Siege

[Manic]

Oh, and don't forget "There won't be any big events in the coming years, and they will all be much more contained like World War Hulk was".

World War Hulk was contained? It spanned across 11 different comics:
-Incredible Hulk
-World War Hulk
-World War Hulk: Frontline
-World War Hulk: Gamma Corps
-World War Hulk: X-Men
-Avengers: The Initiative
-Ghost Rider
-Heroes For Hire
-Irredeemable Ant-Man
-Iron Man
-Punisher War Journal

 

[SouLeSS]

That's my point. ****ing Marvel. Say something like "Small and contained like Annihilation" and I'd be all over that **** and happy, but they gotta go durp WWH wasn't really a big event at all!"

 

[Manic]

My idea of a contained event is something like Messiah War. It happened in X-Force and Cable. That's it.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

A contained event focusing on the whole universe of Marvel will never really happen. I don't know why we complain, the event will sell and they'll add tie-ins, one-shots, and mini-series to go along with it. It's just them making moola. You'd do the same if you were the big wigs at Marvel/DC.

 

[Manic]

I only get mad when events I don't care about sneak their way into titles I'm already reading. I'm convinced the X-Men titles got shifted from San Francisco to Asteroid M only because they were under pressure to create a major Dark Reign tie-in.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I was liking Seige right up until half the 3rd issue turned into some kind of *********ory Obama fantasy.

Completely took me out of the story.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd prefer we stick to fictional heads of state in comics as well, but I liked Marvel's Obama in the issue. Like I said, ordering the assault on HAMMER while trusting the real heroes to take care of the psychos who'd come to power was my favorite moment of the issue.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I'd prefer we stick to fictional heads of state in comics, as well, but I liked Marvel's Obama in the issue. Like I said, ordering the assault on HAMMER while trusting the real heroes to take care of the psychos who'd come to power was my favorite moment of the issue.

See that was actually a cool moment, a very ****ing cool moment and I'm just a little upset because instead of just letting us SEE the issue, Bendis decided to devote half of it to Obama and his adviser narrating what was clearly happening on screen.

If they had just let him show up in his scenes I would have been fine with it (I'm used to comic book writers wearing their politics on their sleeves) but why did he have to comment on every SINGLE THING.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It did feel a bit awkward, but I figured Bendis did it to convey the scale of the conflict in terms of the newly political/official role the heroes occupy. The President of the US observing the action and coming to his own conclusion that Osborn was a rogue agent and the government was wrong all along to oust the real heroes because they wouldn't kowtow to some arbitrarily invasive law back in Civil War is kind of the thematic underpinning of the whole event, as it relates to the ongoing status quo of the main part of the Marvel universe (i.e. the US). So I can understand why he made that choice. It's a framing device to put Siege in the proper context for the move forward into the Heroic Age, where the real heroes will presumably be reinstated and officially recognized.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

It did feel a bit awkward, but I figured Bendis did it to convey the scale of the conflict in terms of the newly political/official role the heroes occupy. The President of the US observing the action and coming to his own conclusion that Osborn was a rogue agent and the government was wrong all along to oust the real heroes because they wouldn't kowtow to some arbitrarily invasive law back in Civil War is kind of the thematic underpinning of the whole event, as it relates to the ongoing status quo of the main part of the Marvel universe (i.e. the US). So I can understand why he made that choice. It's a framing device to put Siege in the proper context for the move forward into the Heroic Age, where the real heroes will presumably be reinstated and officially recognized.

Then he did it badly.

The panel where Sentry and Thor face off again was insanely cool, especially with the "How many more Gods do I have to kill today," line EXCEPT we have on the side undercutting the scene,

"That's the Sentry. HE'S REALLY STRONG. Oh look there's the Hood! He's a BAD GUY kids!"

*Sigh.

Sorry, venting.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, fair enough. Yeah, they did over-narrate a bit, but it's Bendis. Nobody said "tuchus" and Spider-Man wasn't even annoying, so I'd say we made out pretty well.

It kind of sucked that we didn't get a badass, knock-down, drag-out fight between Thor and the Sentry, but I'm content with the fact that Thor wasn't merely stomped outright like he is against virtually any other powerhouse character.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Haha, fair enough. Yeah, they did over-narrate a bit, but it's Bendis. Nobody said "tuchus" and Spider-Man wasn't even annoying, so I'd say we made out pretty well.

The whole issue I kept looking back at Spider-Man just waiting for it. Bald bastard won't catch me unprepared.

 

[Red Mask]

Probably my favorite part of the issue. I loved finally seeing a government-type embrace the heroes, recognize that they do fine work all on their own, and actually support them instead of getting in their way. I think that, to me, is the spiritual start of the Heroic Age.

Usually governments aren't shown in a favorable light in comics. They're depicted as ineffective, corrupt, or the last ones to realize what's right. I doubt that's ever going to change.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

But it did change in Siege #3. I doubt it'll be that way forever, but it seems that going into the Heroic Age, the government, whatever other faults it may retain, will finally be an ally to the heroes who deserve it again rather than a constant adversary.

 

[Red Mask]

The U.S. government wasn't always an enemy of the Avengers.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I realize that. But it has been in recent times. Except the Dark Avengers, whom I don't really count as Avengers.

 

[runawayboulder]

I remember the US Liason's for the Avengers would constantly clash with them, but when push came to shove the US gov't always had their backs.

 

[Red Mask]

But the government usually doesn't have the answers. That defeats the purpose of superheroes.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Who said anything about answers? I'm just talking about supporting the heroes rather than promoting their villains or trying to conscript them into military service or otherwise being jerks to them. The government and the public in general turned on any heroes who refused to follow their arbitrary (and, as we'd later see, ineffective) registration act following Stamford. Marvel-Obama's willingness to trust the heroes while sending US military forces to support them by bringing down HAMMER's Helicarrier shows that the government is once again willing to accept the heroes on their terms and help rather than hinder them. It's about the spirit of cooperation, not the government having answers or being flawless or anything.

 

[ssj wolverine]

As an admited Thor fanboy, here's to hoping in the last issue that Thor unleashes the Godblast coupled with the OdinForce in the Uru hammer and destroys the Void. Unfortunately knowing the lack of respect Marvel gives to Thor I doubt this will happen.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

As a realist, I'm gonna guess Thor is knocked out within 3 panels by the Void.

 

[Docker2.0]

As an admited Thor fanboy, here's to hoping in the last issue that Thor unleashes the Godblast coupled with the OdinForce in the Uru hammer and destroys the Void. Unfortunately knowing the lack of respect Marvel gives to Thor I doubt this will happen.

I honestly thought we'd see that in #3 but honestly, I don't think Bendis has even heard of Thor's godblast. There's no doubt that Thor would have used it the moment when the Void started to bring down Asgard.

 

[dennisv]

Need The Void taken down? Call out...

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, LT doesn't care about silly mortal problems. Or he'd come close the Fault.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Plus, if the Living Tribunal ever showed his face, Rulk would punch him in the nose.