Singer nay or yah

[X-Maniac]

Tell that to the fans who got Batman Begins.

Just admit you love Fox, love the film, love Rothman, and be done with it.

I love all three X-Men movies. None of them was perfect, Singer and Ratner and all the writers made mistakes along the way. The X-Men has a huge following - and I'm one of those people. I was there way back in 1975 when they were relaunched, i remember the original team before that. I've got comics that would reach from floor to ceiling. But I'm also a realist who doesn't enjoy constantly beating myself up over everything.

X3 will not be 'unmade' or 'remade'. That's a given.

A reboot would only happen several years down the line.

And an X4 is debatable... it may happen, but you might not get what you want.

As for 'loving' Fox and Rothman, it couldn't be further from the truth. You want it to be true so you can make me a living focus for your frustration because you have a primitive, backwards mentality that needs to find blame in the nearest possible thing. You remind me of those village mobs in the Frankenstein movies or in Nightcrawler's origin story, a rather uneducated need to see things in black and white. I thought mankind had evolved since the witchhunt days.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I love all three X-Men movies. None of them was perfect, Singer and Ratner and all the writers made mistakes along the way. The X-Men has a huge following - and I'm one of those people. I was there way back in 1975 when they were relaunched, i remember the original team before that. I've got comics that would reach from floor to ceiling. But I'm also a realist who doesn't enjoy constantly beating myself up over everything.

X3 will not be 'unmade' or 'remade'. That's a given.

A reboot would only happen several years down the line.

And an X4 is debatable... it may happen, but you might not get what you want.

As for 'loving' Fox and Rothman, it couldn't be further from the truth. You want it to be true so you can make me a living focus for your frustration because you have a primitive, backwards mentality that needs to find blame in the nearest possible thing. You remind me of those village mobs in the Frankenstein movies or in Nightcrawler's origin story, a rather uneducated need to see things in black and white. I thought mankind had evolved since the witchhunt days.

I'm just calling it the way I see it. You have this way of just accepting whatever and not asking questions, which is the type of audience that Rothman, Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn seem to enjoy.

You're the type of fan that doesn't want to see another and a better X-Men film made. You call yourself a true X-Men fan, you say you followed it since 1975 when it was relaunched. No offense but I don't believe you and I don't believe you to be the X-Men fan you say you are.

Hell, if Batman fans had the attitude you had, then Batman Begins wouldn't have been made and another Batman and Robin would've followed it.

So if you want to just accept whatever, then be my guest. But there are those who have taste and standards.

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm just calling it the way I see it. You have this way of just accepting whatever and not asking questions, which is the type of audience that Rothman, Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn seem to enjoy.

You're the type of fan that doesn't want to see another and a better X-Men film made. You call yourself a true X-Men fan, you say you followed it since 1975 when it was relaunched. No offense but I don't believe you and I don't believe you to be the X-Men fan you say you are.

Hell, if Batman fans had the attitude you had, then Batman Begins wouldn't have been made and another Batman and Robin would've followed it.

So if you want to just accept whatever, then be my guest. But there are those who have taste and standards.

Maybe I'm just more realistic than you are. That's what it comes down to. I don't need you to believe or disbelieve what i say about my background, you seem determined to paint me as some kind of demon simply for enjoying elements of the movie - and that is unhealthy and wrong.

Even if you thought X3 was like Schumacher's Batman, or the last of the previous set of Superman movies... look at the long gap before a reboot occurred.

I'd love to see more X-Men movies, and better ones too. None of the movies we got have truly nailed the comicbooks. Neither have the animated series.

Instead of trying to bully me into submission, which won't work, why not do something productive with your time and energy and aim your voice and your frustrations directly at those involved in making the movie. What good are you doing by continuining to single me out?

 

[tonytr1687]

Saving people is passive action. Yea it is needed for any superhero and is essential. But every superhero has to get into a brawl and fight or it is just not a "superhero". A lot of critiques complained about the lack of action. They still said it was a good movie...which it was...I am not saying it sucked...but Superman needed a good foe for this movie to reboot the franchise. I have heard abunch of the complaints of in the SR forums and a lot I never would have noticed unless they were pointed out to me. Ras' scheme was absurd sure...but it was logical and actually a bit more detailed. Lex's scheme was just way over the top. The complainers for SR are exactly the same as in here. They take small problems and make them huge...trying to justify their complaints by saying plot holes or bad writing. Just because we don't see Jean changing outifts doesn't mean 'plot hole'. The haters over here are very vocal as well. Box office numbers showed that more people liked X3 over SR...that is on every movie page.

Whats on every movie page? That X3 was more liked than SR? Not according to the Hype's poll from a month or so ago. And not according to the poll thats on comingsoon.net's home page. Boxoffice numbers dont really mean squat in this situation. You know why? Because the only reason X3 made more is b/c of its huge opening weekend. Thats it. After that it tumbled. And that huge weekend was a result of the first two films being so well liked. Sure SR didnt have great legs, but 57% drops are a lot more common for blockbusters these days than friggin 70% drops which is what X3 had. THAT is called bad word of mouth. And the haters over here who complain about X3? You must not be listening because Jean's clothes are the least of their complaints. And those complaints are not small problems...I dont really consider things like dialogue and character development and logic to be small issues.

 

[chaseter]

Whats on every movie page? That X3 was more liked than SR? Not according to the Hype's poll from a month or so ago. And not according to the poll thats on comingsoon.net's home page. Boxoffice numbers dont really mean squat in this situation. You know why? Because the only reason X3 made more is b/c of its huge opening weekend. Thats it. After that it tumbled. And that huge weekend was a result of the first two films being so well liked. Sure SR didnt have great legs, but 57% drops are a lot more common for blockbusters these days than friggin 70% drops which is what X3 had. THAT is called bad word of mouth. And the haters over here who complain about X3? You must not be listening because Jean's clothes are the least of their complaints. And those complaints are not small problems...I dont really consider things like dialogue and character development and logic to be small issues.

X3 dropped around 66%...not 70%. I said that X3's boxoffice beat out SR's boxoffice...not that every front page said people liked X3 better so quit twisting my words and misquoting me.

For X3 to be in less theatres and not in IMAX, like SR was, means that more people went and saw X3 more than SR. What does that mean??? It means more people liked X3. The Hype's poll and comingsoon.net poll as well as other internet polls are highly biased and you should know that. The people that participate in internet polls most likely spend a lot of their time on the internet and know the history behind the movie before it comes out...especially comic heroes that have been around for decades. So internet polls do not represent a fair view of how everyone thinks.

57% drops are a lot more common for blockbusters...okay???? X3's drop was less than 10% more that SR's. Plus SR didn't have a big opening weekend. So for it to still drop nearly 60% is pretty bad. Fact of the matter is X3 has made more money than SR and more of a profit...oh yea SR hasn't made a profit. The X3 dvd will more than likely even beat out the SR dvd.

 

[X-Maniac]

Whats on every movie page? That X3 was more liked than SR? Not according to the Hype's poll from a month or so ago. And not according to the poll thats on comingsoon.net's home page. Boxoffice numbers dont really mean squat in this situation. You know why? Because the only reason X3 made more is b/c of its huge opening weekend. Thats it. After that it tumbled. And that huge weekend was a result of the first two films being so well liked. Sure SR didnt have great legs, but 57% drops are a lot more common for blockbusters these days than friggin 70% drops which is what X3 had. THAT is called bad word of mouth. And the haters over here who complain about X3? You must not be listening because Jean's clothes are the least of their complaints. And those complaints are not small problems...I dont really consider things like dialogue and character development and logic to be small issues.

The huge opening weekend is also because it is a holiday weekend, and because of good marketing that showed the film as dramatic and energetic.

Superman suffered for many reasons - we now know that too much freedom was given to Bryan Singer (too much cash, too much control over editing - everyone knows you need external influences, people do not edit their own work very well). The result was a movie that was poorly edited, leaving out some great stuff (Krypton exploration etc) and leaving in some dull stuff (childhood flashbacks etc). Then this badly-edited movie was poorly marketed with adverts that showed a bullet bouncing off his eye or his heavy landing cracking the ground - no sign of action or drama or conflict. To bring Superman to the screen again after such a long time requires a fresh approach, which we didn't get. It relied too much on what had already been seen.

X3's second weekend fall is fairly high, partly because the initial peak was so high on that holiday weekend. But all movies fall heavily on the second weekend - look up the figures for Pirates for instance. Even SR lost more than half of its audience the second weekend. Nearly 67 per cent drop on Pirates on its second Friday.

I've only heard bad word of mouth about X3 on here, not outside in the real world where I've heard only good things said. And I've only heard bad word of mouth about SR in the real world - no good word of mouth at all. I heard complaints from people leaving the auditorium after the movie.

We didn't get the best X3 - blame Fox for letting Singer go, blame Singer for not fighting to get his vision made. We didn't get the best SR - blame Singer for too much creative/financial freedom and Warner for giving it to him. It's been a tough summer for Singer's little brown-nose brigade (and his queeny friends who post on this very forum to stir up trouble, so I am told) to see him responsible for two movies that have caused some massive fan disappointments - X3 by Singer's absence, SR by Singer's presence.

Ratner was hired to do a job, to get X3 done - and that's exactly what he did. Penn/Kinberg had been hired to get a script done when Bryan took away his ideas, abandoned the X-fans and buggered off to Warner. We did at least get an X3. No thanks to Bryan on that. He managed to fail everyone this summer in one way or another.

 

[danoyse]

Fact of the matter is X3 has made more money than SR and more of a profit. The X3 dvd will more than likely even beat out the SR dvd.

Right now X3's special edition DVD is ranked at #26 on amazon.com's top 100, while the regular (less expensive) edition is #62. Apparently, people liked it enough to own the DVD, and the collector's edition at that.

 

[chaseter]

Fox did this for a reason. They are going to add a lot of deleted/extended scenes and other bonus material that a lot of people want to see...so a lot of people will buy it. I can't think of a lot of cool scenes that was cut from SR that would be on the dvd.

 

[tonytr1687]

X3 dropped around 66%...not 70%. I said that X3's boxoffice beat out SR's boxoffice...not that every front page said people liked X3 better so quit twisting my words and misquoting me.

For X3 to be in less theatres and not in IMAX, like SR was, means that more people went and saw X3 more than SR. What does that mean??? It means more people liked X3. The Hype's poll and comingsoon.net poll as well as other internet polls are highly biased and you should know that. The people that participate in internet polls most likely spend a lot of their time on the internet and know the history behind the movie before it comes out...especially comic heroes that have been around for decades. So internet polls do not represent a fair view of how everyone thinks.

57% drops are a lot more common for blockbusters...okay???? X3's drop was less than 10% more that SR's. Plus SR didn't have a big opening weekend. So for it to still drop nearly 60% is pretty bad. Fact of the matter is X3 has made more money than SR and more of a profit...oh yea SR hasn't made a profit. The X3 dvd will more than likely even beat out the SR dvd.

Okay then if polls dont count, what makes you think more ppl liked X3? Yes more ppl saw X3, but it doesnt mean more ppl liked it. There is no way to calculate that, except for polls. Saying polls are biased is just an easy way out. There is no way for you or me to tell if a poll (one that btw is on the home page for a site that hosts BOTH X-men and Superman fans) is biased or not. The only other way is to take into account each films' legs. And yes there was only a 10% difference between the two, but even still, in the world of box office thats a big difference: SR had better legs. A 66% drop equals bad word of mouth no matter which way you twist it. Oh and btw I wasnt trying to twist your words, I thought thats what you meant.

 

[danoyse]

Okay then if polls dont count, what makes you think more ppl liked X3? Yes more ppl saw X3, but it doesnt mean more ppl liked it. There is no way to calculate that, except for polls. Saying polls are biased is just an easy way out. There is no way for you or me to tell if a poll (one that btw is on the home page for a site that hosts BOTH X-men and Superman fans) is biased or not. The only other way is to take into account each films' legs. And yes there was only a 10% difference between the two, but even still, in the world of box office thats a big difference: SR had better legs. A 66% drop equals bad word of mouth no matter which way you twist it. Oh and btw I wasnt trying to twist your words, I thought thats what you meant.

Internet polls aren't so much biased as they are easily manipulated. Anyone can post a link to a poll on a message board so fans can give their favorite an edge. Anyone can find ways to vote multiple times.

And it doesn't just happen with movies--it happens with all-star voting in sports as well. Even Stephen Colbert is doing it with his audience, trying to get them to a website to vote so he can have a bridge named after him in Hungary. t:

SR had slightly better legs...but it still didn't make as much money as X3. Go to the SR boards and you'll find calls for a reboot, and Singer and his writers being called hacks as often as Ratner, Kinberg and Penn are here.

Every film this year has had a significant dropoff on it's 2nd weekend, even POTC2 dropped by half on it's second weekend--and that was the first movie in 5 years to actually stay #1 for 3 weeks in a row. X3's second weekend drop was big, there's no denying that...but it did continue to be successful enough to overcome the mixed reaction from the fans.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Maybe I'm just more realistic than you are. That's what it comes down to. I don't need you to believe or disbelieve what i say about my background, you seem determined to paint me as some kind of demon simply for enjoying elements of the movie - and that is unhealthy and wrong.

Even if you thought X3 was like Schumacher's Batman, or the last of the previous set of Superman movies... look at the long gap before a reboot occurred.

I'd love to see more X-Men movies, and better ones too. None of the movies we got have truly nailed the comicbooks. Neither have the animated series.

Instead of trying to bully me into submission, which won't work, why not do something productive with your time and energy and aim your voice and your frustrations directly at those involved in making the movie. What good are you doing by continuining to single me out?

I single you, Danoyse, Weatherwitch, and others out because you're the type of audience that Fox truly adores. You don't question anything, you blindly follow their lead, and let them make decisions for you instead of seeing the real truth that X3 is a piece of steaming pile of crap.

The fact that you can sit behind a computer and say X3 is more quality than SR is truly laughable, and you actually type that with a straight face? SR had more emotion, more drama, and a deeper meaning than X3 could dream of having.

You're only saying it because X3 catered more to your ADD needs in terms of action, mindblowing visuals, and no character development. I don't care if you enjoyed the movie, just stop praising it as if Jesus Christ himself directed the film.

Bottom line? You're a Fox loyalist, as is people like Danoyse and Weatherwitch who will just accept a "popcorn flick" as the ending of a trilogy that could've been great.

 

[danoyse]

I single you, Danoyse, Weatherwitch, and others out because you're the type of audience that Fox truly adores. You don't question anything, you blindly follow their lead, and let them make decisions for you instead of seeing the real truth that X3 is a piece of steaming pile of crap.

The fact that you can sit behind a computer and say X3 is more quality than SR is truly laughable, and you actually type that with a straight face? SR had more emotion, more drama, and a deeper meaning than X3 could dream of having.

You're only saying it because X3 catered more to your ADD needs in terms of action, mindblowing visuals, and no character development. I don't care if you enjoyed the movie, just stop praising it as if Jesus Christ himself directed the film.

Bottom line? You're a Fox loyalist, as is people like Danoyse and Weatherwitch who will just accept a "popcorn flick" as the ending of a trilogy that could've been great.

Honestly, will you just give it a rest already?

You know absolutely nothing about the people you bash, and manage to take every thread with a productive conversation and turn it into a baseless attack-fest. I know I'm not the only one who's sick of it, and it's not because you keep calling me out personally.

If you don't mind, the rest of us are having a discussion. The points of which, positive or negative, have been thoughtfully written out by both fans and detractors without name-calling anyone.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Honestly, will you just give it a rest already?

You know absolutely nothing about the people you bash, and manage to take every thread with a productive conversation and turn it into a baseless attack-fest. I know I'm not the only one who's sick of it, and it's not because you keep calling me out personally.

If you don't mind, the rest of us are having a discussion. The points of which, positive or negative, have been thoughtfully written out by both fans and detractors without name-calling anyone.

Go to the XVerse if you're tired of the negative comments, people there praise the film 24/7 and they seem to be more of your type.

I'm not going anywhere and intelligent discussions by ripping on Superman Returns or any other movie better than X3 is not a discussion. Now if you don't mind, go to the XVerse. I'm tired of your kind here ruining what integrity the X3 forums of the SHH! once had.

But if it'll make you feel better X3 IS THE BEST MOVIE EVER!

Thank you Ratner, Kinberg, Penn, and Rothman for delivering such an epic that is filled with emotion and tragedy.

There is that better for you? Or do I need to praise it more?

 

[X-Maniac]

I single you, Danoyse, Weatherwitch, and others out because you're the type of audience that Fox truly adores. You don't question anything, you blindly follow their lead, and let them make decisions for you instead of seeing the real truth that X3 is a piece of steaming pile of crap.

The fact that you can sit behind a computer and say X3 is more quality than SR is truly laughable, and you actually type that with a straight face? SR had more emotion, more drama, and a deeper meaning than X3 could dream of having.

You're only saying it because X3 catered more to your ADD needs in terms of action, mindblowing visuals, and no character development. I don't care if you enjoyed the movie, just stop praising it as if Jesus Christ himself directed the film.

Bottom line? You're a Fox loyalist, as is people like Danoyse and Weatherwitch who will just accept a "popcorn flick" as the ending of a trilogy that could've been great.

I never said X3 had more quality. I'm not sure where you got that from - you keep inventing things people are supposed to have said! Are you sane?

But X3 had more quality and craft in it than you dare to admit - the opening scenes with Xavier/Magneto/young Jean and with young Angel, are similar to the opening of X1 (which also had two flashbacks) and neither of those sequences are wham-bam explosions. This film is NOT all explosions - your memory is selective and coloured by hatred. If you even saw the film. There are many scenes without explosions and pyrotechnics. A lot of character development, both through obvious scenes and through character 'moments' where emotion is conveyed without words (Rogue looking at Bobby/Kitty, Pyro looking at Magneto when he abandons Mystique, Leech looking out of the window at Angel flying past).

You have obviously forgotten what was in the movie, if you ever saw it at all. So what you are saying is completely wrong.

Yes, it could have been better, but it's nowhere near as bad as you make out.

You can leave the keyboard and get back into bed with Bryan now.

 

[Jan Irisi]

Go to the XVerse if you're tired of the negative comments, people there praise the film 24/7 and they seem to be more of your type.

I'm not going anywhere and intelligent discussions by ripping on Superman Returns or any other movie better than X3 is not a discussion. Now if you don't mind, go to the XVerse. I'm tired of your kind here ruining what integrity the X3 forums of the SHH! once had.

But if it'll make you feel better X3 IS THE BEST MOVIE EVER!

Thank you Ratner, Kinberg, Penn, and Rothman for delivering such an epic that is filled with emotion and tragedy.

There is that better for you? Or do I need to praise it more?

Dude, seriously. I really suggest you stop doing what you are doing. It won't end well.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Dude, seriously. I really suggest you stop doing what you are doing. It won't end well.

You're right. I'll just continue to praise the movie and not acknowledge its flaws, especially since it tends to hurt your feelings, Danoyses, X-Maniacs, and Weatherwitchs feelings.

I mean, after all, pointing out flaws for the best movie of the trilogy is a no no.

So, when is this awesome movie coming out on DVD? Can't wait for Fox to put out the awesome deleted extended scenes! WOHOO! Go X3!

 

[danoyse]

I'm not going anywhere and intelligent discussions by ripping on Superman Returns or any other movie better than X3 is not a discussion. Now if you don't mind, go to the XVerse. I'm tired of your kind here ruining what integrity the X3 forums of the SHH! once had.

But if it'll make you feel better X3 IS THE BEST MOVIE EVER!

Thank you Ratner, Kinberg, Penn, and Rothman for delivering such an epic that is filled with emotion and tragedy.

There is that better for you? Or do I need to praise it more?

No, you can try acting like an adult and actually read what people post.

I never ripped SR. On the contrary, I've seen it twice and I'm looking forward to getting the DVD. I was only stating that X3 made more money, which is a fact.

You didn't like X3. Why would I want you to praise it? Bash it all you want, I think we'd all love it if you'd stop threadjacking with your ridiculous accusations.

It's not our fault you didn't like the movie. Stop acting like it is.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

No, you can try acting like an adult and actually read what people post.

I never ripped SR. On the contrary, I've seen it twice and I'm looking forward to getting the DVD. I was only stating that X3 made more money, which is a fact.

You didn't like X3. Why would I want you to praise it? Bash it all you want, I think we'd all love it if you'd stop threadjacking with your ridiculous accusations.

It's not our fault you didn't like the movie. Stop acting like it is.

This movie is so awesome! I can't wait to get it on DVD.

 

[Jan Irisi]

You're right. I'll just continue to praise the movie and not acknowledge its flaws, especially since it tends to hurt your feelings, Danoyses, X-Maniacs, and Weatherwitchs feelings.

I mean, after all, pointing out flaws for the best movie of the trilogy is a no no.

So, when is this awesome movie coming out on DVD? Can't wait for Fox to put out the awesome deleted extended scenes! WOHOO! Go X3!

That's not what I meant and you know it. Stop the insults, stop the "calling out" crap...just stop.

Right now you are baiting, trolling and being an ass. Stop now before you are booted from the site.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

That's not what I meant and you know it. Stop the insults, stop the "calling out" crap...just stop.

Right now you are baiting, trolling and being an ass. Stop now before you are booted from the site.

It's okay for them to troll, bait, and be an ass. But God Forbid anyone defends him or herself from the likes of loyalists?

If anyone should be banned its them for baiting, trolling, and being rude.

 

[X-Maniac]

You're right. I'll just continue to praise the movie and not acknowledge its flaws, especially since it tends to hurt your feelings, Danoyses, X-Maniacs, and Weatherwitchs feelings.

I mean, after all, pointing out flaws for the best movie of the trilogy is a no no.

So, when is this awesome movie coming out on DVD? Can't wait for Fox to put out the awesome deleted extended scenes! WOHOO! Go X3!

Except you are not pointing out the flaws. You are attacking other posters who liked some or all of the movie.

Anyone who can enjoy this movie must of course be a Fox loyalist... yes, of course, how logical...

Your hated is so political, so much about the people who made the movie and the people who watched it, rather than about the movie itself.

Tell Bryan he let us all down this summer. Except the movie from which he was noticeably absent crapped all over the movie where he was noticeably present. i'm not sure what we can glean from that.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Except you are not pointing out the flaws. You are attacking other posters who liked some or all of the movie.

Anyone who can enjoy this movie must of course be a Fox loyalist... yes, of course, how logical...

Your hated is so political, so much about the people who made the movie and the people who watched it, rather than about the movie itself.

Tell Bryan he let us all down this summer. Except the movie from which he was noticeably absent crapped all over the movie where he was noticeably present. i'm not sure what we can glean from that.

Then X3 got crapped on by The Break-Up and to add insult to injury POTC 2 crapped on X3 as well, and yes, it crapped on SR too.

So really, you have nothing to cheer or gloat about.

My hatred of the film is political and personal really. I hate Fox, I hate Ratner, I hate Kinberg and Penn, and I hate those who just blindly follow it and praise it like Jesus Christ Himself came from the Heavens to direct the film.

So if my words hurt your feelings then I won't apologize. As I said, the XVerse is full of people who loved the film and don't question its flaws, so go there if you want to be around people who love it 24/7.

 

[Jan Irisi]

Just stop.

 

[danoyse]

Don’t be so dramatic. Adding the title ‘Dr.’ to Jean Grey does not fundamentally change the heart and soul of who Jean Grey is and what her life is about. Simply being a doctor does not inhibit her character traits. Her priorities certainly aren't limited to the likes of boys and shopping.

I don't think it did, either. Since they weren't using Beast, they did need a character for scenes of scientific/medical explanations of mutation, and Jean seemed a good enough fit for it.

What the Hell? A symbol for people suffering from HIV/AIDS?

I didn't see that connection at all.

I don't think the movie version of Rogue was meant a symbol of anything outside of an extreme mutation--not being able to touch anyone. A lot of the abilities the X-Men have would be considered "cool" by many just being introduced to the characters. Rogue has a mutation that most people wouldn't want.

She was terrified of that mutation in the first movie, was more comfortable by the 2nd movie--not so much by the mutuation, but by being around people who weren't going to shun her for it, and she was adapting.

I just watched X2 again this week, as much as she was adapting, she still looked like the thing she wanted most was to touch someone. The biggest smile she had in the movie was that little kiss she shared with Bobby in his bedroom. I think she would have jumped at the chance of a cure at any point in the trilogy, not just in X3.

 

[X-Maniac]

Then X3 got crapped on by The Break-Up and to add insult to injury POTC 2 crapped on X3 as well, and yes, it crapped on SR too.

So really, you have nothing to cheer or gloat about.

My hatred of the film is political and personal really. I hate Fox, I hate Ratner, I hate Kinberg and Penn, and I hate those who just blindly follow it and praise it like Jesus Christ Himself came from the Heavens to direct the film.

So if my words hurt your feelings then I won't apologize. As I said, the XVerse is full of people who loved the film and don't question its flaws, so go there if you want to be around people who love it 24/7.

I already post at Xverse... because I like to talk about X-Men.

I just don't have your intense political stance. Did you hate Fox when they did X1 and X2, when they did X-files and the (brilliant but short-lived) Millennium?

What about HBO, who went on record with their commitment to the innovative series Carnivale, then cancelled it after the second season, thus leaving it on a cliffhanger never to be resolved... Ironically, the box set of the second season even includes the interviews where they were saying how committed they were to the vision of the series.

I think Fox should have learned from what happened, for sure. Singer's departure, Vaughn fleeing back home, the rush to get it all done on time, and (if they are aware of it) the mixed reaction online.

But you cannot un-make the movie or un-release the DVD or un-sell the tickets that catapulted it to box office success. If you truly hated it that much - and I cannot say I share your level of sheer unbridled hatred - then you surely take positive action in the real world, not negative frothing at the mouth on a fan forum....