWHERE.

If it does, I really fear for this country, seriously I will.

 

[Parker]

Absolutely not. Students aren't the only ones who go nuts.

 

[Ookami_Wolf1]

Hell no. Honestly I understand the right to bear arms in times of conflict, but school is never one of those times.

 

[Babs Gordon]

Above all schools need to try to maintain an atmosphere of safety and comfort... this is one thing that public schools often fail at but not for lack of trying... usually for lack of funds and resources. I work at a private boarding school and we crack down on any name calling teasing and such that we see... but we have the resources to do that... there's 1 adult for every three kids. If public school was capable of handling and crushing that kind of inappropriate, disrespectful behavior, I'm guessing that violence in schools would decrease. Those who are persecuted often feel powerless because no one will kick the pants of the idiots who bother them. And that's mostly because there's not enough staff/faculty.

Anyway... yeah keep the school as safe an environment as possible.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Above all schools need to try to maintain an atmosphere of safety and comfort... this is one thing that public schools often fail at but not for lack of trying... usually for lack of funds and resources. I work at a private boarding school and we crack down on any name calling teasing and such that we see... but we have the resources to do that... there's 1 adult for every three kids. If public school was capable of handling and crushing that kind of inappropriate, disrespectful behavior, I'm guessing that violence in schools would decrease. Those who are persecuted often feel powerless because no one will kick the pants of the idiots who bother them. And that's mostly because there's not enough staff/faculty.

Anyway... yeah keep the school as safe an environment as possible.

I went to an inner city public school from Kindergarten all the way to my senior year of high school and it was probably the best thing that ever happened to me. Yeah, kids are going to get teased at some point through school but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

There were minor incidents with kids bringing weapons to schools. Yeah, we had metal detectors to go through. There were occassional gang fights. But if you knew to keep your nose out of bad business then you had nothing to worry about.

It's the suburban schools that I worry about most, because you DON'T know what you're getting with a lot of kids. In a public school you can basically expect certain things.

 

[Babs Gordon]

I went to public school myself. It was in a rural/suburban kind of place though more on the rural side. You're right about those kinds of schools...

everything seems all hunkydory at face value but kids are just as brutal to one another. it's the emotional abuse that really triggers a lot of violence and it's rarely kept in check on a daily basis in schools like those. my sister and my brother both got the short end of the stick in that department during the early years in public school. so much stuff goes unpunished and it makes me really mad.

now that i'm a 6th grade teacher i crack down on that crap.

 

[Parker]

now that i'm a 6th grade teacher i crack down on that crap.

That's right about the time they become snotty little heathens, too.

 

[JLBats]

So what does everyone think the real way to crack down on school shootings is? Is there a way to promote an agenda of non-violence at a younger age? Does it begin at home? Is the answer in gun control laws and "zero tolerance" policies? Does the media hold any blame?

 

[Babs Gordon]

it's not just non violence... some of these high school kids are just a wee bit chemically imbalanced and that makes them unpredictable.

i really believe that if we cracked down on social persecution we'd probably cut down on school violence in general too. it's the social stuff that brings these kids to the breaking point.

 

[SpideyInATree]

So what does everyone think the real way to crack down on school shootings is? Is there a way to promote an agenda of non-violence at a younger age? Does it begin at home? Is the answer in gun control laws and "zero tolerance" policies? Does the media hold any blame?

Personally, I think it all starts at home. The parents. The way of life that each family leads their lives can seriously effect things.

It doesn't matter if you promote anti-guns or, say in a magical fairy tale world, pass a new amendment that states all guns are illegal there will STILL be a way for kids in school to find ways of violence. Possibly find weapons that are deadlier than guns.

We have to start being better people and more tolerant of the way other people are going to lead their lives. Because all of this violence in schools basically boils down to people being different, and certain groups of people not understanding that EVERYBODY is different and not EVERYBODY is going to follow your line of thinking.

 

[JLBats]

Personally, I think it all starts at home. The parents. The way of life that each family leads their lives can seriously effect things.

It doesn't matter if you promote anti-guns or, say in a magical fairy tale world, pass a new amendment that states all guns are illegal there will STILL be a way for kids in school to find ways of violence. Possibly find weapons that are deadlier than guns.

We have to start being better people and more tolerant of the way other people are going to lead their lives. Because all of this violence in schools basically boils down to people being different, and certain groups of people not understanding that EVERYBODY is different and not EVERYBODY is going to follow your line of thinking.

Hmm. I've gotta say, I basically agree. If you look at Klebold and Harris, the shooting has now been attributed not to some bullying, but apparently to Harris having a massive, Messianic level superiority complex. That no doubt started at home, or at least sooner than high school.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they have those guns illegally? Laws wouldn't have really helped stop that.

 

[maxwell's demon]

tasers. everywhere.

 

[JLBats]

tasers. everywhere.

I disagree. If you look closely, the power of tasers is too mighty too give to the unbelievers.

Besides, didn't the taser company once object to pie? That, to me, is worthy of a boycott

 

[maxwell's demon]

i didnt know!

 

[SpideyInATree]

Hmm. I've gotta say, I basically agree. If you look at Klebold and Harris, the shooting has now been attributed not to some bullying, but apparently to Harris having a massive, Messianic level superiority complex. That no doubt started at home, or at least sooner than high school.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they have those guns illegally? Laws wouldn't have really helped stop that.

The guns were legal, from what I remember. I just really remember that they bought they're ammunition from K-Mart of all places.

 

[Iceman]

It's ok for security guards to carry guns if there's a serious problem but not teachers. It sends out the wrong message.

 

[Parker]

It's ok for security guards to carry guns if there's a serious problem but not teachers. It sends out the wrong message.

"What's 5 x 5?"

"Ten?"

*ZAP!!!*

 

[SpideyInATree]

It's ok for security guards to carry guns if there's a serious problem but not teachers. It sends out the wrong message.

There are a lot of cases where security guards shouldn't have firearms. I'm a security guard at a shopping mall and we aren't to have ANY kind of weapons. We don't even have handcuffs because it's all a huge liability. Someone could easily grab the weapon from you, etc.

In my security company there aren't any armed guards but I've talked with a couple guards from other companies where you have to take a course and pass a shooting test to even become a licensed armed guard.

Armed guards, in this area, are usually in liquor stores or places where crime is extremely high.

 

[Iceman]

There are a lot of cases where security guards shouldn't have firearms. I'm a security guard at a shopping mall and we aren't to have ANY kind of weapons. We don't even have handcuffs because it's all a huge liability. Someone could easily grab the weapon from you, etc.

In my security company there aren't any armed guards but I've talked with a couple guards from other companies where you have to take a course and pass a shooting test to even become a licensed armed guard.

Armed guards, in this area, are usually in liquor stores or places where crime is extremely high.

Yeah, I'd only advocate it under exceptional circumstances when there's a serious problem and anyone carrying a weapon would need to be fully trained. Teachers should stay within their specialism while trained professionals deal with security. The decision on what level of force is required should be taken independently of teachers.

"What's 5 x 5?"

"Ten?"

*ZAP!!!*

It could help with homework getting done on time.

 

[Parker]

While we're on the subject of teachers and violence, is it just me, or does anyone else want to punch this guy in the face?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JafPjTwpyas