Superman Returns So I guess we can put this with hulk

[The Kid]

in the under-appreciated bin as far as hype goes. Critics got the idea of the film unlike the "I'd get banned if I said it" fanboys.

I'm real depressed now. I thought spidey 3 would be really great and it sucked. This movie was the same for me but now if you don't mind, I'll back paddle a bit and say "screw it" and MORE POWER TO SINGER if he wants to jump back on the horse again. :heart:

the downside to that is of course the whole superboy ordeal... It's not something I look forward to, but tis better than a repetitive franchise like spidey made to sell toys.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I thought Jason was your favourite part of SR Wesyeed?

 

[November Rain]

supes and hulk are very similar films done in similar lights because they aren't action orientated and more story orientated, mature stories for more of a mature comic book audience.

apart from blade, the majority of other superhero films are geared more heavily towards younger audiences and are generally more fun.

There aren't really any fun elements of supes or hulk but not all superhero storys ARE fun and i think it's a breath of fresh air to see that some stories in this genre can be taken and adapted to this world in a serious and somewhat more realistic manner.

 

[alabamaassassin]

serious story telling>fun for all ages

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

supes and hulk are very similar films done in similar lights because they aren't action orientated and more story orientated, mature stories for more of a mature comic book audience.

apart from blade, the majority of other superhero films are geared more heavily towards younger audiences and are generally more fun.

There aren't really any fun elements of supes or hulk but not all superhero storys ARE fun and i think it's a breath of fresh air to see that some stories in this genre can be taken and adapted to this world in a serious and somewhat more realistic manner.

TOTALLY agree with you here NR, both Supes and Hulk were movies that didnt follow the normal, now IMO boring formula, and i love them for that. Both are incredibly underrated also.

 

[Angeloz]

TOTALLY agree with you here NR, both Supes and Hulk were movies that didnt follow the normal, now IMO boring formula, and i love them for that. Both are incredibly underrated also.

I like what you're saying (that it was great that they didn't follow a formula) but I must admit I haven't seen "Hulk" yet. As I was put off by the action ads when it was in the cinemas. Whereas the teaser looked good. So I take it you recommend it?

Angeloz

 

[Lobo]

I'd recommend it.

 

[November Rain]

I like what you're saying (that it was great that they didn't follow a formula) but I must admit I haven't seen "Hulk" yet. As I was put off by the action ads when it was in the cinemas. Whereas the teaser looked good. So I take it you recommend it?

Angeloz

the hulk is pretty much the polar opposite of an action film.

it was advertised as such in the trailers and that's my reason as to why so many people were dissapointed when it wasn't.

when the dust settled, you find there are actually people that have a big appreciation for it and admire the stance that ang lee took with its direction and pace.

i'm sure you'd like it, it's probably one of the films of this genre that gets the most repeated viewings amongst fans

best thing is though even after 4 years, the 'apparently bad' cgi has yet to age and still holds in today's market as right up there.

it's better than the majority of scenes in spidey 3 to put things into perspective...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I like what you're saying (that it was great that they didn't follow a formula) but I must admit I haven't seen "Hulk" yet. As I was put off by the action ads when it was in the cinemas. Whereas the teaser looked good. So I take it you recommend it?

Angeloz

Definately its a great movie, and not an action movie until the last hour or so, even then it is emotional and heartfelt action. The Hulk itself doesnt appear until around the 45 min mark but dont let that put you off, its a great film.

 

[Angeloz]

Thank you Lobo, November Rain and AVEITWITHJAMON. I might see it one day 'cos you've all got me interested.

Angeloz

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thank you Lobo, November Rain and AVEITWITHJAMON. I might see it one day 'cos you've all got me interested.

Angeloz

No problem, you should definately check it out.

 

[Steelsheen]

well their not "fun" films overall, a bit more cerebral/ sentimental, which is the opposite of the more popular pop-corn entertainment.

the funny thing about it is that i like Lee's Hulk because it nailed the underlying elements of the character, which is what Singer missed by a wide side of a barn with SR.

 

[BareKnucklez]

in the under-appreciated bin as far as hype goes. Critics got the idea of the film unlike the "I'd get banned if I said it" fanboys.

I'm real depressed now. I thought spidey 3 would be really great and it sucked. This movie was the same for me but now if you don't mind, I'll back paddle a bit and say "screw it" and MORE POWER TO SINGER if he wants to jump back on the horse again. :heart:

the downside to that is of course the whole superboy ordeal... It's not something I look forward to, but tis better than a repetitive franchise like spidey made to sell toys.

You thought SR was good, and Spiderman 3 sucked? HAHAHAH

But hey Listen man everyone has the right to express their opinions regardless of how ignorant it is...

But the facts are the facts, and the facts are that a lot of critics ripped SR apart, and after a pretty decent opening the movie took how many months to get to 200million domestically?

Meaning the word of mouth from FANS like you, and I was bad, and that's what crippled the movie... ANOTHER FACT!

The movie sucked just live with it, and a sequel to a sucky movie just wont fly... (pun intended)

SR is in a category worse then Hulk because it had a much bigger budget, and thus it lost a whole lot more money... Hulk turned a profit.
A very small one but at least one bigger then SR has.

 

[Agentsands77]

You thought SR was good, and Spiderman 3 sucked? HAHAHAH

SUPERMAN RETURNS is a thousand times the film that SPIDER-MAN 3 is.

But the facts are the facts, and the facts are that a lot of critics ripped SR apart,

More actually praised the film, with a total of 77% percent "fresh" on ROTTEN TOMATOES overall, and with a 73% perfect "fresh" on ROTTEN TOMATOES' cream of the crop.

and after a pretty decent opening the movie took how many months to get to 200million domestically?

If financial success were the barometer of quality, that argument would hold water.

 

[dude stannis]

SUPERMAN RETURNS is a thousand times the film that SPIDER-MAN 3 is.


More actually praised the film, with a total of 77% percent "fresh" on ROTTEN TOMATOES overall, and with a 73% perfect "fresh" on ROTTEN TOMATOES' cream of the crop.


If financial success were the barometer of quality, that argument would hold water.

Well he said it himself. Everyone has their own opinion, no matter how ignorant it is.

Anyone who does use money as a barometer of quality has backed themselves into the corner of considering Titanic the best movie ever.

 

[mego joe]

Well he said it himself. Everyone has their own opinion, no matter how ignorant it is.

Anyone who does use money as a barometer of quality has backed themselves into the corner of considering Titanic the best movie ever.

QUality will always be a matter of taste. Different things appeal to different people.

the funny thing about it is that i like Lee's Hulk because it nailed the underlying elements of the character, which is what Singer missed by a wide side of a barn with SR.

I couldn't agree more. For me THe Hulk just lost it's way with the whole storyline of the dad and his role in Bruce's life. It's not that it wasn't interesting, it just didn't need to be there to be a Hulk movie and for me actually became more about his father than about Bruce. The end just got ridiculous and silly. The canines were unecessary as well.

 

[mego joe]

SUPERMAN RETURNS is a thousand times the film that SPIDER-MAN 3 is.

I couldn't disagree more.


SR was perhaps the worst comic book film ever and SM3 was great.

Everything, from action to storytelling was superior in SM3.

Especially, getting the essence of the main character.

This is all opinion of course, but I just don't see how SUperman being a father of an illegitimate child with Lois captures the essence of the character or has any relevance to the history of the character.

On the other hand, SM3 utilizes themes and actual storylines that are taken directly from the comic.

Oh yeah, and you actually understand how each character gets to where they are in the movie emotionally w/o having to rely on unreliable, indeciperable, 'subtle' vague history.

When people have personal conflict they actually address the issues instead of staring blankly off in space.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I couldn't disagree more.


SR was perhaps the worst comic book film ever and SM3 was great.

Everything, from action to storytelling was superior in SM3.

Especially, getting the essence of the main character.

This is all opinion of course, but I just don't see how SUperman being a father of an illegitimate child with Lois captures the essence of the character or has any relevance to the history of the character.

On the other hand, SM3 utilizes themes and actual storylines that are taken directly from the comic.

Oh yeah, and you actually understand how each character gets to where they are in the movie emotionally w/o having to rely on unreliable, indeciperable, 'subtle' vague history.

When people have personal conflict they actually address the issues instead of staring blankly off in space.

Have to disagree here, i enjoyed SM3, but it was no SR IMO.

 

[El Payaso]

You thought SR was good, and Spiderman 3 sucked? HAHAHAH

Yeah, haha, no stupid dancing scenes, no twist dancing in the kitchen for Superman, no 15 minutes amnesia or butlers that knew everything and talked just to make a lame story to move on.

But hey Listen man everyone has the right to express their opinions regardless of how ignorant it is...

Consecuently you're the living example of your own statements.

But the facts are the facts, and the facts are that a lot of critics ripped SR apart, and after a pretty decent opening the movie took how many months to get to 200million domestically?

The facts are money or critics make a movie better?

What were you saying of express opinions regardless...?

Meaning the word of mouth from FANS like you, and I was bad, and that's what crippled the movie... ANOTHER FACT!

Oh I see, it's FANS what makes a movie better. Fans made a lot of money for SW prequels and they were bad.

The movie sucked just live with it, and a sequel to a sucky movie just wont fly... (pun intended)

The sequel happening is all we need. In fact I wouldn't mind no sequel, because I rather have one great movie and not a sucky sequel part (ala Dancing-man 3)

SR is in a category worse then Hulk because it had a much bigger budget, and thus it lost a whole lot more money... Hulk turned a profit.
A very small one but at least one bigger then SR has.

Yeah, if it made 10 more dollar then it means it's 10 bucks better movie.

 

[El Payaso]

I couldn't disagree more.



SR was perhaps the worst comic book film ever and SM3 was great.

I try to picture what mess and poor attempt of humour seduced you the most in Spiderman 3.

Everything, from action to storytelling was superior in SM3.

I'll admit that the dancing on the streets and club scenes, the twist in the kitchen, the 15 minutes amnesia, the butlers that suddenly knew everything, the crying, the sudden and pointless last minute villiain forgiveness, the giant CGI American flags and the cheesey re-cycled CGI shots were more present in Spiderman 3.

Especially, getting the essence of the main character.

Oh so much it hurts.

This is all opinion of course, but I just don't see how SUperman being a father of an illegitimate child with Lois captures the essence of the character or has any relevance to the history of the character.

Not only the fatherhood was an important issue since STM. Not only it's an important issue to every good man. Not only is the ultimate bond between Superman and Lois, beyond Lois' teenage crush on Supes and beyond the impossibility to be together in the franchise. It also allows Superman to share his knowledge and his spirit with someone else that shares his own blood and makes his life to have a bigger sense beyond saving people he will never know personally and therefore, he stop being alone.

On the other hand, SM3 utilizes themes and actual storylines that are taken directly from the comic.

Big. Deal.

"It was done in the comics" is the best shot? Is that some warrantee that the material is actually any good? Because it sounds more like some fanboys-pleasing device.

Oh yeah, and you actually understand how each character gets to where they are in the movie emotionally w/o having to rely on unreliable, indeciperable, 'subtle' vague history.

Really? How and why Peter forgives a villiain that had kill people and almost kill himself in 3 minutes? How a butler who knew everything about Norman and Harry shut his mouth up for no reason for 2 years as Harry becomes an alcoholic and more and more of an obssessed man and suddenly, for no reason again, decided to speak?

When people have personal conflict they actually address the issues instead of staring blankly off in space.

Really? People never search for an answer inside of themselves, they always immediatelly address the issue? Which, btw, doesn't even happen in Spiderman 3.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Brilliant El Payaso!

 

[Angeloz]

Bugger you mean dancing in the streets and at a Jazz Cafe isn't a sign of evil normally?

By the way I liked the film ("Spider-Man 3") but still love "Superman Returns" much more.

Angeloz

 

[dark_b]

lets not bash spidey here.
you will find a lot of spidey fans in the spidey forum that think that the dancing was pathetic. like me.
singer you are the man after spidey 3.

 

[Angeloz]

I liked the dancing as it was highly amusing though very embarrasing too. I assume in the comics he did more evil with the suit. 'Cos did he? I've not read much Spider-man comics. I hope I'm forgiven the question.

Angeloz

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What does SM3 being a mediocre mess have to do with SR being almost the exact same thing...except boring? I truely don't understand the thinking. My opinion of SR won't change because I didn't like atleast half of SM3. I still don't like Hulk and SR and I newly dislike SM3. SM3 didn't make Hulk or SR look any better because if anything with all of it's flaws I would still watch it over those sloggy, slow, cold messes of the afore mentioned films.