So, was there racist subtext or not?

[herakles]

You can pretend Jim Crow, Nazism, Apartied, 400 years of slavery never happened but the historical facts speak for themselves. Like I said, if Asians did these things they would have the bad reputation instead of whites and be the ones claiming it's the anti-Asian media that makes Asians look bad.

PLEASE, PLEASE show me and everyone her that I have denied, pretended that any racist actions and policies made on the part of Europeans wasn't as bad or didn't happen in ANY post I've made!!! You can't becuase I NEVER said ANY of your accusations! All I said is that Asians are just as capible of Racism as anyone else I have been a victim of that racism! I have also witness acts racism on the part of Hispanics, and Arabs! I've also seen sexism on the part of Males and Females! For you just to focus on Europeans perpertraitors is closedminded!

 

[ILikeYourCoat]

Exactly! For someone to say that Whites are more racist than other groups is, well, racist against Whites!

 

[blind_fury]

Of course slavery happened. Slavery was going on in Africa looooooooong before any Whites stepped foot there. Also, 1 million Whites were slaves to the Barbary Pirates, dark-skinned people. And those White slaves lasted only a few months before they died due to the harsh treatment they received, unlike black slaves in America who lived long lives.

source?

And I like the way you act as if slaves were treated like kings in the south. I garuantee a week of picking cotton in the hot sun without a break and eating smelly scraps every night and you'd be begging for an early death.

Of course the holocaust happened. Attila the Hun just walked into European villages with his group and killed everyone. That holocaust happened. Japan walked into China during WWII and killed 20 million Chinese. That holocaust happened. Communist countries like China and Russia killed off 100 million of their own people in pursuit of their political agendas. That holocaust happened.

We're talking about why whites have a reputation for racism not general mass killing. And the Japanese killed 20 million Chinese? Source?

The only slavery and holocaust you see on the media and in schools being talked about over and over are the ones committed by White people, but the ones that were committed by non-Whites, you hardly hear about. Why the unfair, one-sided treatment of slavery and holocaust?

Please. I had a US History book with 300 pages in high school. Less than 12 pages discussed 400 years worth of slavery and less than that was designated to the holocaust.

Anyways we learn about WW2, Jim Crow, and slavery because it's US History. School teachers emphasize these things because they don't want history to repeat itself. So cut the conspiracy crap. It's a valid reason to bring up the sins of the past. I guess you prefer teachers lie to the students about past atrocities like they do in Japan.

 

[blind_fury]

Exactly! For someone to say that Whites are more racist than other groups is, well, racist against Whites!

I'm not saying whites are genetically more racist. I'm explaining why they have the worst reputation when it comes to racism.

 

[green]

Great interview with Snyder over at CBR
This is just a quote on the issue of racism in the movie.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9982

Now, I've also seen a handful of messages left on public message boards where people are saying that "300" promotes racist ideals, that it promotes white supremacy with the Spartans over the darker skinned Persians. So, how do you respond to those kind of accusations, especially now that the film is out, whether it's from the government of Iran or someone posting on a message board?

You know, when I see that, when I see someone use words like "neocon," "homophobic," "homoerotic" or "racist" in their review, I kind of just think they don't get the movie and don't understand. It's a graphic novel movie about a bunch of guys that are stomping the snot out of each other. As soon as you start to frame it like that, it becomes clear that you've missed the point entirely.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Amen.

 

[jaguarr]

Great interview with Snyder over at CBR
This is just a quote on the issue of racism in the movie.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9982

jag

 

[Sandman138]

The only shot that really struck me as outright racist was when the black guy bribing the Ephors becomes a talking shadow with eyes. That just seemed to scream "look everyone... sand-n******! Get it?". I think the whole theater broke out laughing just because it was so absurd. I'm not really sure it was intentional, but it kind of stuck out like a sore thumb.

 

[Warhammer]

Let all of this racism bullshyit stop!
Clearly you missed the point of a graphic novel adaptation.
Get over it.

You people who are continuously b!tching about it need to stop.

Spoiler

I'll say this every single day until this thread has no traffic

 

[Mr. Socko]

LOL! That was taken right from Frank's book. But it's got nothing to do with race, it's jus Frank's style.

It's the same in Sin City, people go entirely black in shade and only their eyes or necklace is glowing.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Here's one of many examples in Sin City:

I bet that'd be racist too if Kevin was black, right...

 

[Sandman138]

LOL! That was taken right from Frank's book. But it's got nothing to do with race, it's jus Frank's style.

It's the same in Sin City, people go entirely black in shade and only their eyes or necklace is glowing.

Except it wasn't. And neither were all the monsters. Or the stuff in Sparta once Leonidas leaves. All that stuff was added, I'd guess, because it looks cool. Have you guys read the book?

 

[Infinity9999x]

source?

And I like the way you act as if slaves were treated like kings in the south. I garuantee a week of picking cotton in the hot sun without a break and eating smelly scraps every night and you'd be begging for an early death.

I do know that there was much slavery in Africa many years before Whites came over. It was a History Channel special I saw a year ago. It talked about the history of slavery in Africa and how it's actualy still going on today.


As for the overall movie, I didn't think it was racist. Everything was so fantisiced and stylized no one was like an actual "race" to me. The characters were closer to something from a Fantasy novel then real life.

 

[Nivek]

Except it wasn't. And neither were all the monsters. Or the stuff in Sparta once Leonidas leaves. All that stuff was added, I'd guess, because it looks cool. Have you guys read the book?

yes, and i like Zacks little touches like the immortals being souless warriors who carve their faces to look more fierce, filing their teeth into fangs. Very tribal, the Uber-immortal was damn cool as well. Hell, any army has their Giant Smash Guy, this time he's more Conan than Troy. I liked the monsters and freaky stuff. I'm sure others will agree.

 

[lars573]

source?

And I like the way you act as if slaves were treated like kings in the south. I garuantee a week of picking cotton in the hot sun without a break and eating smelly scraps every night and you'd be begging for an early death.

I would suspect he's quoting a portion of the wiki slavery entery.

The Arab or Middle Eastern slave trade or trans-Saharan slavery was mostly centered around settlements and ports in East Africa, though it is estimated that the Arab Barbary Pirates of North Africa took over 1 million white slaves from Europe between 1530 and 1780. [10] . It is one of the oldest known slave trades, predating the European transatlantic slave trade by hundreds of years. Male slaves, after being transported and sold, were employed as servants, soldiers, or labourers by their owners. Female slaves, mostly from Africa, were long traded to Middle Eastern countries and kingdoms by Arab, Indian, or Oriental traders, some as female servants, others as sexual slaves. Arab, Indian, and Asian traders were often involved in the capture or purchase and transport of African slaves northward across the Sahara desert and the Indian Ocean region into Arabia and the Middle East, Persia, and the Indian subcontinent.

Also Tartars who lived around the Crimean penninsula in the 16th century would kidnapp Russian boys and sell them. Blue eyed, blonde haired Russian boys were prized as personal slaves in Ming China and could command top dollar.

We're talking about why whites have a reputation for racism not general mass killing. And the Japanese killed 20 million Chinese? Source?

His numbers are innacurate. 10 million (3 million military 7 million civilian) Chinese died during the war with Japan. Which lasted from 1931 to 1945. That was China proper. The Japanese also killed 30 million Filiponos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians, and Burmese. And it's estimated that 23 million were ethnic Chinese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

Please. I had a US History book with 300 pages in high school. Less than 12 pages discussed 400 years worth of slavery and less than that was designated to the holocaust.

Anyways we learn about WW2, Jim Crow, and slavery because it's US History. School teachers emphasize these things because they don't want history to repeat itself. So cut the conspiracy crap. It's a valid reason to bring up the sins of the past. I guess you prefer teachers lie to the students about past atrocities like they do in Japan.

The Japanese have never lied about what the Imperial army did in WW2. However to appease Japa-Nazi's it's left out of the official cirriculum (and maybe that a lie of ommission). But history teachers bring in vets on their own to give a more balanced view.

 

[blind_fury]

Again

The argument isn't IF other races commited atrocities but why whites have the worst reputation for being racist.

I would suspect he's quoting a portion of the wiki slavery entery.

Ok so somehow without census data we know Arab pirates had 1 million white slaves? whatever. Slavery in the US is better known for a few reasons:

1) The Arab pirates enslaved anybody. It wasn't exclusive to whites.

2) America enslaved at least 5 million blacks for over a 400 year period.

3) It's American History and America has been the most powerful and influential country for the last 60 years. Why would world historians and American school children focus on Arab prirate history over American history?

Also Tartars who lived around the Crimean penninsula in the 16th century would kidnapp Russian boys and sell them. Blue eyed, blonde haired Russian boys were prized as personal slaves in Ming China and could command top dollar.

The Ming Chinese were pervs. So what? That's not enough to give Asians a worse reputation than whites when it comes to racism.

His numbers are innacurate. 10 million (3 million military 7 million civilian) Chinese died during the war with Japan. Which lasted from 1931 to 1945. That was China proper. The Japanese also killed 30 million Filiponos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians, and Burmese. And it's estimated that 23 million were ethnic Chinese.

This is not proof of racism. 4 million civilians were killed during the Vietnam War. Is that because American soldiers were racist?

The Japanese have never lied about what the Imperial army did in WW2. However to appease Japa-Nazi's it's left out of the official cirriculum (and maybe that a lie of ommission). But history teachers bring in vets on their own to give a more balanced view.

I doubt 90 year old Japanese vets explain to school kids how they massacred innocent civilians and tormented POW's. China has been working for decades to get the Japanese acknowledge the atrocities they commited during the war to no avail. If they can't do that I doubt they teach school children about the horrible things they did during the war. And when you "omit" the truth from schoolkids you're lying to them. End of story.

If Asains had race based slavery for 400 years, attempted a final solution based on race, had "yellow supremacy" groups that terrorized other races for the past 200 years, made another race second class citizens in their own country(apartied) and had thousands of websites designated to "yellow supremacy" THEY would have the worst reputation for racism instead of whites.

 

[ILikeYourCoat]

source?

Read a history book.

 

[ILikeYourCoat]

If Asains had attempted a final solution based on race

Germans did that, but you want to blame the entire White race for what only 1 small group did? That makes you a racist.

had "yellow supremacy" groups that terrorized other races for the past 200 years

Attila the Hun and his hordes just walked into European villages and killed everyone. I'd call that terror. But you conveniently ignore any history that happened outside of America.

made another race second class citizens in their own country(apartied)

Ask anyone who is not Japanese how they are treated while living in Japan.
How many Whites/Blacks/Hispanics are in postions of power in China?

and had thousands of websites designated to "yellow supremacy"
THEY would have the worst reputation for racism instead of whites.

One of my Asian coworkers told me he "gets rid" of anyone who is not Asian when he is a manager in a company. He also told someone who is not Asian to use him as a reference when he left the job, then when the new companies called up to get the reference, he told them the guy was stupid.
Another of my coworkers moved to a new desk that was previously occupied by an Asian person. He found a stack of resumes in the guy's desk, with all Asian names. This guy only hired Asians.
Asians are much more racist than Whites are. There's all this liberal white guilt being pushed on Whites in the media and educational institutions, so that every other race feels perfectly comfortable being much more racist than Whites are.

Stop repeating the sheeple line that you are fed by the liberal media that Whites are more racist than others, and start facing reality.

 

[Manhunter]

Great interview with Snyder over at CBR
This is just a quote on the issue of racism in the movie.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9982

QFT.

Reason > Religion, if that's a racist context because it favours one culture over another, so be it.

 

[Nivek]

Dude, you lost me at Liberal White Guilt. Hell, when someone refers to the "Liberal Media" I just want to smack them in the head.

 

[blind_fury]

Of course Snyder won't admit the racial and political undertones.

Directors never do.

 

[ILikeYourCoat]

Dude, you lost me at Liberal White Guilt. Hell, when someone refers to the "Liberal Media" I just want to smack them in the head.

I think you got lost at the alphabet. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

 

[ILikeYourCoat]

Of course Snyder won't admit the racial and political undertones.

Directors never do.

He must be one of those evil White racists who is lurking around everywhere.

 

[lars573]

Again

The argument isn't IF other races commited atrocities but why whites have the worst reputation for being racist.

That's easy. The history you read and were taught was written by white men.

Ok so somehow without census data we know Arab pirates had 1 million white slaves? whatever. Slavery in the US is better known for a few reasons:

1) The Arab pirates enslaved anybody. It wasn't exclusive to whites.

2) America enslaved at least 5 million blacks for over a 400 year period.

3) It's American History and America has been the most powerful and influential country for the last 60 years. Why would world historians and American school children focus on Arab prirate history over American history?

That's why it's an estimate. Also 5 million is what the slave population was in the US civil war. And "America" didn't enslave s--t until after 1790. And slavery in New England is not 400 years old, that's a myth. Most of the New England colonies weren't even settled until the 1730's. The main enslavers of black africans before the French and Indian war were the Spainish and Portuguese in the carribean and south america.

The Ming Chinese were pervs. So what? That's not enough to give Asians a worse reputation than whites when it comes to racism.

Asian peoples racism is highly undocumented.

This is not proof of racism. 4 million civilians were killed during the Vietnam War. Is that because American soldiers were racist?

Actually if you'd ever read up on Japan in WW2 you'd know it is. The Japanese of the time were extremely racist. They had a particular grudge against Koreans and Chinese. Turned them into second class citizens in their own homelands where ever they went. In fact in Korea the Japanese made Koreans factory slaves. The reason mostly Chinese died in south-east asia is because the Japanese hated them and the areas they conquered hate them too. And didn't cry when the Japanese tried to extereminate them.

I doubt 90 year old Japanese vets explain to school kids how they massacred innocent civilians and tormented POW's. China has been working for decades to get the Japanese acknowledge the atrocities they commited during the war to no avail. If they can't do that I doubt they teach school children about the horrible things they did during the war. And when you "omit" the truth from schoolkids you're lying to them. End of story.

Actually they do. It's well documneted.

If Asains had race based slavery for 400 years, attempted a final solution based on race, had "yellow supremacy" groups that terrorized other races for the past 200 years, made another race second class citizens in their own country(apartied) and had thousands of websites designated to "yellow supremacy" THEY would have the worst reputation for racism instead of whites.

The Manchu empire existed for 350 years. And it had what you might call an apartied system. Desgined to keep the Manchu's on top, and the Han on the bottom. They forced the Han to adopt Manchu dress and facial hair.

 

[Manhunter]

Again

The argument isn't IF other races commited atrocities but why whites have the worst reputation for being racist.



...

That's easy, we have the worst reputation because we are the most tolerant of social criticism.