Should there be more coordination between the Marvel televsion and film units

[Zarex]

I wouldn't even go that far. Forget having the starring superheroes appear. I'd settle for them just being allowed to say their name. (I'm sure scheduling issues are the probelm there, too, eh?) I'd love to see cameos of relevant minor characters:

I much prefer the Netflix programs refusal to name drop the characters in the cinematic MCU over AOS's constant reminders that "It's all connected!". The fact that the street level heroes apparently can't be bothered to learn the names of the movie stars - I doubt it is due to the TV/Movie conflict - gives those shows an aura of detached coolness that AOS lost about 10 minutes into the pilot.

 

[DrCosmic]

Yeah, that aura falls apart for me by the third Captain America reference, by a random guy on the street, who for some reason doesn't say Captain America. Because he's too cool?

There are very obtuse ways to do these namedrops, that AoS seems to relish in, but in conversations that are about the Avengers, by people from all walks of society for no one to ever use any of their names is a weird artistic choice. Weird enough that you get the feeling it's not an artistic choice.

 

[Random490]

I much prefer the Netflix programs refusal to name drop the characters in the cinematic MCU over AOS's constant reminders that "It's all connected!". The fact that the street level heroes apparently can't be bothered to learn the names of the movie stars - I doubt it is due to the TV/Movie conflict - gives those shows an aura of detached coolness that AOS lost about 10 minutes into the pilot.

I agree, when they outright say the name it seems less "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" and more "Remember that movie.... MARVEL!!!" Netflix feels more natural.

 

[NotNickFury]

Yeah, that aura falls apart for me by the third Captain America reference, by a random guy on the street, who for some reason doesn't say Captain America. Because he's too cool?

There are very obtuse ways to do these namedrops, that AoS seems to relish in, but in conversations that are about the Avengers, by people from all walks of society for no one to ever use any of their names is a weird artistic choice. Weird enough that you get the feeling it's not an artistic choice.

Well, there are few and far moments. Foggy mentioned Captain America in the first season of Daredevil.

 

[DrCosmic]

Well, there are few and far moments. Foggy mentioned Captain America in the first season of Daredevil.

Good find. The guy selling bootleg videos in Luke Cage also explicitly says "Tony Stark," which surprised me. Still, most of the non-namedrops feel really awkward to me. "Like those guys downtown" felt really solid. The rest pretty much makes me cringe.

To each their own.

 

[Spiderine]

I love the way the Netflix shows have handled the references. They throw nods to the comics for the readers as well as nods to the films without bashing you over the head with it. Obviously the MCU fans will catch it. People who don't watch the films at all will likely go over their head but it allows the shows to stand on their own while maintaining a strong connection. I think its handled perfectly.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I wouldn't even go that far. Forget having the starring superheroes appear. I'd settle for them just being allowed to say their name. (I'm sure scheduling issues are the probelm there, too, eh?) I'd love to see cameos of relevant minor characters:

DD1: Since this is the one that sort of built Marvel's HK from the ground up, perhaps no cameos here. Still, a shot of Avengers Tower in the background wouldn't have gone amiss.
JJ: The Waitress from Avengers serving JJ and LC at the cafe. Use of the characters' actual names as opposed to 'The Flag Waver' and 'The Big Green One.' Ideally there'd have been a whole conspiracy with one of the Avengers leading to a cameo with them, could be anyone. Even Rhodey.
DD2: Black Widow, evaluating him as 'not Avengers material' to protect him. If not her Maria Hill. Helen Cho being involved in the hospital fiasco. Falcon testifying that Frank didn't have PTSD based on their interaction at the VA.
Luke Cage: A character played by Michael K. Williams, an incredible actor (most famous for The Wire) who cameo'd in Norton's The Incredible Hulk during the Abomination fight in Harlem and was deeply affected by that event and brings all that into Luke's storyline in some notable capacity. THAT would have been a payoff 8 years in the making. Also, making Alfre Woodard's MCU and Netflix characters the same person could have been really intersting. Justin Hammer and/or Trevor Slattery at Seagate.



Yeah, it's not about whether or not people would still like Iron Man if there was no Avengers. It's about how awesome Avengers is and a very obvious way to up that ante, combined with a very poor excuse not to.

Good points all around. But they could always be done tastefully and (preferably) secretly. Imagine Matt Murdock getting coffee at Starbucks the morning after a tough battle, his ears are ringing from a punch to the head, he almost drops his cup and Steve Rogers in street garb quickly grabs it before it topples to the ground. A quick impactful word between the two and hes off.

JJ meeting Carol long before she got her powers. Inspiring one another in the way only badass dedicated chicks can.

Punisher and/or Daredevil having a 30 second run in or see an overhead swing with Spidey in his homemade suit? nuff said.

 

[jihado86]

after the events of Luke Cage, Luke should be famous enough to be at least mentioned in the films. He was on the TV for ****'s sake. All the world saw him fight live. And nowadays with facebook and social media every soul on this earth must know or hear about what happened.

 

[DACrowe]

I like keeping them separate. The Netflix shows have a lot more creativity and guts. If they were connected to the movies, I am sure the film side would insist on forcing the Netflix shows to conform to their formula. No thanks.

 

[jihado86]

I agree, different formulas and all, but at least they should mention Luke Cage since he's famous now.
also the logic says that Avengers tend to recruit "enhanced" people, or at least try to recruit them (Ant-Man and Spidey in CW). Ignoring him would be illogical.

 

[Zarex]

I like keeping them separate. The Netflix shows have a lot more creativity and guts. If they were connected to the movies, I am sure the film side would insist on forcing the Netflix shows to conform to their formula. No thanks.

Many of us are just looking for cameos, not a thematic merger of the cinematic MCU (Which I love!) with the Netflix shows (Which I also love!) The Infinity War film is being touted as a celebration of the first ten years of the MCU. Leaving extremely popular TV characters off of the guest list seems like a enormous missed opportunity.

 

[jihado86]

I'm still hoping the TV characters will have cameos despite the denials, in fact, I'm giving my self hopes that these denials are just to make it a surprise

 

[Zarex]

I'm still hoping the TV characters will have cameos despite the denials, in fact, I'm giving my self hopes that these denials are just to make it a surprise

I'm with you. Those Sneaky Petes at Marvel TV and film are going to blow our minds by having the folks on Netflix and AOS play small but key roles in Infinity War. And afterwards, appearing in a post-credit scene with a hundred or so MCU characters at a celebration/memorial gathering at Avengers Mansion (An old Stark property willed to Steve after the events of the movie).

 

[The Overlord]

Yeah, that aura falls apart for me by the third Captain America reference, by a random guy on the street, who for some reason doesn't say Captain America. Because he's too cool?

There are very obtuse ways to do these namedrops, that AoS seems to relish in, but in conversations that are about the Avengers, by people from all walks of society for no one to ever use any of their names is a weird artistic choice. Weird enough that you get the feeling it's not an artistic choice.

Cottonmouth mentioned Cap by name, so maybe it is just an artistic choice.

 

[frostanon]

I think they are playing us like a damn fiddles.

 

[AlluAllu]

I dare to claim that the majority of non-NY-people don't care to know where the Avengers tower should be.

 

[MbJ]

I think they are playing us like a damn fiddles.

They explicitly mention the invasion multiple times and show a news article with a photo of Avengers tower. On a TV budget there's no need to needlessly waste money on a big CGI shot of Stark Tower.

 

[NotNickFury]

Especially when you can see the tower in some of the teaser spots for Daredevil and Jessica Jones.

 

[frostanon]

I mean for some reason Metlife ALWAYS included in aerial shots. They can use different angles, different parts of the city, but they keep showing Metlife. I think they are ****ing with us tbh.

 

[TheVileOne]

Especially when you can see the tower in some of the teaser spots for Daredevil and Jessica Jones.

Interestingly enough, there's never been an appearance of Avengers Tower in any of the Netflix shows.

 

[TheVileOne]

I like keeping them separate. The Netflix shows have a lot more creativity and guts. If they were connected to the movies, I am sure the film side would insist on forcing the Netflix shows to conform to their formula. No thanks.

There wouldn't be.

 

[brandeezy89]

They explicitly mention the invasion multiple times and show a news article with a photo of Avengers tower. On a TV budget there's no need to needlessly waste money on a big CGI shot of Stark Tower.

It's not really that hard when the CW does it all the time with Star Labs every episode

 

[MbJ]

"I think it’s extremely impressive what Netflix has done and it will be the same answer I always give, which is, “It all depends on timing.” It all depends on how to do it because I don’t think what anybody wants to do is have such important characters show up for one second. Black Panther and Spider-Man to me are the high bar in Civil War of how you can bring in new characters into something. Vision and Ultron, Wanda and Pietro in Ultron. And it takes a lot of screentime, and it takes a lot of work. Infinity War has a lot of people in it already. So it just depends on how we could figure it out."

http://collider.com/marvel-netflix-...utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

 

[NotNickFury]

See, even Feige gets it. I hope this is the end of this conversation, right now at least, as far as folks wanting Netflix or characters from SHIELD appearing in the films. Would it be nice? Maybe, even wishful thinking, but necessary to the ongoing story involving the characters we have with us in the films? No.

 

[Flint Marko]

Yeah, hopefully we can let this go. I really don't even see a way for the street-level Netflix characters to appear in the cosmic space movie in a way that isn't forced and detrimental to the story at hand.