Siege

Hawkeye in this issue:

Yeah. See...he is the god of war. And there's just one of him. And I am now shutting my ass up. And I am a badass man. I'm known, specifically, as a badass. And one of them, just one, got me to shut the hell up.

:awesome:
 
Although, did anyone else have a weird page count with the transmission transcript about the invasion plans -- like, did the pages go back and repeat themselves and proceed differently at one point?
Mine had it too. Definitely a printing error.
 
Hey isn't Donald supposed to be a lame-ass cripple again? What's he doing gallivanting about like that?

Anywho, I actually quite liked the issue. :up: It's...straightforward perhaps, but that's just fine. And unlike almost every other event at Marvel in the past years, the premise actually doesn't offend me on a fundamental level! Yay! Let's hope I'm not being too blindly hopeful and that it doesn't end with my pain, like the other events have.

And there sure is a lot of pretty on the pages.
 
I agree with somebody else' comment about Volstagg's incident not being given enough time to settle in with the general public. It should have been like a mini-Stamford but Osborn rushed off to Asgard like 2 minutes after the stadium got F'd up.
 
It was ok. I like how Ares gives a huge speech to the masses as a sign off for them. He basically says in it "youre going to die, im the god of war so I wont, alright lets go kill ****".

Oh, and I'm sayin right now that Ares is going to end up killing Norman at the end of Siege. Not Spidey, not CapBucky, not Tony. It's going to be Ares.

Also, Thor getting owned by 1 Sentrypunch then a bunch of D lister beams had me confused. Then someone told me that those 4 were Hulk level villains and I remembered Thor doesn't have the Odin/Thorforce anymore so I guess it's all gravy.
 
Why would Marvel introduce that character by making him a villain, I think they bought him so he could be a her-- Oh right, Bendis.
But what if he's brainwashed? I don't think that counts as making him a villain.
 
Oh and did that little section with the President tell us that basically Norman has the power to overrule the President?
 
So eh Siege Embedded? Whats that about? Is it a necessary thing for Siege?
 
Oh lol. :( Well thanks for answering! :D <3
 
It was ok. I like how Ares gives a huge speech to the masses as a sign off for them. He basically says in it "youre going to die, im the god of war so I wont, alright lets go kill ****".

Oh, and I'm sayin right now that Ares is going to end up killing Norman at the end of Siege. Not Spidey, not CapBucky, not Tony. It's going to be Ares.

Also, Thor getting owned by 1 Sentrypunch then a bunch of D lister beams had me confused. Then someone told me that those 4 were Hulk level villains and I remembered Thor doesn't have the Odin/Thorforce anymore so I guess it's all gravy.

If your basing it on what Ares said in issue #1, I wonder if they lay Norman's head next to his neck, the Goblin formula will make him all better. :gg:

Oh, and based on the Cup O'Joe at the end of issue #1, it sounds more like the Big Three :cap::im::thor: will bring down Norman.

Sigh, I still hope it's Spidey that plays a major role. :spidey:
 
Repost of reviews, with re-spoilers!

Dread said:
SIEGE #1: Or, "BENDIS EVENT III #1" of four. Although THE SIEGE: THE CABAL for all intents and purposes was SIEGE #1-A of this series. Still, even with that included, at 5 chapters this would be the shortest major Marvel event mini in years. HOUSE OF M and SECRET INVASION were both 8 issues, a number that some Marvel execs seem to now quietly concede was too long. On the other hand, sales talk, and I imagine they were more than one factor in expanding CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN to six issues instead of five (that and BLACKEST NIGHT doing so well). If SIEGE #1 moves like 300k, will Bendis be handed an extra issue? Is money green?

The long and the short of this is that it isn't bad at all. Throw in solid artwork by Oliver Coipel, who last worked on an event comic with Bendis for HOUSE OF M, and it's actually above average, a 6 out of 10.
The question is it worth $3.99 just for a glossy cover, an extra page of story (23 pages total), and 3 pages of script noting a Dark Avengers security meeting, shamelessly expanded to 4 by repeating Page 1, with extra pictures? Not entirely. But it's an event, and few of us really expect them to be great as stories. In fact this is only the second Bendis comic I have read in a year. And in all fairness, Bendis events are rarely rubbish at the start. They merely devolve into rubbish by about the middle and then collapse into overrated buffalo feces by the finale, which is almost always either an anti-climax or a non-ending everyone saw coming, which Bendis treats as if it was told to him by a Burning Bush and usually explains better on Newsarama than in the pages within.

More happens here than in THE CABAL one shot, although the problem is that most of what happens was more or less stated in the 6 page preview, and in various solicitations and interviews. The usual, a surprise event that surprises no one. Volstagg causes a ruckus trying to fight crime, and a fight against the U-Foes (who are technically federally sanctioned superheroes) destroys Soldier Field in Chicago (no, not the Cubs!). This gives Osborn all the opening he needs to declare war on Asgard in Oklahoma and launch a full Dark Avengers attack on it to improve his standings with the public and media. The President is against it, but Osborn naturally doesn't heed him, and only seems to heed Loki. As usual, Loki is playing Iron Goblin like a fiddle.

Bendis adds Balder to his list of, "what figures written above most common people can I depict in a state of undress in mid-sexual intercourse" beside Dr. Doom and Dr. Strange as the attack begins. Also note that for all his faults, not even Bendis makes Balder as much of a gullible chump as JMS did on THOR; he immediately suspects Loki's hand in the attack, nor believes Loki's lies to the contrary. This book is a little ahead of THOR, which still has most of the Asgardians in Latveria as Thor and his chums attack Dr. Doom, but it isn't as bad as the whole REBORN debacle. In fact it does tie in quite well with INVINCIBLE IRON MAN, in which Donald Blake and Maria Hill are still watching over a comatose Tony Stark when the spit hits Asgard.

It says a lot about Thor's status on Marvel's totem pole of 100 ton tankers when the moment I saw Thor fly onto the scene, I literally thought, "oh, Bendis is going to have him get TKO'd like a wuss in 5 pages or less", and lo and behold, that is precisely what happens. While Thor doesn't get taken down as easily as, say, Colossus of the X-Men usually does, he's still nowhere near as tough as Hulk or, of course, Wolverine. You'd never see Wolverine get ***** slapped in the opening issue of a line wide crossover mini. The last time I saw Hulk get spanked this quickly, also by the U-Foes, was the Ostrander/Ferry debut issue of HEROES FOR HIRE in the mid 90's, and good LORD did WIZARD magazine throw a hissy fit about that one. Yes, I know it showed Ares' strategy; the "throw everything and the kitchen sink at Thor immediately or we're all dead" ploy. But, again, I can't think of anyone other than Colossus or Sentry who would fall that quickly when it counted, and that stinks. I've seen Luke Cage take WAY more than that. Hell, Luke Cage made Electro pass out just with a sneer; when the hell has Thor been allowed such a moment? Least one not written by Kieron Gillen?

Coipel as usual turns in a good art chore, although even at only 4 issues of relatively average comic length I wonder if he will be entirely on time. He couldn't handle more than 2 issues of THOR monthly and he ran late on HOUSE OF M. Still, reading this next to, say, an issue of anything Ed Brubaker writes revolving around Captain America and you really see that Bendis has no talent for pacing a fight and relies entirely on his artist to do that. And Coipel is hardly George Perez in that regard. Thor gets in a few hits with Sentry, energy blast, down. Bendis relies on TELLING you that Thor is going down, rather than really showing it well. WORLD WAR HULK was a big Greengasm, but at least Greg Pak and John Romita Jr. could pace some hellish fights. At any rate, the issue ends with Steve Rogers, who watches TV in his Captain America uniform, stand in surprise. Well, watching one of his old buddies get spanked would likely incite Rogers into action. Anyway, can you tell REBORN is running late?

The "board meeting" at the end is interesting in that without art and with sheer script reading, I had no idea who was usually speaking beyond Ares and Sentry, and even when I knew, Gargan as Spidey sounded the same as Parker under Bendis. I could swap Bullseye's creepy cynicism with most of Bendis' Logan or Clint lines and I doubt anyone would notice. Remember how in SUPER FRIENDS, everyone talked alike and without the voice actors, it all would have read the same? Bendis is like that, only snarkier and bleaker. He's the ANTI-SUPERFRIEND. I also could imagine that with better scripting, Bendis could have gotten 10 pages of art around those 3 pages of text talking. And that's disgusting.

No, SIEGE #1 wasn't bad. But is "not bad" the best we can expect of Marvel's Number One writer? It is, and that always is annoying. Bendis events always start out as good as they're going to get and go downhill from there. I'm only here because of morbid curiosity and because this is the "it" Marvel book of 2010. I hardly expect a miracle. I do expect side titles doing tie-ins, such as AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE, MIGHTY AVENGERS, or THUNDERBOLTS, to get a lot out of this, just as everyone but Bendis worked SECRET INVASION better.

Some are predicting the Marvel universe to swing back into "not as bleak" territory after SIEGE. Politically, with Bush out of office almost a year now, it's about time considering Marvel's about as left as a turn signal. But with a Bendis event, I expect nothing but overrated gibberish unless proven wrong. Still, considering my 12 month break from Bendis, he hasn't completely displeased me. From him, "average" is better than expected.

SIEGE: EMBEDDED #1: I didn't plan on buying this all until yesterday when I read it was from Brian Reed and not Paul Jenkins. I decided impulsively to give it a try, and I regretted it. This isn't worth $4 a pop. It isn't bad, but the definition of "meh", and a waste of Samnee's pencils. As well as a waste of shelf space, paper, and my time. It should simply be called "SIEGE: SOMETHING ELSE FOR FOUR BUCKS, SUCKA".

Phil Urich teams up with another reporter guy to follow Volstagg back to Oklahoma and report on SIEGE. Because conservatives are evil, an obvious metaphor station for Fox News is 100% behind Osborn and being set up to preach his propaganda. Because, y'know, news stations that lean left never, ever, EVER report anything that nears propaganda for Democrats. The art is probably the highlight, and a lot of the story washes over like rain, and is forgotten as soon as one is inside. I'd say political stories that still rail against conservatives when they are out of majority power is much like kicking someone when they're down to an audience that is too busy being hysterical to notice, but no matter.

This wasn't even worth sticking around for $3, much less $4. But, I knew better, and didn't listen to myself, because I was once impressed with Reed's CAPTAIN MARVEL, and him getting something almost decent with Bendis in some issues of THE ILLUMINATI. My fault. The art by Samnee was probably the highlight. Now HE should have drawn MARVEL BOY: THE URANIAN!

More thoughts:

- Okay, so even if Steve Rogers is alive again, shouldn't he technically still be considered a fugitive since he refused to obey the SHRA (which is still in effect) who was guilty of inciting riots and whatnot? It wasn't like he died via sentenced execution, he was shot before he could actually stand trial; technically he should still have a trial pending now that he is back. Furthermore, considering the LAST time he acted before he thought to confront an Iron Jackass he thought was twisting the law to his own warped ends, it split the superhero community, destroyed a lot of public property and turned "first responders" against him, would it REALLY be such a great idea to do the same thing again? I mean I know that Osborn is far loonier than Stark ever was, and his Avengers are maniacs and anti-heroes, but, still...just for curiosity's sake. I imagine the President will "Hope and Change" Rogers some sort of pardon. I mean, why not?

- Will anyone question how the same public and media that turns on the Fantastic Four for even the slightest misunderstanding bent over collectively and slurped Osborn's anal fudge considering he is convicted murderer/terrorist? It is literally like Ted Bundy becoming the Sec. of Defense and the media and public not only buying it, but eating it up. I mean, yes, it achieved the goal, albeit only after four years, of uniting all the heroes against villains and making them underdogs, but if the ends justify the means, then Magneto really is right, isn't he?

- Will SIEGE really end with the pendulum swinging back into the favor of "less bleak superheroes" and allowing titles to sink or swim on their own merit? Because I'm not convinced. Crossover events are a drug for sales, and it's hard to quit cold turkey.
 
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People go on about how the public accepted OSborne.

But correct me if I'm wrong, but during Secret Invasion didn't he lead the T-Bolts into D.C and protect the White House? Live on national TV? Plus you know, you get the press on your side and the mindless drones that makes of the majority of the population will follow, that happens in real life. Then Osborne gets the kill shot to end the invasion live on TV. Add all that to the fact that Stark tech was compromised and Osborne had his own tech still working, not effected by the virus.

That's some heavy propaganda **** right there.
 
Oh and did that little section with the President tell us that basically Norman has the power to overrule the President?
Not overrule, more like ignore
That's the problem with leaving a psychopath in charge of what is effectively the most powerful arm of the military. I wonder if we'll see the National Guard attempt to intervene in the siege of Asgard now that Osborn's acting directly against the President's wishes. Not that they'd do much good.
 
They're gonna have to open 42 back up once Norman and his goons are thwarted...assuming anybody can get Blastaar to leave.
 
Osborn had the Initiative retake 42, remember? That's what the issue of Avengers: The Initiative that focused on Johnny Guitar was about.
 
I agree with somebody else' comment about Volstagg's incident not being given enough time to settle in with the general public. It should have been like a mini-Stamford but Osborn rushed off to Asgard like 2 minutes after the stadium got F'd up.

Pick up Siege: Embedded, its about the aftermath of the Volstagg thing. There was a whole cleanup effort with a bunch of heroes who recovered bodies and picked up the pieces of the stadium, so apparently the actual Siege did happen a bit of time after the incident.

As for the book, the thing i liked the most was the grand scale of the art depicting the jets and ish flying through Asgard's huge halls and towers. the artist did a really good job.

If anyone read the "transcript" of the war meeting at the end of the book, did anyone else feel cheated by how it repeated and cut off? I was very interested to read Ares's war plans and what they were brainstorming for strategies. Obviously "Take out Balder first" was the first point but I wanted to see it in print.
 
Also very excited for Cap's involvement in this. And looking forward to Thor's inevitable "revenge" for the Avengers attack, which I personally thought was way too weak and brief to put him down that quickly.
 
It says in Siege #1 that the attack on Asgard happens one day after the Soldier Field incident. The news report that Cap's watching on TV at the end says "last night's incident at Soldier Field" or something to that effect.
 
Anybody care to explain to me at exactly what point Asgard moved from being over Latveria to being back in the states? Or is that another piece of marvel continuity at its best?
 
Osborn had the Initiative retake 42, remember? That's what the issue of Avengers: The Initiative that focused on Johnny Guitar was about.

Wait, I thought all those people just died and Taskmaster and the other important Initiative people bailed out? I need to reread that issue. So that stuff with Nova and Blastaar happened before this then?
 

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