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I was reading my newspaper this morning and I saw an article about superman entitled "Emotional Kryptonite" so I read it and in the interview singer goes on to call it his first "CHICK FLICK".... for you is this a good or bad thing...I think it’s a bad thing.... its going to be the superheroes version of titanic
 
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It's not bad. The love story between Lois and Superman was always going to be the driving element of the story. It's been that way forever.

If you're going to do a returns story, you have to deal with Lois. That's the right way to go.

But the story, based on the novel, is more than that....alot more.
 
im in mich visting some old friends and their paper, the detroit free press had the article it was by Terry Lawson i believe. i checked the freeps site and it has not been updated
 
Yeah, there's a love story element to the film, but just like Howlett said, read the novel - there' A LOT more to this story. It's all good people.
 
yeah i havent read the novel yet, trying to stay spoiler free...
 
well i guess this thread can be cleared.....
 
If this is true, why would he call the film a "chick flick"? Sounds like BullS to me.
 
Bad Superman said:
If this is true, why would he call the film a "chick flick"? Sounds like BullS to me.

Well from the beginning he has used the term "what happens when old boyfriends come back" to describe the film's story
 
its not bullsh_t.... thats not my style, i dont come on here and make shi_ up....
 
And that's part of the story. But the other part of the story is dealing with the changing of the times.

In our society today, we need a hero. That's the story being told. Superman's journey is a hard one because he's again trying to find his place amongst mortals.

Does he even belong in our world today?
Does he belong in Lois' life again?

It's a really good, solid return story, based on the novel.
 
It seems in the article Singer is expressing the love story aspect of the movie which will most likely appeal to the female demographic, in turn helping to draw in that crowd.
I wouldn't get too worried. This film seems to have a bit of something for everyone.
 
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im in mich visting some old friends and there paper the detroit free press had the article it was by Terry Lawson i believe i check the freeps site and it has not been updated

Terry Lawson is a joke. I've lived in the Detroit area all my life and his opinion holds about as much water as a strainer. Yes, I like that phrase......:)

EDIT - In today's Free Press there is no such article called "Emotional Kryptonite".
 
hunter rider said:
Well from the beginning he has used the term "what happens when old boyfriends come back" to describe the film's story

I know, but isn't it a bit extreme to call it a "Chick Flick"? When someone says Chick Flick I think: Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants, Clueless, etc. :(


_____ said:
its not bullsh_t.... thats not my style, i dont come on here and make shi_ up....

Sorry dude. It's just that the term is a bit "shocking" for a Superman film. :(
 
Singer said it: It was in the NYT article a few days back.

I don't understand what the hoop-la is over this -- honestly, Superman movies are ultimately about his relationships with people -- and his love for Lois Lane. Even Raimi and practically EVERYONE who's worked on Spider-Man have said time and time again that that franchise is a love story between Parker and Mary Jane. What's with the elementary school "I'm-a-man, we-don't-talk-about-emotions" garbage floating around here? Listen, if you're reading comics, it's like my friends say, "It's soap opera for men".

Deal with it. It's a love story -- I'm actually glad it's got substance and emotional appeal -- last thing I want is another black and white, 2-dimensional flick about a man in tights that can't realize there's grey in the world.

So, with that, here's the NYT article:

It's a Bird! It's a Plane! It's the Man of . . . Feelings!
By MICHAEL JOSEPH GROSS
Correction Appended

LOS ANGELES - LOIS LANE may be implausibly clueless. (Does Clark Kent really look that different without glasses?) And her spelling has never been worse. ("How many F's in 'catastrophe'?" she asks.) But in "Superman Returns" she has finally won a Pulitzer.

The director Bryan Singer suggests that his film, set for release by Warner Brothers on June 30, makes an even more startling tribute to the Man of Steel's longtime love interest. When asked over a recent dinner here to describe the action of "Superman Returns," he spoke from Lois Lane's point of view: "This is a movie about what happens when old boyfriends come back into your life."

As the movie begins, Mr. Singer explained, Clark returns from a mysterious absence to discover that Lois has a fiancé and a child. This creates what may be the film's central quandary. "Even if you're the strongest man in the world," Mr. Singer said, "if the woman you love has found someone else that she's nearly married to that's not a bad guy, how do you figure out what your place is in that woman's life?"

He added, "I call it my first chick flick."

Making Lois (as played by Kate Bosworth) the linchpin of the Superman franchise may sound radical, but the screenwriters Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris say that it's a natural next step in the hero's saga. "In the original comic Superman was the hypermasculine guy, but slowly the romantic aspect of the character became more prominent," Mr. Dougherty said in an interview here. "First he was a fighter, and then the lover got introduced. It wasn't one or the other, it was this mixture of both."

Mr. Dougherty said it was in Richard Donner's "Superman," released by Warner in 1978, that the character became "not just this alpha male, but he was sexualized, and romance really crystallized there." Later, the television series "Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman," which was broadcast on ABC in the mid-1990's, turned the romance into what Mr. Dougherty described as "full-on soap opera."

"And then they moved the soap opera to high school: 'Smallville' is absolutely the same thing, but younger," added Mr. Harris, referring to the WB series, which followed "Lois & Clark." "It opens with Clark Kent shirtless in a cornfield. Immediately you know they're going for the sexuality of Superman."

In "Superman Returns" the hero's sexuality is tempered by traditional values, the screenwriters said. The result is a kind of civilized masculinity, an acting challenge that falls to the previously little-known Brandon Routh. Although Lois Lane has a new boyfriend, Mr. Harris explained, she's still "the woman of Clark's dreams, and it's very difficult." He added: "He's put in the position where he's got to choose between being a good guy and being who he is, which would mean going beyond the borders of who he was. Which for the first time in a movie gives Superman something he can't overcome.

"It's like Kryptonite. It's like emotional Kryptonite."

Superman's growing preoccupation with romance does mark a career step of sorts for Mr. Singer, whose first three films told stories about men engaged in elaborate games of secrecy and disclosure — that much remains the same — but without a dominant love story.

In "Public Access," an independent film made in 1993, a mysterious young man named Whiley (coincidentally, he looked and sounded like Clark Kent) arrives in a small town and starts a provocative call-in TV talk show, inciting gossip and scandal. In "The Usual Suspects," which won Oscars for the actor Kevin Spacey and the writer Christopher McQuarrie in 1996, Mr. Singer depicts the police interrogation of a man who weeps: "I'm a cripple! I'm stupid!" and turns out to be one of cinema's wiliest criminals. Next, in "Apt Pupil," the director told the tale of a boy who sets out to learn about evil under the tutelage of an old Nazi, and finds more than he wanted.

In each film the weak turn out to be strong: appearances are never what they seem. And in the end each of these main characters demonstrates his strength and power— his manhood, if you will — not by completing a quest for truth, but by demonstrating a facility with fiction. As the boy in "Apt Pupil" learns from his Nazi mentor, being honest "is a privilege of boys — a privilege that men must sometimes give up."

In his more recent movies, "X-Men" in 2000 and "X-2" in 2003, Mr. Singer has dabbled in affairs of the heart. Wolverine has his passion for the mutant Jean Grey, but he remains more committed to unlocking the secret of his own personal past; and Jean, not the vulnerable type, is probably best remembered for tricks like levitating an airplane telepathically. "I think that's a strong female character," said Mr. Singer.

Now 40, with a perfectly smooth brow and wide-set, pale blue eyes, Mr. Singer said the one common theme of his films is "the notion of identity." More than a few of his characters have multiple identities, something the director ties to his own background. "I'm adopted," he said. "So I've always drawn a parallel. I love my parents, they're my foundation, they're why I am the way I am. There's this other heritage that could be anything."

Mr. Singer described his characters as being "like onions, you peel back and they have different identities." He continued, "The stranger who comes to town ultimately has another darker side to him. The old man next door is a Nazi war criminal. The cripple in the police room is actually more than meets the eye. In 'X-Men' you've got a whole tribe of people trying to blend in with society but ultimately possessing these extraordinary powers. And in the case of Superman, he's a farm boy who discovers that he's the heir to a legacy of superheroes."

But Superman is also deeply in love with Lois, hence the 'chick flick' element that has Mr. Singer, apart from all the rollicking action beats, contemplating the Man of Steel from a woman's perspective. "He's virtuous, he doesn't lie, and he's handsome! And I think these are, these are idealistic qualities in the male that you, in someone that you'd want as a husband, I'd imagine."

Looking at his empty plate after consuming a pizza, Mr. Singer had a further thought about the nature of masculinity, super or otherwise. "If there's any virtue in it, it has a vulnerable side," he said. "Because without vulnerability one can tend to lack compassion. And without compassion one can tend to lack humanity. And these are some things a man should strive to have."

Then he groaned. "I sound like a politician."


Correction: June 4, 2006

An article today on Page 21 of Arts & Leisure about the film "Superman Returns" includes an outdated reference to the release date. After the section went to press, it was changed to June 28, from June 30.
 
Bad Superman said:
Sorry dude. It's just that the term is a bit "shocking" for a Superman film. :(
I agree...I have nothing against chick flicks, but that's just not Superman...
 
he meant that the romance in SR would appeal to women more than say the romance in his other movies...or lack thereof. The label might be a little off...but I dont think its a bad thing. It's not a romantic comedy in the traditional sense. Its a Superman movie. Superman has always been the romantic hero (at least of the DCU). Superman is one of the few superheroes to have a significant other/relationship nearly as well known as himself in pop culture.
"chick flick" might not be the best term. but there's clearly an element of romance, and there's absolutely an element of tension in said romance.
 
fangrl06 said:
I agree...I have nothing against chick flicks, but that's just not Superman...

I think we're all getting carried away here. Remember Singer is simply promoting the film. It's his job in interviews to make Superman appeal to the widest audience available. He's smart and he knows guys like us, the fanboys, and the older demo curious about this Routh-guy, are going to see this movie.

What he needs though is the young female demo. Movies nowadays CAN'T last long or be very successful without this coveted group. Face it, everyone knows MI3 tanked because women didn't see it -- and the same will hinge for flicks like POTC2.

You can even tell Singer is struggling with his desire to be an independent filmmaker (not tainted by commercial Hollywood), but his reality that he's just directed what's quite possibly WB's biggest cash-cow flick. I've read so many interviews (like the one Premiere, EW, and NYT) where he makes comments like, "I hate saying that," or "I sound like a politician". He knows he's trying to upsell this film to that female teen demo b/c he knows WB needs to advertise to them.

Call it a love story, call it a "chick flick" -- the latter resonates and Singer is hoping he can help drive sales.

Come on guys, give the guy a break; he's just the mouthpiece on this one. You don't think WB pays $280 million and expects Singer to just babble off whatever he pleases, do you? :)
 
Zor-El said:
he meant that the romance in SR would appeal to women more than say the romance in his other movies...or lack thereof. It's not a romantic comedy in the traditional sense. Its a Superman movie. Superman has always been the romantic hero. Superman is one of the few superheroes to have a significant other/relationship nearly as well known as himself in pop culture.
"chick flick" might not be the best term. but there's clearly an element of romance, and there's absolutely an element of tension in said romance.
That's all true except for saying that Superman is one of the few superheros to have a well known significant other. Think about it:
Batman & Catwoman is well known
Spider-man and Gwen Stacy is well know (mostly because of her death)
Reed Richards and Sue Storm
Spider-man and MJ
Spider-man and Black Cat
Batman and Robin....J/K
 

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