So, has X-Men earned the right to join "The cool trilogy club"?

Does X-Men get to join the "cool trilogy club"?

  • Yes

  • No


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LastSunrise1981 said:
You still don't get it do you? The Rogue in the comics was very much insecure about herself and her ability to live happily, but she never took a cure and would've never walked out on the X-Men during their time of need.

I'll give you Magneto, that was a good ending and showed him in the shoes of species he hates with a passion.

But it sounds like you're being an apologist and just accepting crap. It's not just Rogue fans are pissed off about; it's the depiction of Cyclops, the bastardization of the Phoenix Saga, the weak final battle, and the empty promises/misleadings by the writers and the director of this project.

Yet again the problem .... This is NOT the comic.
Comic Rogue may be strong and a fighter but from the first moment we see movie Rogue she is a happy regular kid .... planning a trip and wanting to make out with her boyfriend ... She NEVER wanted her powers .... her powers are a curse.

Movie Rogue was just a scared child and for me X3 brought her story full circle.

As for Jean .... whoever said this was going to be the Phoenix saga in movie form ??
The Phoenix saga is EPIC ... it would take two movies just to set-up the back story.

This was simply a story about Jeans powers needing to be kept under control ... she had a split personality ... Jean / and a dark side that she named Phoenix.

No cosmic forces ... just a tragic story of a good person who could not contain the gifts she was born with.
 
DACrowe said:
No. For BF to be like X3 is that it would open with Batman getting killed by Catwoman 10 minutes in and Robin ocming in and banging Catwoman and being the main hero for the rest of it while we completely ignore the earlier scenes and it becomes about Batman fighting the Joker again but the Joker has been camped up and all of his coolness and menace in the first film has been replaced with mediocrity.

That would be more equivalent.

I say we were expecting ROTJ for X3 (ROTK fled away after Singer left) but we got Episode I with the Ewoks and Hayden Christiansan thrown in. A really rotten deal....really.
You could have just said for bf to be like x3, it would have had to be entertaining and saved yourself a lot of typing
 
livrule said:
Yet again the problem .... This is NOT the comic.
Comic Rogue may be strong and a fighter but from the first moment we see movie Rogue she is a happy regular kid .... planning a trip and wanting to make out with her boyfriend ... She NEVER wanted her powers .... her powers are a curse.

Movie Rogue was just a scared child and for me X3 brought her story full circle.

As for Jean .... whoever said this was going to be the Phoenix saga in movie form ??
The Phoenix saga is EPIC ... it would take two movies just to set-up the back story.

This was simply a story about Jeans powers needing to be kept under control ... she had a split personality ... Jean / and a dark side that she named Phoenix.

No cosmic forces ... just a tragic story of a good person who could not contain the gifts she was born with.

Wrong. You see Rogue was coming into her own in X2 and wasn't afraid to use her powers to stop Pyro.

Rogue is a vital comic book character. The fact that you defend her depiction shows that you're an apologist and are just willing to accept anything, everything, and crap just so you can get a movie with no emotion.

Her story wasn't brought full circle at all. Rogue, in the comics, would've never left her team in the cold when they needed her most. As I said she was coming into her own in X2.

Rogue, while always being insecure and afraid of her powers, she was still strong and always knew her purpose in life was to be an X-Men.
 
LastSunrise1981 said:
Wrong. You see Rogue was coming into her own in X2 and wasn't afraid to use her powers to stop Pyro.

Rogue is a vital comic book character. The fact that you defend her depiction shows that you're an apologist and are just willing to accept anything, everything, and crap just so you can get a movie with no emotion.

Her story wasn't brought full circle at all. Rogue, in the comics, would've never left her team in the cold when they needed her most. As I said she was coming into her own in X2.

Rogue, while always being insecure and afraid of her powers, she was still strong and always knew her purpose in life was to be an X-Men.

Gee .... there you go again .... Rogue in the COMIC.

This is NOT Comic book Rogue ... This is the movie version, a very different character.

In the comics Rogue retains powers from many characters she has touched over the years ... she is strong, fast and a vital member of the team.
In the movies Rogue is just a kid ... she feels left out and alone. All she wants is a normal life.

She would have been of little use in the final battle ...

Jumping ship and going for the cure made perfect sense.

You cannot seperate the comic book universe and the movie universe so I'm probably wasting my time with this.

As for being an apologist ... nope. Just someone who loves all the movies and can drag himself away from the comics long enough to enjoy them for what they are.
 
livrule said:
Gee .... there you go again .... Rogue in the COMIC.

This is NOT Comic book Rogue ... This is the movie version, a very different character.

In the comics Rogue retains powers from many characters she has touched over the years ... she is strong, fast and a vital member of the team.
In the movies Rogue is just a kid ... she feels left out and alone. All she wants is a normal life.

She would have been of little use in the final battle ...

Jumping ship and going for the cure made perfect sense.

You cannot seperate the comic book universe and the movie universe so I'm probably wasting my time with this.

As for being an apologist ... nope. Just someone who loves all the movies and can drag himself away from the comics long enough to enjoy them for what they are.

And that is why Spider-Man, Batman Begins, Sin City, and Superman Returns(When its released on the 28th) are much more respected comic book movie adaptations than X3 will ever be.

They didn't deviate so far from the source material, some changes were made that's true, however, none of them really conflicted with the story and didn't butcher a character that was set to be a major factor.

How would she have been little use in the final battle? She could've came along and possibly absorbed Storm or Phoenix, and Juggernaut which would've gave her strength and the ability to fly. Again, you're sounding like an apologist and a fan who will accept anything.

Yes, I am a fanboy, I'm proud to be one and I'm proud to say that I am a fan of the comics. So if that makes me a whiney fanboy, then so be it.

Since you feel differently than I do, then perhaps they need to stop making comic book movies? Since after all we're supposed to be able to "seperate" comic books and movies.

Then why bother adaptating comic books then? Just leave the way they are. ::sarcasm mode turned off::
 
LastSunrise1981 said:
And that is why Spider-Man, Batman Begins, Sin City, and Superman Returns(When its released on the 28th) are much more respected comic book movie adaptations than X3 will ever be.

They didn't deviate so far from the source material, some changes were made that's true, however, none of them really conflicted with the story and didn't butcher a character that was set to be a major factor.

How would she have been little use in the final battle? She could've came along and possibly absorbed Storm or Phoenix, and Juggernaut which would've gave her strength and the ability to fly. Again, you're sounding like an apologist and a fan who will accept anything.

Yes, I am a fanboy, I'm proud to be one and I'm proud to say that I am a fan of the comics. So if that makes me a whiney fanboy, then so be it.

Since you feel differently than I do, then perhaps they need to stop making comic book movies? Since after all we're supposed to be able to "seperate" comic books and movies.

Then why bother adaptating comic books then? Just leave the way they are. ::sarcasm mode turned off::

"Whiney fanboy" ... Finally something we agree on.

Hey, I'm glad you are a fan of the comics .... so am I, have collected the X-men for over twenty years.

But if you are trying to force your opinions on others simply because you hated the whole movie then its a waste of time.
You must accept that many people really enjoyed X3.

Calling someone an apologist just because they can get over the character changes seems a bit sad.

In the comics Rogue can shatter mountains, lead the team and go toe to toe with the best Marvel has to offer.

In the movie she is just an unhappy kid ..... wanting nothing more than to be able to touch the people she loves.

In future I think you should just stay home and read the printed page.
 
livrule said:
"Whiney fanboy" ... Finally something we agree on.

Hey, I'm glad you are a fan of the comics .... so am I, have collected the X-men for over twenty years.

But if you are trying to force your opinions on others simply because you hated the whole movie then its a waste of time.
You must accept that many people really enjoyed X3.

Calling someone an apologist just because they can get over the character changes seems a bit sad.

In the comics Rogue can shatter mountains, lead the team and go toe to toe with the best Marvel has to offer.

In the movie she is just an unhappy kid ..... wanting nothing more than to be able to touch the people she loves.

In future I think you should just stay home and read the printed page.

I don't hate the movie at all. It's a good movie, however, it's wasted potential and could've been so much better than it was. If that makes me a whiney fanboy then so be it.

I'm not saying Rogue had to shatter mountains, pick up a Sentinel, and pick up cars to toss them at her enemies. Because quite frankly, that would look pretty silly on the big screen(IMO).

I don't think things like that should be done unless that hero is The Hulk or Superman. It doesn't change the fact that they bastardized the material.
 
thealiasman2000 said:
I think the problem with movie series nowadays is that too people are like Kroc1138.
Ok lets hear what you have to say. Even though you wrongly assume that I'm some whiny little fanboy.

Six or seven movies!? That's in sane. Who the hell would have the patience to stand SEVEN movies about the damn X-Men?
It takes one simple thing. Good, consistent writing. Look at the Harry Potter movies. So far they are all going strong and it's up to four movies. Fans are eagerly awaiting the fifth one. I can list many movies that have Lots of movies that the fans love.
Star Trek For example has 10 films.
James Bond (enough said) Has another film coming after 40+ years.
Granted some of the films the either series vary in quality they are still hugely popular and fan still eagerly await whats coming next. Star Trek main problem was not that it had 10 films, it was the fact that the Producers at the time (esp of the TNG films) had a vision that differed from what the fans wanted and diverged from the vision of Star Trek. Second, it became a One Dimension Shadow of it's former self. The TNG era Films fizzled after four films with Nemesis ending the series with a wimper and not with a bang. Whereas, under different producers, the TOS era film were of better quality (they also vary) but whern you look at Star Trek 6 you see a satisfying conclusion to a series that had it's ups and downs. (To me that is the best of the series)
The notion that people will get tired of a film series is only correct when you look at it from a deeper perpective. Mainly, is the integrity of the series staying strong or is it being compromised. Otherwise, you poorly explained your point.


All good series end with a fourth movie. After that, it's just overkill.
Not really. For starters your whole premise is off. Generally, sequels are both something fans look forward to and dread at the same time. They are loved because the fans like to see their favorite characters grow and develop plus see the story continue. The main reason people dread them is the execution of the sequel. Whether or not they will be consistent with the preceding movie in all aspects. (especially in character development)
Change of Directors, writers and producers is also another sign of a possible bad sequel.

Ultimately, what kills big movie series is partially how many movies b/c it is a BIG commitment. But if you actors/writers/directors/producers are committed to making sure that the movie series stays strong the it is not a problem. Fan don't get bored by a movie series of 6-7 films, they get angry that the movies they loved went in the wrong direction or they became One dimensional, or even worse it started to parody itself with campy, cynical jokes. All these are symptoms of a change in creative control, which goes to the changing of Directors/writers/Producers.

And I don't care if the comics spanned five decades, that doesn't mean that the movie series should be endless.
Who the Hell is asking for an endless series?? I just wanted a satisfying series with a satisfying conclusion. What I got was an anticlimactic conclusion and pointless movie. There is more stories that could have been told since there are numerous Xmen Characters. That doesn't mean that every story should be told just that if you are to plan an X-Men series, you have to look at it Like this: (and ask these questions)
-What are the Comic Storylines (sagas) that we can adapt?
-How can we develop each character equally? Can we even develop all the characters?
Which would lead to:
-How many movies should be in the series?
-How Many character should be in the main cast?
-How characters (heroes/villains) can we intro throughout the series.
-How should the series end.

If you adapt a book saga with 40 books in it to the big screen, you make 40 movies? That's just stupid.
I think you are forgetting another option. Don't do it at all. But then who's to say that making 40 movies isn't the best thing to do. Sometimes you need to take big risks in filmaking. Look at LOTR, Filming Three movies at the same time is a HUGE risk that paid off in spades. Bigger and bolder risks are always occuring. The next one could be what you suggested.


I don't care how bad "The Last Stand" was, it's best to quit while they are ahead.
Thus Disappointing fans and nonfans alike. (at least those with good taste in movies)

And how the hell can you cram Apocalypse and the Shi'ar into the convoluted plot of "The Last Stand"?
You don't throw them into one movie!!! Are you that stupid?!? That's why I suggesting a longer series with longer movies.

For that matter, how the hell do you have the budget to portray them?
That is the only Small problem. Money. It can be pulled off depending on the vision of the Director and whether or not the Producers trust that vision. It's a gamble, that's what making movies are.
 
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