So...why the hate for INFINITE CRISIS??

[hippie_hunter]

I hate events in general since they are usually mindless bloodbaths. I dare them to write a big story without killing characters...there's no chance they can do it. I can't think of a single one I've ever liked and one of them (Zero Hour) led to me quitting American comics for years.

But you have to kill someone in events! In my re-imagining of Final Crisis, I have Vixen brutally killed by Darkseid's Female Furies

In all seriousness though, no one died in House of M. As a matter in fact, Hawkeye came back due to House of M.

 

[Kurosawa]

But you have to kill someone in events! In my re-imagining of Final Crisis, I have Vixen brutally killed by Darkseid's Female Furies

In all seriousness though, no one died in House of M. As a matter in fact, Hawkeye came back due to House of M.

Well that's one.

 

[Mystirious]

But you have to kill someone in events! In my re-imagining of Final Crisis, I have Vixen brutally killed by Darkseid's Female Furies

You racist

 

[Darthphere]

I hate events in general since they are usually mindless bloodbaths. I dare them to write a big story without killing characters...there's no chance they can do it. I can't think of a single one I've ever liked and one of them (Zero Hour) led to me quitting American comics for years.

You hate anything past 1985.

 

[Kurosawa]

You hate anything past 1985.

I don't hate everything past 1985 but I hate a lot of it and I generally feel killing characters is lame and the work of hacks. When part of how you construct a major crossover is by consulting a list of characters to knock off...that's hardly creative. Unless it's part of a bigger story like the Deaths of Cap or Superman, or as it's looking like with Batman, then killing characters then bringing them back just shows that they kill characters when they don't know what to do with them. Personally I think killing characters should be very rare and final.

I think the whole crossover/tbp business model is kinda old anyway and just another reflection of the overall stagnation across the business as a whole. Alan Moore is right when he says superhero comics are in a huge rut as writers just try to do their own Watchmen and DKR.

 

[Drz]

Yeah but Batman was "believed" to be dead for 1 month only. Final Crisis #6 already showed his survival, wheres people believed he died 1 month priour, which was Final Crisis #5.

Batman was put down, because Morrison wanted to write Dick as Batman, which can be pretty silly, because it really just feldown to Morrison wanting to write Dick-Batman for 12 issues, which now extended to atleast 16 issues.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You racist

Have you ever seen my many "I hate Vixen" posts

 

[Mystirious]

Have you ever seen my many "I hate Vixen" posts

You monster

Spoiler

 

[Shawkur]

Before Infinite Crisis DC seemed to be slowly gaining steam and differentiating itself from Marvel as the story-driven universe instead of event-driven universe with writers being given freedom to do long quality runs on books like Gotham Central, John's Flash, Rucka on Wonder Woman, ect. Infinite Crisis ushered in a new age of event after event with a new company-wide, editorially mandated status quo and creative teams shuffled every six months.

 

[BrianWilly]

I agree with that.

 

[Hush]

Welcome Shawkur, stay around, your logical.

Oh and I like Identity Crisis which is kinda prequel to Infinite Crisis and i like that too.

 

[Assassin]

I hate events in general since they are usually mindless bloodbaths. I dare them to write a big story without killing characters...there's no chance they can do it. I can't think of a single one I've ever liked and one of them (Zero Hour) led to me quitting American comics for years.

 

[Kurosawa]

I hated them killing the JSA members and the villain was another SBP slap in the face to purist fans like me. What, am I supposed to like something that kills characters I like and sneers at my beliefs? **** that. That scene where the JSA'ers were aged and killed was a total **** you to fans like me and I'll always hate it.

 

[Hush]

Kurosawa your opinions are awesome! I love reading your stuff. Im being totally honest. I really respect your thoughts!

 

[Assassin]

I read his posts and I make a bet with myself on how many sentences in he uses the word "purist" in the post. I usually win

 

[Kurosawa]

Whatever. Somebody has to respect what came before and give those characters and their creators their due. Just because guys like Siegel, Fox, Broome, etc are just dead old guys to you doesn't mean they didn't matter. I like what I ****ing like. If were up to the Mike Carlins of the world and their acolytes we wouldn't even have Jay, Alan, Ted, Rex and Carter left.

I think for myself and don't blindly follow what DC does. Sorry if that upsets people, and I certainly don't expect anyone to agree. But I have my right to say my piece. What, should I lie because someone on a message board ridicules my opinion?

 

[Cain]

Didn't have a problem though I'm one of the few who enjoyed the trippy, surrealistic narrative of Final Crisis with it's jumbled execution and all more than IC. However IC is the more universal story I'd say it'd be an easy point to jump on for anybody who never really read DC like that. As a fan I was just really mad about Connor though for a long time.

What I still don't get the is the hate for OYL I mean ok the BS they pulled when they made Bart The Flash and what they did to Batgirl (SMH) that was just pitiful. By the same token we also got some of the freshest Batman, Superman and even Aquaman (it was ambitious even though it's quality varied) stories in a while. Checkmate and 52 also kicked major butt during the post I. times.

That crisis had a better aftermath across the DCU than FC did that's for sure.

 

[BrianWilly]

Ugh, I already regret this, but...

More

Yeah, herf derf, all those old dead writers, they sure don't matter, I sure do enjoy all these new extreme bookses 'cause all those old dull books are dull, oh boy I love thinking old stuff doesn't matter, hyuk hyuk...

For ****'s sake, no one has said that.

And oh, way to be objective. "People who don't think like me are just blindly following DC and just don't think for themselves." I hate DC right now, capital H, and let me assure you that -- having now been on both sides of the fence -- not being able to stand your posts has very little to do with enjoying DC or not.

 

[Anubis]

I'm in the same boat as Kurosawa except I don't give a s**t about the silver or Bronze age and only care about the heretofore unnamed age of DC comics from like 95-2004. I think I will call it the Awesome Age.

But I don't think I'm gonna sit around and b***h about it. I'll pop in with a clever retort but, eh, I think my indifference is a far better revenge.

 

[Mystirious]

And oh, way to be objective. "People who don't think like me are just blindly following DC and just don't think for themselves." I hate DC right now, capital H, and let me assure you that -- having now been on both sides of the fence -- not being able to stand your posts has very little to do with enjoying DC or not.

DC is not all bad at the moment.

Some of what they are producing is rubbish but they do have a few good characters and series

 

[Anubis]

That's a looooong way from nearly line wide awesome.

 

[Darthphere]

Can I ask something? Who was hating on Infinite Crisis in the last 6 months that warranted this thread?

Can I make a thread called "So...why the hate for No Man's Land?"?

 

[fifthfiend]

Kurosawa, speaking as someone who probably agrees with like 90% of what you're saying here, please, please, please stop using the word purist. Just, stop, and don't start ever again.

 

[Oddzball]

i loved it. SBP is still one of my fav characters. screw you guys.

With the sole exception of being able to hit a multiverse so hard time gets shifterd about, EVERY SINGLE FEAT SBP performed was based on Silver Age Superman's feats.

It was quite fun seeing him at the power level I read about when I started reading comic.

 

[Hush]

Whatever. Somebody has to respect what came before and give those characters and their creators their due. Just because guys like Siegel, Fox, Broome, etc are just dead old guys to you doesn't mean they didn't matter. I like what I ****ing like. If were up to the Mike Carlins of the world and their acolytes we wouldn't even have Jay, Alan, Ted, Rex and Carter left.

I think for myself and don't blindly follow what DC does. Sorry if that upsets people, and I certainly don't expect anyone to agree. But I have my right to say my piece. What, should I lie because someone on a message board ridicules my opinion?

I was being honest when i said what i said.