Should there be more coordination between the Marvel televsion and film units

[Zarex]

I would love me some one second Defenders cameos.

 

[kguillou]

I think we fans are just becoming a tad bit spoiled with this shared universe stuff where we want to see all of our characters interact and crossover with everyone. Would I love DD and Spidey to team up? Absolutely. However, the tone of DD and the tone of Spider-man homecoming are not likely to mesh well together and ultimately I would rather not force DD to appear in a Spiderman film or Spidey to appear in DD's if it compromises the tone and creative direction of one or the other.

 

[NotNickFury]

Yeah, hopefully we can let this go. I really don't even see a way for the street-level Netflix characters to appear in the cosmic space movie in a way that isn't forced and detrimental to the story at hand.

Exactly! See, the scenario I keep seeing people come up with is that the Defenders fight some of Thanos' army on Earth. But really, do we want to see another Avengers film that culminates in a battle against the villain's nameless army?

If a general criticism of the MCU is that the villains more often than not aren't too memorable- not WEAK, but just not memorable- I don't think the Russo Brothers want to fall into the familiar trap of having Thanos do something we've already seen Loki and Ultron do, especially given how much Thanos has been built up since The Avengers.

And that extends to SHIELD as well, since after Winter Soldier, SHIELD itself feels like such an afterthought in the MCU now that the films are going after more cosmic, bigger threats.

 

[MbJ]

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/mar...ries-to-premiere-in-imax-theaters-1201917880/


So after three seasons of building up the concept on TV, the Inhumans are getting a show and not a movie. I guessed a while back something like that was gonna end up occurring. They'd spent too much time seeding the concept on the TV front while the movies completely ignored it.

 

[Darepool]

Rumors about Disney's interest in purchasing Netflix make me wish for a Netflix series. But this doesn't sound like the average network show in terms of cost with it's film level FX.

 

[Zarex]

I'd feel a lot better about the Inhumans show if there weren't such a big divide between Marvel TV and film.

 

[MbJ]

Speaking of New York, does that mean that The Defenders will visit New York-based Doctor Strange, cross over with other Marvel series like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., or enter the realm of the films? “You’re trying to trap me into saying, ‘Hashtag, it’s all connected,'” Loeb says, chuckling. “If the story warrants it, we will obviously do our best to have folks cross into each other’s story lines.”

For now, the company’s film and television arms continue to make sure each of the superhero stories can stand alone, no matter the size of the screen. “We certainly communicate with each other in terms of what we’re doing and what we have planned and the characters that we’re using and where it’s all going,” Loeb says of working with Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige, who oversees the films. That helps limit the fatigue, but also poses a personal problem for Loeb: “Unfortunately for me as a fan,” he says, “I tend to know more about what’s happening in the movies than I want to know.”

http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/13/defende.../?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

So basically

"That's a negatory, good buddy."

 

[NotNickFury]

Every day, I bet Loeb is kicking himself over coming up with that 'It's all connected' hashtag.

 

[Zarex]

"It's not contradictory" didn't have quite the same ring.

 

[Infinight888]

Every day, I bet Loeb is kicking himself over coming up with that 'It's all connected' hashtag.

Connected does not and never has meant there will be a lot of direct crossovers between the two divisions. It does mean that Agents of SHIELD will respond to movie plot points and will be allowed to lay the groundwork for upcoming movies (such as showing the political climate of the world leading to Civil War or making Dr. List a major villain shortly before Age of Ultron's release), and that the Netflix shows will be depicting a post-Battle Of New York world where catastrophe has opened a door for criminals to build their empires and men forge weapons from alien metal.

 

[NotNickFury]

Connected does not and never has meant there will be a lot of direct crossovers between the two divisions. It does mean that Agents of SHIELD will respond to movie plot points and will be allowed to lay the groundwork for upcoming movies (such as showing the political climate of the world leading to Civil War or making Dr. List a major villain shortly before Age of Ultron's release), and that the Netflix shows will be depicting a post-Battle Of New York world where catastrophe has opened a door for criminals to build their empires and men forge weapons from alien metal.

Let's not pretend that the films wouldn't have gone in the direction that they have without SHIELD- ie, you can see the world's reaction to the Avengers in Sokovia in Age of Ultron as evidence of the climate leading up to Civil War. Plus List was in Winter Soldier. That's giving Agents of SHIELD far more credit than that show ever deserves. No one here should ever believe there'll be direct crossovers, but those who keep longing for or asking for the likes of SHIELD characters or the Defenders to appear in Infinity War, for example, they're just wasting their breath. They don't need to be there.

Loeb's words have given them more optimism than necessary when there's next to no reason for there to be direct crossovers outside of a section of fans wanting it when the general movie-going audience probably doesn't even care.

 

[Yowza]

Obviously PR is a good thing. Loeb knows this whether a direct crossover ever happens or not.

I think we fans are just becoming a tad bit spoiled with this shared universe stuff where we want to see all of our characters interact and crossover with everyone. Would I love DD and Spidey to team up? Absolutely. However, the tone of DD and the tone of Spider-man homecoming are not likely to mesh well together and ultimately I would rather not force DD to appear in a Spiderman film or Spidey to appear in DD's if it compromises the tone and creative direction of one or the other.

I second that. A very diplomatic way of putting it without assuming anything.

 

[MbJ]

The whole bit was basically him trying as diplomatically as possible say it's probably not gonna happen. He says if it's absolutely necessary they'll try to have them crossover (which already is a red flag since he knows most of the requested cameos would be fanservice and not necessary to the story), and even jokes about them trying to trick him into saying "It's all connected" again, since he knows that's what the fans use to justify any sort of hypothetical crossover.

 

[NotNickFury]

The whole bit was basically him trying as diplomatically as possible say it's probably not gonna happen. He says if it's absolutely necessary they'll try to have them crossover (which already is a red flag since he knows most of the requested cameos would be fanservice and not necessary to the story), and even jokes about them trying to trick him into saying "It's all connected" again, since he knows that's what the fans use to justify any sort of hypothetical crossover.

Again, I just go back to the comics. Yes, this is a different interpretation, but what works in comic books obviously doesn't work the same on TV and in films. You can't just have a random appearance by Black Widow in Daredevil, Scott Lang in Jessica Jones, or SHIELD characters in the films- anymore- because there's more red tape involved and there's no need for them to be there.

Take solace in them being in the same world at all. That alone should suffice.

 

[MbJ]

I don't really care either way, since aside from a few things I don't really need much cross over. I just thought the writing was on the wall in full display in that interview.

 

[MbJ]

Daredevil star Vincent D'Onofrio says he doubts he'll ever be in a Marvel movie as Kingpin

"I would love to switch over to the movies, but I think it's pretty much been said it's not going to happen. Or at least not for a very, very long time. I think [Marvel Studios boss] Kevin Feige explained that, and that's what makes the most sense, he said the film universe is too jam-packed.

"It's hard enough already, and if they keep bringing big characters in that they have to service in the writing, it's not gonna work. They're trying to figure out already how to individualise more and at the same time keep The Avengers going.

"It makes sense not to mix the TV stuff, there's just too many characters."

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/da...t-donofrio-interview-marvel-movies-daredevil/

 

[BoredGuy]

Are crossovers, strictly speaking, necessary for the films or shows? No probably not
Would it be nice to have them acknowledge a larger universe of heroes, especially in a film called Infinity War?? definitely yes

especially after Civil War and the disappointment of some that it didn't feel enough like a "war", just some acknowledgment would be nice. I know Feige said they don't want to do a "hey look Daredevil just walked past" type cameo, but I would gladly accept a scene showing the Defenders fighting off aliens in NY while the Avengers are getting their asses handed to them by Thanos. One of those moments showing how desperate the situation is getting just before the heroes turn it around and save the day.

I know that wouldn't 'service' the Netflix characters at all.. but who gives a f***? It would be dope as hell

 

[DrCosmic]

Pretty much this. If you're going to invade a world with a bunch of heroes in it, and those heroes don't show up, then you have failed to make a cohesive universe. I suspect they'll be able to "get away" with it, because the audience for the Netflix series are limited (imagine how peeved I was when no one recognized me as S1 DD at a Halloween party. "Come on up, Ninja Zorro!"). But man, imagine how awesome it would be to have the Defenders or even the garbage fire that is the Agents of SHIELD on the street doing crowd control while the Avengers do their thing.

 

[Zarex]

Short of the FF making their MCU introduction, I can't think of another "Holy Crap!" moment that could match The Defenders showing up during A:IW or the 2019 sequel. It would be up there with Fury's IM scene and Ant Man's growth spurt in CA:CW, and an enormous crowd pleaser for both the hard core fans and the casuals. I don't see Feige and company passing up the opportunity.

 

[OB12]

Pretty much this. If you're going to invade a world with a bunch of heroes in it, and those heroes don't show up, then you have failed to make a cohesive universe. I suspect they'll be able to "get away" with it, because the audience for the Netflix series are limited (imagine how peeved I was when no one recognized me as S1 DD at a Halloween party. "Come on up, Ninja Zorro!"). But man, imagine how awesome it would be to have the Defenders or even the garbage fire that is the Agents of SHIELD on the street doing crowd control while the Avengers do their thing.

This is where I am coming from. People keep bringing up the general audience and how they receive IW, and while that is certainly the most important metric, servicing the infrastructure that they created is a factor.

If there are hordes of aliens invading the Earth and characters like Quake, Luke Cage, and Yo-yo are not part of the response, I would consider IW a disappointment.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean they're not doing it.

 

[DrCosmic]

I would actually go further. To me, the whole MCU would be a slight disappointment. The idea that these heroes all exist together in the same world is what made Avengers so groundbreaking. The natural evolution of that is pulling from other media channels into one cohesive universe and paying that off with the same thrill we got with the Avengers circled up. To position themselves to 'pay off' the MCU thus far, in a situation which supposedly affects these characters but literally disenfrachises them, I think that's kind of an insult to the idea that made the MCU relevant in the first place. The illusion of a united universe is shattered if the studio uses every excuse to not crossover the heroes for their huge end all be all event. The MCU becomes, very transparently, a segregated universe. The Defenders and Avengers may be related, but they're not sister properties. And it's not down to scheduling (Defenders and IW are not filming at the same time) or having too many characters (because we're talking about glorified cameos) or whatever they're peddling. It's something less noble, and kinda saddening.

That said, I have no desire to see Yo-yo on the big screen ever.

 

[Zarex]

That said, I have no desire to see Yo-yo on the big screen ever.

Why the heck not? She's terrific! The limitations on her abilities make her my favorite live-action speedster.

 

[DrCosmic]

I'm pretty biased against AoS at this point. There's no saving me. I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[Zarex]

That should give you even more reason to want the characters from AOS to show up in Infinity War. Given the strong likelihood that the show will be wrapped up by the film's release date, Deathlok, Melter, Quake and Yo Yo would make excellent cannon fodder.