Why Singer left the X-men franchise

Discussion in 'X-Men 1, 2 & 3' started by The Major, Feb 22, 2008.

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  1. The Major Registered

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    This is a response to X-Maniac in the Wolverine (spoilers) forum that fits here instead since it impacts X-3 more then the Wolverine movie.

    X-men isn't Superman. He delivered a good movie just not the perfect Superman one. Singer has nothing to prove with making good X-men films. He's already made two.

    He never made X-3 because of Rothman.

    Fox could make a Singer X-3 with a snap of their fingers if they desired.

    Then again that would require them to admit they screwed up.

    "Chose" to leave? You should ask Rothman why he left.




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  2. X-Maniac High Evolutionary

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    ^^^ None of that matters anymore. Singer left, he moved on, for whatever reason. X3 is not going to be unmade or remade and neither he nor Fox nor anyone else is going to turn up on your doorstep and make the exact movie you want.

    No one on here has ever wished bad things on the X-Men franchise. We're mostly X-Men fans and want the best for them. We all want good movies. I've been reading the X-Men comics since 1975, probably longer than anyone else on this forum. But most of us have moved on, just as most normal sane folks in the real world have.

    The perfect X-movie hasn't yet been made. The perfect movie of any kind hasn't yet been made. Superhero adaptations have been problematic with all studios - Universal's Hulk had a 70% drop in its second weekend, Sony put out the ghastly Ghost Rider, Warner gave us Crapwoman and the Schumacher Batman disasters, and an underperforming Superman Returns which failed to resonate with the general public.

    All possible arguments relating to X3 and the X-movies have been covered here in some way. Some hate X3, some like it, some love it, some enjoy it considering the circumstances. And that's really all there is to it.
     
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    Singer leaving is a major problem with the franchise. if they could do it to him it doesn't matter who else they hand it to they'll just find a way to destroy it anyway.

    Rothman and his cronies being anywhere near the franchise is a disaster waiting to happen.


    They already gave me two good X-men movies that I loved. X-men and X-men 2. I want more of these movies. They've already shown they can make them when they put some effort in.

    I didn't say anybody here does.

    Moving on is what Fox wants us to do. They depend on it. That way they can keep on making crappy movies and they won't be accountable for it.

    While fans can't hurt them financially we can take them to task for their mistakes on the internet and talking amongst ourselves.

    Letting our guard down after X-men 3, FF and the DD movies is just asking for them to do it again. Who knows what franchises they'll hurt next if they don't learn from their mistakes.

    Batman Begins, The first two X-men films, Sin City, the first two Blade films, the first two Superman films, the Spider-man trilogy, Hellboy. All great superhero/comic adaptions.

    It can be done.

    All it requires is the studios to do their jobs properly. This is their element. They should know enough by now how to make good adaptions. It's inexcusable why they fail again and again. They should learn from mistakes from the peers and their own. It's not rocket science here.

    People will always talk about the movie regardless of how they feel.
     
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    I used to have these X-Men 3 conversations with X-Maniac every week until I finally realized it's pointless to argue with him. You can present facts and theories that back up your argument and X-Maniac will either change the subject, ignore, or periodically forget about the information that you presented. It's pathetic but, he also continues to deny that he has an agenda against anyone who says negative things about X-Men 3 inspite of spending almost 2 years trying to keep all of the X-Men 3 haters quite.

    One thing that should be noted is it isn't just Fox's comic book movies that people are disappointed with. It's 95% of their sci-fi and action movies that people are disappointed with and Star Wars does not count. Lucasfilm owns the copyrights. No studio has destroyed as many franchises as Fox has in the past 15 years. They ruined Aliens(Alien 3), Predator(Predator 2), AVP(AVP1 and 2), Eragon, X-Men(X3), Fantastic Four(1and2), Daredevil, Speed(Speed 2), Planet of the Apes(2001), LXG, and possibly Jumper as a result of it's horrible reviews and lukewarm boxoffice gross. This summer Fox will inexplicably be releasing an X-Files film that should have come out 7 years ago with a suicide release date. They will also, be releasing a DBZ movie with a script thrown together in a few weeks right before the writers strike took place.

    Everyone who had their expectations completely destroyed by those abominations mentioned above have every right to be angry with Fox and complain about how their tyrant executives dictate the way their movies are made. Hiring hack or inexperienced directors, under-budgeting their films, and lying to fans about script reviews and run times, procrastinating to make films, and banning certain critics(Moriarty from AICN) they don't like from their screenings are common place with this company.

    I thought I had seen it all until Fox decided to sue the theater one AICN critic worked for after he released a negative FF2 review. Then Fox decided to pull out a week before last summer's comic-con because they had no AVP footage to show!!! That was quite bizzare but, then eight months later Fox decides to sue Warner Brothers for the Watchmen rights weeks before post production is done on the Watchmen film inspite of not doing a damn thing with the rights for almost 20 years.
     
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  6. danoyse Snikt. Stab. Repeat.

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  7. X-Maniac High Evolutionary

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    You're obviously desperate to pick a fight so you are now attacking me and demonising me as though i am somehow to blame. It's sooooo boring.
     
  8. X-Maniac High Evolutionary

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    You're damn right!
     
  9. The Major Registered

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    I'm not desperate for a fight at all. We're having an argument. They happen a lot on message boards. :D

    I want to hear your side of the story.

    If any points I've made are wrong I'll admit you were right if you convince me of that fact.
     
  10. X-Maniac High Evolutionary

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    I don't have any 'side of the story'. I have no links with Fox and I don't know what the official story is. I doubt you do either!

    I know an argument is what you want, and I can sense a control-freak aspect here. Which is why I'm not bothering. The arguments on both sides are well-rehearsed.
     
  11. danoyse Snikt. Stab. Repeat.

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    Actually it happens a lot on this message board on this board in particular. There are about 2 dozen threads on this very same subject.

    The other threads that had nothing to do with this subject inevitably went there anyway, so you can probably pick any one and find what you're looking for on those as well. :oldrazz:

    Just trying to help...I can see this thread is going down a dark road already.
     
  12. X-Maniac High Evolutionary

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    I fear for this thread. It needs a good spanking.
     
  13. The Major Registered

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    Do you think he might work for Fox?

    They should just stop making genre and super-hero movies if they hate the so much.

    They'd even save tonnes of money from buying licenses they have no intention of making quality films on.


    Didn't hear about the Moriarty thing.

    It seems like they're more interested in screwing with people behind the scenes then making good movies. If only they used that energy into making good movies.

    It makes sense in a cold logic ruthless kind of thinking.
     
  14. X-Maniac High Evolutionary

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    Of course! That must be it! Anyone who has another opinion to yours must work for Fox! Yes, there's logic at its finest. Congrats. :hehe:
     
  15. The Major Registered

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    Relax.

    I'm sure you do know of "plants" on movie sites.
     
  16. The Major Registered

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    Somehow this doesn't surprise me.

    It's only logical. The X-men franchise has a fan-base that are extremely protective of the franchise. it's quite natural that they would talk about the bad things that X-3 did to the franchise.

    Did anybody else bring up the Rothman article from AICN?

    Thanks for speaking up, danoyse.
     
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    Yes. Most of us were here at the time of the script review's original release. Needless to say, it wasn't a very nice place to be.
     
  18. X-Maniac High Evolutionary

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    Of course. There are 'plants' supporting movies and 'plants' from rival studios who attack other movies/studios. It's a vicious and very political game.

    But you raise all this stuff about X-Men as if somehow it's never been raised before.
     
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    Dead horse people....dead horse!
     
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    I'm sorry, I know this pic is used to death on forums, and it's been used here a lot, but...I have to post it, just as an attempt to bring you guys to the light:

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  21. X-Maniac High Evolutionary

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    ^^ flavio, there's no picture. We're still in the dark!
     
  22. danoyse Snikt. Stab. Repeat.

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    Yeah, it was brought up.



    Once or twice.



    Per week.



    For at least a year.



    Probably longer.



    :whatever:
     
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  24. The Original Bamfer Big, Bald and Beautiful

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    I agree.
     
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