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Comics Since Sandman and the Black Costume are making apperances in the Spidey Books...

Jack O'Lantern

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Since those two are appearing in the movie and the comics, how should Marvel use Harry Osborn, if at all? I dont think that he should return, but something should happen with Harry. Something along the lines of Peter just mentioning him or visiting his grave. He's a great forgotten character.
 
well knowing marvel these days, Harry's gonna return from the dead.
 
Maybe they could release some of his better stories of his fall into his father's legacy and his demise into a trade. Maybe even a trade of The Child Within, I hear that story is very good.
 
My idea would be maybe an out-of-continuity/flashback mini-series, ala Spider-Man/Doctor Octopus: Year One.
 
Well Harry is a great character because he seemed redeamed after he first went GGing....then nope he is lost inside and his death....wow. If they ruin that....then just no.
 
Harry had sex with Gwen and had children that aged fast and come back to kill Peter.
 
Whoa! Both NORMAN AND HARRY tapped Gwen?! Then that would make Ms. Stacy a ****! How about HARRY tapped Gwen's corpse (Peter did in the god awful What If?Teh Pooper) and raped MJ... we could have it in a 12 issue special... More sins past...
 
tom123 said:
Maybe they could release some of his better stories of his fall into his father's legacy and his demise into a trade. Maybe even a trade of The Child Within, I hear that story is very good.

The Child Within is superb. All the Dematteis/Sal Buscema stories from that period are classics.
 
On a similar note, I finally now know why Marvel went ahead and brought Uncle Ben in from another universe...solely a marketing gimmick for the movie as there will be an upcoming issue of FNSM involving Sandman. I don't know if I feel better or worse about bringing back the one character you should never bring back, so to speak, purely as advertising for a movie!......
 
tom123 said:
Maybe they could release some of his better stories of his fall into his father's legacy and his demise into a trade. Maybe even a trade of The Child Within, I hear that story is very good.

They did that already. The trade is called Son of the Goblin. I dont think it included The Child Within, but that was indeed a great story.
 
i think they shuold bring back his memory or legacy in a way that doesn't involve bringing him back from the dead. something like this:

it's nearing Harry's birthday (or maybe the anniversary of his death) and we see scenes of Peter, MJ, and even Norman remembering Harry. and as upset as Peter is, it's actually Norman that's the most upset. it's then been revealed that Norman has exumed his son's body and been doing experiements on it.

Norman doesn't understand why the Goblin formula was able to heal him to the extent of "bringing him back to life" but hasn't done anything to Harry. Harry remains a decomposing corpse. the more tests he does, the angrier he gets. the more dead-ins he runs into, the more he questions his own miraculous recovery. why him? why not Harry?

the rage grows and grows until he finds the answer: Peter. Peter, the science wiz, must have been tampering with Harry. he must have known the secret of the Goblin formula far before Norman ever found out and found a way to counteract it. thus, it is very much Peter's fault that Harry is dead.

Norman suits up, leaps onto his glider, and goes off on a vendetta-fueled killing spree as he tries to find Peter. it ends with a massive, no-holds-barred brawl between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin in which we discover exactly how much Harry meant to both these men.

that's what i'd do, anyway.
 
Kevin Roegele said:
The Child Within is superb. All the Dematteis/Sal Buscema stories from that period are classics.

I agree. The artwork from that run also was distinctive, while being good still. I didn't like the way some of the lines in the faces were drawn though: those were some really dark and deep 'dimples', and other parts made some characters look a little unnatural.

Some of those drawings made characters (like Harry and Liz) look appropriately strung-out and like they weren't much "there" anymore, but regardless, that story segue was great. I've got my own ideas on what to do with Harry pre-S3 though.
 
There are.. like, probably a million different things people think to do with the character, whether as a memorial mention, direct involvement on his behalf, or other tie-ins.

I don't think Harry ought be touched, period, and that some sleeping dogs indeed should be able to lay in the comics. We know, of course, that that is a pretty gray line easily-crossed however. And hell, I'm willing to cross it at times too--I appreciated seeing Collossus back in the universe, so there you go.

Having him be brought back from the dead, or have Norman start any death-to-life experiments (on that note, I still haven't seen anything "good" out of that character being brought back himself), I don't expect to be even appropriate for the plainly well-written way the character's arc finished in Spectacular, let alone to be able to have enough storytelling pay-off to remotely justify throwing out the death of Peter's best friend.

What I do think, however, is that the ground of Harry, the Osborn family, and their connection to Peter has worthy story material to it still. I'm definitely not talking about any weirdo plots involving Liz and Harry's boy becoming el Goblin numero tres, because, come on, that's too predictable and too ******ed. If that ever happens, please file it along with the likes of Sins Past (honestly... the idea of children of Norman isn't so awful itself, but involving Gwen is obviously a cheap and an exploited storythread).

Instilling something new in those ties between Liz, Mark (molten man), and Peter's side that's able to be relevant to the present and also involving something concrete of Harry's life from the past. It needn't even be that, either.. I know that the memory of and Harry's life prior is something useable all the same. The character is 13 years in the grave, and yet, regardless of the movie, it seems like it'd be a good time for touching on that period in Pete's life in a definite, meaningful, and immeasurably non-cheap and crappy way. "Who is Harry Osborn?"

The stories that genuinely impact the life of Peter and more than that, above and beyond that, his life in the people who are around him, are some of the best in the series, and that's because they were written well and were relevant to each character within them. I don't recall off the top of my head the last time that a story did this... giving all the written parties a genuine characterized purpose in the story. (for even in "The Child Within", Mary Jane wound up just playing the part of overstressed, smoking model, who coincidentally was around during the larger fiasco of Peter and Harry--she really didn't play a real "this is Mary Jane, separate from being Peter's wife" and/or "this is Mary Jane, and I am only writing late night monologues from our apartment about what I think of Peter's life as a superhero, and the drama going on right now" part there)

However, after the runs of "world-changing events" that the webslinger's involved in currently, regardless of Harry, it'd be good to see that again. About Harry right now though, I think they can do something not only relevant, but important with the character in an upcoming '07 story arc. And I do mean something important: not world-changing, not epic in the ramifications it unleashes on Peter's life, but significant enough that it's something worthy of remembering as a reader, and impacting on the character of Parker.
 
~†~§iX~†~ said:
On a similar note, I finally now know why Marvel went ahead and brought Uncle Ben in from another universe...solely a marketing gimmick for the movie as there will be an upcoming issue of FNSM involving Sandman. I don't know if I feel better or worse about bringing back the one character you should never bring back, so to speak, purely as advertising for a movie!......

looks like it man...

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN #17
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by TODD NAUCK
Cover by Mike Wieringo
The secrets of the alternate Uncle Ben begin to be revealed, but not before the Sandman attacks!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

Who wants to bet Sandman will no doubt cause the death of "alternate" Uncle Ben. Man, screw marvel!!

Before you know it marvel will announce that the alternate Ben killed by Sandman was really the "real" Ben Parker. What really happened was before AF#15 the alternate Ben time traveled and switched places with the real Ben and sent him back to his timeline, therefore the Uncle Ben killed by the burglar was not the orginal.

Sound confusing? It would be just like marvel to do something like that. Since you know, we need more "shocking" stories that will change things forever.:cmad:
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WebxRadar said:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Who wants to bet Sandman will no doubt cause the death of "alternate" Uncle Ben. Man, screw marvel!!

Before you know it marvel will announce that the alternate Ben killed by Sandman was really the "real" Ben Parker. What really happened was before AF#15 the alternate Ben time traveled and switched places with the real Ben and sent him back to his timeline, therefore the Uncle Ben killed by the burglar was not the orginal.

Sound confusing? It would be just like marvel to do something like that. Since you know, we need more "shocking" stories that will change things forever.:cmad:
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God damn Marvel for not doing anything but making you think of them doing something that would piss us all off a lot. :cmad: :huh:
 
Uncle Ben circa 1962 was really a hired actress on drugs. And I did just say actress.
 
ScottishFogg said:
Norman doesn't understand why the Goblin formula was able to heal him to the extent of "bringing him back to life" but hasn't done anything to Harry.

Poor editorial decisions.

ZING!

;D
 
Lt. Figgnuts said:
Poor editorial decisions.

ZING!

;D


:woot: LOL :oldrazz:

poor editorial decision or not, i'd like to see it be addressed as it is part of the Spider-Man history now. they can turn their back on the Clone Saga if they want, but everytime Osborn shows up reminds us they brought him back to life -- so, really, why isn't Harry alive?
 
Jack O'Lantern said:
He's a great forgotten character.

I wouldn't say that Harry Osborn is a forgotten character. He's just one of the very few characters in comic book history who have died and have been left to rest in peace. And many Spider-Man fans, including myself, like it that way.

But a nice little flashback story wouldn't hurt, as long as it's not going to severely alter continuity. That would be craptastic.
 
ScottishFogg said:
:woot: LOL :oldrazz:

poor editorial decision or not, i'd like to see it be addressed as it is part of the Spider-Man history now. they can turn their back on the Clone Saga if they want, but everytime Osborn shows up reminds us they brought him back to life -- so, really, why isn't Harry alive?

I believe this has been explained by the fact that Harry took a different, upgraded version of the Goblin formula. This one, that he made himself, made him crazier and stronger than before, but also (I think) made him very sick and led to his death somewhat. So, in Norman's case, the formula led to his ressurection, where in Harry's case it led to his death.
 

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