So, I got offered the chance to witness someone getting killed...

[Cunning Stunts]

I just can't bring myself to care about a person who's killed someone else in cold blood. Take the money that would have been used to support this guy in prison and spend it on an at-risk kid so he won't end up on death row too, I say.

I get where you're coming from, but how are you any different as an executioner than you are as a murder? Sure, you're doing it because "justice" tells you to, but you're doing exactly what we're trying to stop criminals from doing.

An eye for an eye doesn't work. I'm still for inducing an engineered and effective series/system of torture, depending on the crime, to psych the criminals out of wanting to commit the crimes. Give them that whole, "Holy crap, that's what I've been doing to people?" feeling.

A "lifetime of pain, anguish, and respect for death" teaches a lot more than "dead" does.

 

[Addendum]

I get where you're coming from, but how are you any different as an executioner than you are as a murder?

The only people that have to deal with that question are those directly involved in the process: those in the district attorney's office representing the state who believe that the crime merits the death penalty, the 12 jurors who believe that the prosecution proved their case, and the guards at the prison who make sure it's carried out.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

The only people that have to deal with that question are those directly involved in the process: those in the district attorney's office representing the state who believe that the crime merits the death penalty, the 12 jurors who believe that the prosecution proved their case, and the guards at the prison who make sure it's carried out.

And those who vote to enable and/or allow the death penalty, because they're essentially creating the environment to allow these kinds of things to happen, should it be allowed in their given states/countries.

 

[Addendum]

The death penalty was already in place in Tennessee before I was born in 1978

 

[Majic Walrus]

Perhaps the least disturbing to watch, but it can still be incredibly painful for the recipient.



you almost sound like you're saying everyone should see one...
which would mean we'd have to kill a lot more people.

Surely you would have realized that the death penalty involved a real person being killed by another before you saw it?

I don't think we should do it at all. Let me make myself clear. I mean painfully clear. I hate the death penalty and I would love to see the day we absolish it nation-wide.

That being said if someone has the chance to witness it they should. It's a powerful experience and no matter how many times I see a fake version on TV, or a real version on the internet, or my imagination nothing comes close to seeing a real man die. In front of you. Mere feet away. The thought instantly that came to my mind was, "I should've done something." not that there was anything I could've done...

It's a powerful experience.

 

[Logan's Lady]

I couldn't do it....

If someone died in an accident in front of me that would be one thing. But I would never CHOOSE to witness someone dying.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Watching somebody die is ****ed up, but I'd probably do it. It would help me as a writer.

 

[[A]]

If that someone made something bad to me, I'd probably see it. 2nd row, so I can put my feet up

 

[NickSox]

I'm a photojournalist in a medium sized market and had never seen anyone die before I started here. Now I've seen quite a few people either die while I'm there or are still there lying on the ground dead. The first time was hard to stomach but it was actually kind of enlightening. People die everyday and if you're in news you're going to see it someday. Might as well take advantage of a controlled situation to see it and report it rather than never having witnessed it and showing up to a story harder to stomach than this one.

 

[BestGirl]

I get where you're coming from, but how are you any different as an executioner than you are as a murder? Sure, you're doing it because "justice" tells you to, but you're doing exactly what we're trying to stop criminals from doing.

You're not doing exactly what the criminal did. You aren't killing the criminal for no reason; he killed someone else in cold blood and it's long been established that anyone who does that runs the risk of receiving the death penalty. Any murderer knows the risk he's running. Plus, the guy receives a trial with an attorney so he has a public opportunity to defend himself. How many murder victims can say the same?

An eye for an eye doesn't work. I'm still for inducing an engineered and effective series/system of torture, depending on the crime, to psych the criminals out of wanting to commit the crimes. Give them that whole, "Holy crap, that's what I've been doing to people?" feeling.

A "lifetime of pain, anguish, and respect for death" teaches a lot more than "dead" does.

I don't see how torturing criminals and doing to them what they've done to others doesn't qualify as an eye for an eye. The justice system wouldn't allow it either. I'm still in favor of my idea.

 

[Silverstein]

Because it's quite easy to fix something in jail that took many years to get there, so it can be released.

I mean, it's not like people get concerned when a child molester moves in to their neighborhood. They perfectly understand that it served the required time in jail and successfully completed the counseling

What? Are you responding to me or superferret? I was the one saying that jail and murder don't work. I was saying that counseling and honest effort make the difference.

 

[Silverstein]

He didn't burn down a crack house. He blew a guy's head off for not burning down a crack house.

Right. And that's where the crime lies....But I'm saying there is a human being in there if he can see that crack and druggies are bad and he's trying to do good?

He's doing bad to do good...That sparks me as someone reachable, not like people who kill their parents because they didn't get them the right car they wanted.

 

[Addendum]

What? Are you responding to me or superferret? I was the one saying that jail and murder don't work. I was saying that counseling and honest effort make the difference.

And I'm saying that people in neighborhoods don't welcome child molesters with open arms, even if they have served their time in jail and completed the mandatory counseling.

Plus, there's a good number of child molesters that go back to molesting children

 

[Silverstein]

All I heard was "white supremacist". After that I just blanked out and was figuring out what time you were planning to go and when I could watch the story.

And why is that? Is something wrong with you? No. But you want to see a human life taken...And are making ever so light of it, I'm sure your comment is based in some way due to your skin color.

All he heard was "black guy". After that he probably blanked out and was figuring out a way to live the life of a white supremist....

This isn't a tv show. This is real life. Holding grudges and having hate in our hearts only makes us like the man that we claim needs to be put to death.

 

[Silverstein]

Given his racist ways, he could very well end up a leader of a Aryan prison gang if he was given life.

Or reform and end up making doll houses or tables.....

MSNBC has a tv show about criminals in jail. It interviews them and the security and follows them around for a few days in jail. There was a man that killed people and had a similar past. But he found peace and left it all behind him, he spent the last 3 years building a doll house in the prison's carpentry room, for his neice. The doll house had working windows and doors, and was made like a model house.


You can turn your pain into beauty, if you're given the chance to make things better.

 

[Addendum]

awww, I feel so sorry for the murderer in jail...

Wait. No I don't. I feel bad for the families of his victims

 

[Silverstein]

And I'm saying that people in neighborhoods don't welcome child molesters with open arms, even if they have served their time in jail and completed the mandatory counseling.

Plus, there's a good number of child molesters that go back to molesting children

And I'm saying that holding stupid grudges because of someone's past is ....stupid. How many times have people lived next to or in the neighborhood of a child molestor and were happy, only to find out about him and THEN get upset?

Yes, a good number go back. But a good number also stop. And besides, we're not talking about a child molestor. We're talking about a killer. Taking a life (especially the life of a man who knows what he's involved with) is a different circumstance then molesting a child and requires you to look at it as such, not make some kind of strawman argument to deflect from what we're discussing.

 

[Silverstein]

awww, I feel so sorry for the murderer in jail...

Wait. No I don't. I feel bad for the families of his victims

Right. The family of a man who was a white supremest and worked with another white supremest but decided not to burn down a crack house, but was clearly able to do so, evident by the fact that he was even asked....

Hmmm....remorse is funny, you know?


A lot of you say you dislike killers and white supremacists. But you remorse this man who was killed. Why do you think "Tucker" was in the KKK? For jelly beans and pop tarts? He hated most of you posting. The reason he didn't burn down the crack house or maybe didn't want to, was possibly because he might have been dealing with some of the guys there. Maybe he was just lazy. If we're going to be cold and hard about this. Let's look into Tucker's past before we talk about Mize.

 

[Addendum]

And I'm saying that holding stupid grudges because of someone's past is ....stupid. How many times have people lived next to or in the neighborhood of a child molestor and were happy, only to find out about him and THEN get upset?

Yes, a good number go back. But a good number also stop. And besides, we're not talking about a child molestor. We're talking about a killer. Taking a life (especially the life of a man who knows what he's involved with) is a different circumstance then molesting a child and requires you to look at it as such, not make some kind of strawman argument to deflect from what we're discussing.

You were saying that counseling works, and I was simply pointing out that it doesn't all the time, nor do the people in a neighborhood care whether or not a child molester has completed the counseling. They find out a child molester moved in, they want it to move out.

So it's not a strawman. It's just something that irritates you

 

[Addendum]

Right. The family of a man who was a white supremist and worked with another white supremist but decided not to burn down a crack house, but was clearly able to do so, evident by the fact that he was even asked....

My mocking comment wasn't directed at the racist **** that is scheduled to die, which Byrd Man received an execution invite. I was mocking the guy you mentioned who is building dollhouses in prison.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

He killed, thus he should be killed. Life taken should be repaid by a life taken. That's the law of nature.

How civilized of you.

Savages like you ruin this country.

 

[Silverstein]

I've heard all these arguments before, and to them I say "Eh."

Years of violence and racism don't go away, and it's a typical (and correct) policy to put down dogs that can't be rehabilitated, the same should apply to humans.

You said it yourself, "Jail does not make anyone a better person, it only gives them time to think over what happened." "Time outs" don't work on children, and they don't work on adults.

Yes, he did something wrong, and yes, two wrongs don't make a right, but the second wrong prevents future wrongs. We've got to get this notion that we're the "good guys" out of our heads.

We also need to get away from "the easiest solution is the best one". People are individuals. There situation is individual and unique to them. Why bobby killed someone is vastly different then why Joey killed someone even if it's the same categorey of murder.

10 million people like Coca-Cola. And they might all say it's "because it tastes good", but I assure you that there is a deeper and personal reason for it. Even if it's just "my grandmother died when I was six, and she would always poor me a glass of coca-cola".

We all have reasons for what we do, and assuming that someone is beyond help because we don't have the time, patience or care to learn about them is pathetic.

 

[BlackLantern]

How civilized of you.

Savages like you ruin this country.

A bit harsh, don't you think....I support the death penalty but I do think the legal system should be a bit more judicious in how it is meted out

 

[BlackLantern]

We all have reasons for what we do, and assuming that someone is beyond help because we don't have the time, patience or care to learn about them is pathetic.

I don't believe that...some people can be helped and some people are simply broken on the inside

 

[Addendum]

I'm proud to be a savage then, since I save my sympathies for those who merit it. Those in jail fail to merit any from me