Should there be more coordination between the Marvel televsion and film units

[MbJ]

As well they shouldn't have. Aside from confusing people who don't watch the show that just needlessly adds more characters and takes away screentime from a movie that already had too much of the former and not enough of the latter.

 

[Zarex]

As well they shouldn't have. Aside from confusing people who don't watch the show that just needlessly adds more characters and takes away screentime from a movie that already had too much of the former and not enough of the latter.

As SirStrangefolk mentioned, would Patton Oswalt have been a distraction? His presence would have been a treat for AOS fans if he's on the carrier and would have zero impact on folks who don't watch the show. You could have also put James August Richard's Deathlok onboard without needlessly adding any more characters. Just swap out the randos working alongside Fury.

Real-time television programs like AOS present a problem in an ongoing cinematic universe like the MCU, and I strongly doubt Marvel TV will ever do anything like it after it leaves the air (probably) this year. The poor TV to movie continuity is by far my biggest gripe about the MCU.

 

[BarryAllen]

As SirStrangefolk mentioned, would Patton Oswalt have been a distraction? His presence would have been a treat for AOS fans if he's on the carrier and would have zero impact on folks who don't watch the show. You could have also put James August Richard's Deathlok onboard without needlessly adding any more characters. Just swap out the randos working alongside Fury.

Real-time television programs like AOS present a problem in an ongoing cinematic universe like the MCU, and I strongly doubt Marvel TV will ever do anything like it after it leaves the air (probably) this year. The poor TV to movie continuity is by far my biggest gripe about the MCU.

The problem is not just scheduling and story, but also in Agents of Shield's terrible ratings. There's literally no incentive for the movie people to have the AoS people cameo if barely anybody is watching the show to begin with.

You'll notice how the cast members of the show have now realized they won't ever show up in the movies and recent interviews with them have shown they've come to face with that reality. Hell, even Jeph Loeb (the guy who heavily used the It's All Connected phrase in order to make it look like Agents of Shield had some semblance of "importance" to the grander scheme of things) has now distanced himself from the phrase, whether it be trying to redefine what he meant like here:

http://screenrant.com/marvel-tv-crossovers-all-connected/

As I often get reported by you folks for saying #ItsAllConnected, our feeling is that the connection isn’t just whether or not somebody is walking into a movie or walking out of a television show. It’s connected in the way that the shows come from the same place, that they are real, that they are grounded.

Or to flat out denying that he ever said it like here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRWqSujO5-I

It's not likely the AoS crew will pop up in the movies. Hell, they're being prevented from appearing on the Netflix stuff:

http://mcuexchange.com/clark-gregg-...keep-coulson-from-meeting-netflix-characters/

Clark Gregg: Because it was one of my favorite comics as a teen, I would have said Daniel Rand, Iron Fist, but suddenly there’s a gigantic invisible force-field barrier called “Corporate Stuff,” unless who knows, maybe we will develop a weapon to break through that, and get me over to Netflix for a minute. But if that barrier came down, then God knows I’d want to talk to Luke Cage.

 

[Zarex]

AOS ratings haven't been great, but there are more people that know who Agent Koenig is than understood the significance behind the Synthetic Man exhibit in CA:TFA. You include Easter eggs, cameos and the like as a shout out to the fans, not to drive crowds to the ticket window.

I actually prefer the minimal movie connections of the Netflix shows over AOS, but the fact the films now appear to be completely divorced from their TV counterparts is a huge let down

 

[MbJ]

The difference is that the Human Torch cameo in Captain America was a one-off gag for the fans. It's entirely insignificant to the actual film. What you were proposing was the cast of Agents of SHIELD leading a strike force against HYDRA in Age of Ultron, which is what would have been jarring and confusing to audiences not watching the show.

For the record, I'd be more than fine with your idea of Patton Oswalt making a brief cameo because again, that'd be something wholly insignificant. But the stuff I keep seeing fans bring up inevitably ends up being stuff like Quake and the Defenders taking part in Infinity War or Kingpin being one of the villains in Spider-Man: Homecoming, which is likely never gonna happen.

 

[Zarex]

The difference is that the Human Torch cameo in Captain America was a one-off gag for the fans. It's entirely insignificant to the actual film. What you were proposing was the cast of Agents of SHIELD leading a strike force against HYDRA in Age of Ultron, which is what would have been jarring and confusing to audiences not watching the show.

For the record, I'd be more than fine with your idea of Patton Oswalt making a brief cameo because again, that'd be something wholly insignificant. But the stuff I keep seeing fans bring up inevitably ends up being stuff like Quake and the Defenders taking part in Infinity War or Kingpin being one of the villains in Spider-Man: Homecoming, which is likely never gonna happen.

I was thinking that the AOS team's efforts would take place on TV with the Avengers assault taking place on film with perhaps a cameo or three linking the two. But I would have been satisfied with Patton on the damn ship.

 

[MbJ]

Again, tying the show to the movie for a double-stranded opening like that really only works if the audience has seen both. Looking at the ratings, there's a huge number of people watching the movies who don't want to watch SHIELD.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Again, tying the show to the movie for a double-stranded opening like that really only works if the audience has seen both. Looking at the ratings, there's a huge number of people watching the movies who don't want to watch SHIELD.

If you are saying that Marvel shouldn't make the tv shows required viewing, I agree. But I don't see where having Agent May show up in a cameo with Nick Fury instead of Generic Shield Agent #17 is a problem.

Netflix is the bigger deal. Those shows are far more acclaimed and those portrayals more popular. Not only that, but characters like Daredevil, Punisher, and Luke Cage are far more important for the larger Marvel Universe. Who wouldn't love to see Vincent D'Onofrio in a Spider-Man movie? It can be written in a way that people who don't want the series can understand it.

 

[Zarex]

Its certainly looking as though after Feige extracted himself from Marvel proper the "toys" were split between film and TV and they are no longer allowed to interact. I thought it odd that Squirrel Girl was starring in a New Warriors show rather than Great Lakes Avengers, but it's likely the A-name is reserved for filmed properties.

 

[DrCosmic]

The most likely solution is they don't reference anything from the TV show because they know there's a very reasonable assumption most of the audience isn't watching it.

I think a reference would be far less jarring than actually having Coulson show up or something like that, but I'm sure they realized the viewership of the movies dwarfs that of the TV shows.

Like Zarex was saying, it's not a matter of audience size. One off gags and shout outs to anything AoS, somewhere in the background distance would be deeply appreciated by some. I'd argue it'd have a bigger audience appreciating it than appreciated the Human Torch gag in CA:TWS. AoS is (was?) also in the interesting position of it being acknowledged by the films, even in the background or as a gag would have actually helped increase its audience size.

But no, not even a reference. Not even a cameo. The MCU is more interested in paying off Howard The Duck references than anything from AoS. That's how aloof to AoS they are.

The problem is not just scheduling and story, but also in Agents of Shield's terrible ratings. There's literally no incentive for the movie people to have the AoS people cameo if barely anybody is watching the show to begin with.

You'll notice how the cast members of the show have now realized they won't ever show up in the movies and recent interviews with them have shown they've come to face with that reality. Hell, even Jeph Loeb (the guy who heavily used the It's All Connected phrase in order to make it look like Agents of Shield had some semblance of "importance" to the grander scheme of things) has now distanced himself from the phrase, whether it be trying to redefine what he meant like here:

http://screenrant.com/marvel-tv-crossovers-all-connected/



Or to flat out denying that he ever said it like here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRWqSujO5-I

It's not likely the AoS crew will pop up in the movies. Hell, they're being prevented from appearing on the Netflix stuff:

http://mcuexchange.com/clark-gregg-...keep-coulson-from-meeting-netflix-characters/

This sounds more like what I'm seeing. There is some corporate edict that keeps this stuff separate. All the scheduling stuff is just face-saving, and, to conspiracize a bit, I'm betting they told Giancarlo Esposito that they were mandated to be separate to create story and sympathy with the audience that things should be united.

http://comicbook.com/2016/08/25/the-jungle-books-giancarlo-esposito-/

"I know the Marvel world exists on the Disney lot. I love those guys at Marvel. We've been trying to figure out how to collaborate on something," Esposito said. "I'm hoping that it is something. They came to me with something for their television department, then I realized if I did that, I'd never be able to have that same character be in that film department. Once you're in a Marvel character in the television version, you have to stay in the particular character. They can't carry that over to film."

Unless you're Alfre Woodard, of course. Because, y'know, Alfre Woodard, come on. It's worth noting that she's playing two completely distinct characters in Netflix and in the MCU. That's how disconnected things are now.

 

[NotNickFury]

Well, Enver Gjokaj played two different people in both The Avengers and Agent Carter. Sure, the cop wasn't even minor enough to be a minor character, but it was still someone different from Agent Sousa. Though I get the difference since both Civil War and Luke Cage are contemporary pieces.

 

[Flint Marko]

But no, not even a reference. Not even a cameo.

As I was reading this I did think of one reference: Dr. List. He first appeared in a few episodes of AoS in season 3 as one of the head guys at Hydra, and he was in the castle at the beginning of Age of Ultron.

It's not much, and he isn't a super important character, but it did come to mind. That said, I agree with pretty much everything you've stated. The separation of the divisions is disappointing, but up until Civil War it hasn't bothered me. I could accept the difference between covert/street-level stuff being separate from the Avengers flying around in the sky fighting robots and space aliens.

But now with the Sokovia Accords and the Inhuman outbreak in AoS season 3, the division is jarring.

 

[Pokkle]

Unless you're Alfre Woodard, of course. Because, y'know, Alfre Woodard, come on. It's worth noting that she's playing two completely distinct characters in Netflix and in the MCU. That's how disconnected things are now.

It also happens between movies.
The actress who play the mom of Star Lord in GOTG was playing somebody else in Captain America.

It already happens plenty of time before Luke Cage's actress, it isn't a big deal.
And she was cast in Civil War first.

Tony Curran played Bor, the father of Odin in Thor: The Dark World and Finn Cooley in Daredevil Season 2.

Matt Gerald, he played Melvin Potter in Daredevil and "White Power" Dave in All Hail the King.

The actor of Sousa in Carter, played a cops in Avengers.

 

[DrCosmic]

^Good finds, all true. The only ones between movies though is Laura Haddock in TFA and GOTG. And the argument could be made that she's playing a descendant of her 1940s character in GotG, so maybe not disconnected at all (but probably is).

Plus it's notable that in all cases, they were cast in movies first, then to TV. Even Dr. List would have had to have been cast on the film first. Sif too. Supports the idea that the film division is the one 'in power' here and the TV is happy to use the film divisions toys when they get a chance, but the film division wants nothing to do with the TV's creations. This supports Esposito's claim that you can't go to movies from TV.

As I was reading this I did think of one reference: Dr. List. He first appeared in a few episodes of AoS in season 3 as one of the head guys at Hydra, and he was in the castle at the beginning of Age of Ultron.

It's not much, and he isn't a super important character, but it did come to mind. That said, I agree with pretty much everything you've stated. The separation of the divisions is disappointing, but up until Civil War it hasn't bothered me. I could accept the difference between covert/street-level stuff being separate from the Avengers flying around in the sky fighting robots and space aliens.

But now with the Sokovia Accords and the Inhuman outbreak in AoS season 3, the division is jarring.

Dr. List! I did forget about him, and yeah, that's exactly the kind of stuff I'd expect, so... I guess we got it, and I still don't care? Maybe it's because he was a bad guy instead of elevating our heroes?

I'm kind of the inverse. It used to bother me quite a bit even before the show started, even down to Coulson being alive in the show and dead in the films, or the films being about adapting superhero comics and the TV show being about making up new non-super Mythos. Now that AoS is no longer a show I can really enjoy, it being separate is just fine with me.

 

[Pokkle]

Dr List was first in the credits scenes of the Winter Soldier though.


WHIH newsfront that was doing Civil War promo did reference to Marvel tv show.
About he ATCU from AOS:

"ATCU continues investigation into militant organizations that destroyed their facility."
It's about the AOS episode where the Watchdogs destroy an ATCU building with old Stark technology we saw in Agent Carter.

And about Transia Corporation (created in AOS) about an interim ceo.
(The main villain of S3 killed the previous one in AOS)
"Transia Corporation announces interim-CEO."
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And the Ellis announcement of HYDRA being eradicated, after it was in AOS:

Spoiler

 

[OB12]

^Those are all great little tie-ins and I wish they would continue them. A small cameo for Lorelai in Thor:Ragnarok would be great and unobtrusive. For the most part, connecting the two mediums in just these little ways is just about good enough for me. However, I am still going to find it a little disconcerting when all of the heroes are facing off against Thanos and characters like Quake and Deathlok are not present.

 

[DrCosmic]

WHIH newsfront that was doing Civil War promo did reference to Marvel tv show.
About he ATCU from AOS:

GREAT find. At least AoS can make it into the DVD extras.

 

[metaphysician]

If you are saying that Marvel shouldn't make the tv shows required viewing, I agree. But I don't see where having Agent May show up in a cameo with Nick Fury instead of Generic Shield Agent #17 is a problem.

Netflix is the bigger deal. Those shows are far more acclaimed and those portrayals more popular. Not only that, but characters like Daredevil, Punisher, and Luke Cage are far more important for the larger Marvel Universe. Who wouldn't love to see Vincent D'Onofrio in a Spider-Man movie? It can be written in a way that people who don't want the series can understand it.

I think we are still a few years away from being able to stick a random, completely unexplained and context-less superhero cameo in a movie and get away with it. That said, I wouldn't mind some more explicit easter eggs. Peter Parker is a smart boy, perhaps he keeps track of superhero activity in his home city. Some newspaper clippings in a scrapbook, or the equivalent on a computer screen. Perhaps talking about supers stuff with an in-the-know friend, mentioning "ninja sightings" or whatnot.

 

[metaphysician]

*cough* Honestly, I suspect the real answer to "Things have completely broken down post-Civil War, with Inhumans and stuff!" is "This is why the writers of AoS should have been kept on a much tighter leash." They probably *weren't* supposed to throw in stuff that would logically explode the setting in big ways, nor stuff that almost directly contradicts material from the movies ( see also: "The Accords" ).

 

[Spider-Fan]

If you are saying that Marvel shouldn't make the tv shows required viewing, I agree. But I don't see where having Agent May show up in a cameo with Nick Fury instead of Generic Shield Agent #17 is a problem.

Netflix is the bigger deal. Those shows are far more acclaimed and those portrayals more popular. Not only that, but characters like Daredevil, Punisher, and Luke Cage are far more important for the larger Marvel Universe. Who wouldn't love to see Vincent D'Onofrio in a Spider-Man movie? It can be written in a way that people who don't want the series can understand it.

Meh, I don't think we need Kingpin in a Spider-Man movie. I know he started as a Spider-Man villain, but look at Civil War. Do you think Kingpin can hang with Spider-Man physically? Spider-Man has many who can, so I think it is better to just focus on Spider-Man's own rogue gallery for his movies. Would a Spider-Man cameo be cool in Daredevil? Yes and I would love to see it. I think seeing it in a show would work better because a movie only gets aroudn 2hrs. Throwing in Kingpin just because comics is taking away screentime that can be better spent elsewhere. Also, Kingpin would need toned down in a non-Netflix environment. But, if it never happens, I am okay with it. The Netflix heroes fight smaller threats, who ones that lurk deep in the shadows. Ones that are just not on the radar of the movie characters. Honestly, the shows not crossing into the movies is meh to me. We still get references to the movies in the shows, and that I think does tie them together.

 

[Pokkle]

*cough* Honestly, I suspect the real answer to "Things have completely broken down post-Civil War, with Inhumans and stuff!" is "This is why the writers of AoS should have been kept on a much tighter leash." They probably *weren't* supposed to throw in stuff that would logically explode the setting in big ways, nor stuff that almost directly contradicts material from the movies ( see also: "The Accords" ).

About the Accords, it wasn't only in Agents of Shield.

The frontpage of the Accords in the movie, it's written:
"Framework for the registration and deployment of enhanced individuals"
http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Sokovia_Accords?file=Captain_America_Civil_War_26.png

WHIH newsfront also showed this frontpage with the same thing
"framework for the registration and deployment of enhanced individuals" :

 

[Rorschach2012]

It really sucks that there's a lack of connection between the Netflix shows and the movies. Daredevil is easily one of the top MCU properties.

I think there will be a stronger connection between the tv and movies as time goes on though.

 

[TheVileOne]

Dr. List was in the Strucker epilogue of Winter Soldier. He was the one Strucker was talking to.

 

[metaphysician]

About the Accords, it wasn't only in Agents of Shield.

The frontpage of the Accords in the movie, it's written:
"Framework for the registration and deployment of enhanced individuals"
http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Sokovia_Accords?file=Captain_America_Civil_War_26.png

WHIH newsfront also showed this frontpage with the same thing
"framework for the registration and deployment of enhanced individuals" :

And then they showed you who it applied to: the Avengers. At no point in the movie did they ever even hint that the Accords had to do with a thing but the Avengers acting as an independent nation engaged in its own foreign policy.

 

[TheVileOne]

And then they showed you who it applied to: the Avengers. At no point in the movie did they ever even hint that the Accords had to do with a thing but the Avengers acting as an independent nation engaged in its own foreign policy.

In Agents of SHIELD, a news reporter said the Accords are a framework regulation of EVERY enhanced individual.

It's framework that goes beyond just the Avengers.