Sequels Sony Revives 'Venom' Solo Movie

[MrGrandCanyon]

Don't see how else they could've worded it. It was literally just a generic Tweet announcing Hardy would play Eddie Brock. That it itself is no indication they're trying to distance Venom from Spider-Man.

I just thought it could have said "Sony's Spider-Man Universe", or "the Spider-Man spin-off", something like that. But there was no mention of Spider-Man, and I could sort of see it as a sign of things to come. But okay, that's just speculating.

I don't think Sony would sign a deal like that, hindering their control over the character. But agree to disagree.

I don't believe they're going completely omit Spider-Man from Venom, Arad & Tolmach wouldn't allow it

If there was any creative motivation from Marvel/Disney to make the deal, then I think a part of it was to get Spider-Man out of Arad & Tolmach's clutches. Pascal and Feige seem to be in control right now, so maybe the other guys don't really have a say in that.

 

[ironwez20]

Cause the movie is about Venom. If Spidey is in it, he'll either be a supporting character or a nameless cameo for Eddie's flashbacks. Spider-Man can be in a movie focused on Venom as side player. The two are not mutually exclusive

That sounds incredibly boring. Reason why people want to see venom is the dynamic between him and peter. I'm sorry but Venom on his own being a vigilante was never to interesting. Like having the joker in a movie with him fighting scarcrow and no batman is in sight. Same thing happened with catwoman. Sure you can do a movie about those characters but the main characters is what make these characters interesting. It's the way they interact and have chemistry and there battles.

Thats why spiderman 3 had so much hype. We finally got to see venom on the big screen fight and interact with spiderman. The reason why people hated it was cause it was only for like ten minutes. What do you think people will say when a whole movie is deicated to this character and spiderman is not in it or just in it for a cameo or mentioned.

 

[harryoscop]

That depends on whether they can build a compelling story around Brock

 

[ironwez20]

That depends on whether they can build a compelling story around Brock

See I don't know how. Eddie Brock is a very good character and spiderman ruined his life. Spiderman is what drove him to be insane and become venom. His wrath on spidey and mental torture would be so great on screen but instead I think they are going with some sort of Venom vs carnage scenario where venom tries to protect people. Thats really meh imo. The reason why venom would also even fight carnage was cause spiderman asked him to and somtimes venom would betray spidey to work with carnage cause of his hatred.

Now a horror type movie about how venom stalks peter and tries to kill him and destroy the people he loves would be amazing. If that was the route they took i'd love that but I don't see that happening. A venom horror movie would be dope if peter was the main character and not venom.

 

[TheVileOne]

Venom isn't that dark of a character. Where is this coming from? Does anyone here even remember the earlier Venom stories when he was actually a villain and not some watered down superhero?

 

[2kt09]

Venom isn't that dark of a character. Where is this coming from? Does anyone here even remember the earlier Venom stories when he was actually a villain and not some watered down superhero?

Probably some John Carpenter interpretation after seeing/reading he devours his people.
I remember the Ultimate game has him needing to feed to survive.

 

[ironwez20]

Venom isn't that dark of a character. Where is this coming from? Does anyone here even remember the earlier Venom stories when he was actually a villain and not some watered down superhero?

Thats what i'm saying. he works better as a villian and not some vigilante. Without spiderman in the story that's what he tried to be and it wasn't to good. He's better as a crazy psychotic villain who wants to devour spiderman's brain.

 

[Venom'sDad]

If Spider-Man doesn't appear in this film, who would the villain be and what would the story be?

I imagine the villain will be those that want to kill Eddie for the Symbiote & it's capabilities. Some mob boss, government agent, or a corporate scientist/engineer. Tom Hardy's Brock may not be a good guy; but, there may be a reason to help someone or some corporate/government entity, that have a common interest in the film's antagonist...hence the anti-hero.

 

[Flint Marko]

Please tell me you understand how that doesn't answer my question?

 

[PeterBenParker]

They can easily do Venom without Spider-Man, guys.

If they decide they'd rather just not include Spider-Man, they could easily have Eddie already be Venom when the film begins and give us an antagonist in Carnage or whoever else they deem necessary.

That said, a Venom film without Spidey can very well garner less interest leading to less money being made so it's more likely he'll exist within their new universe, complete with a new actor specifically for that Universe. They still own the rights at the end of the day.

 

[I'm Venom]

Not really, considering that Feige has repeatedly talked about how they're not opting for a darker direction in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Venom, well, IS a pretty dark character.

Frankly, I don't know how they're going to handle his origins without Spider-Man, but I'm more excited about Tom Hardy starring in a Ruben Fleischer-directed Venom movie which can delve deep into the characters' heart and horror.

I'm pretty excited by the idea of Hardy playing Brock in a movie which won't tone the character down. Sony has managed to bring a spectacular actor on board to play the character, so they must be doing something right. But hey, what do I know... Warner Bros., Fox, Sony and pretty much every studio which isn't under Kevin Feige's supervision sucks, right?

In in the best-case scenario, maybe Venom will fight Spidey in later films - who knows...

I'm sure Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures agreed on which characters the latter could explore on their own VS the ones which Marvel would like to use in the MCU. And if Feige & Co. aren't interested in Venom, why should Sony just let him rot if they can make a movie? Especially one which is starting to seem pretty promising and interesting. And don't get me wrong, I don't hate Marvel Studios. I actually don't hate any studio. But they're not exactly movie paradise like people around here claim. Their movies seem as hit and miss to me as anyone elses' (for example "Doctor Strange" was pretty forgettable and bland IMO, while I thought "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" was great).

The trickiest part of doing him solo is his origins. Other than that the character has had his own series in comics, so it's not like they've decided to make a Mysterio movie without Spider-Man.

I like Venom as a Spider-Man villain, but I have no interest in seeing him in his own movie. I'd love to see Holland confronting Hardy in a future film instead of a non-MCU Venom spin-off.

 

[-JKR-]

I like Venom as a Spider-Man villain, but I have no interest in seeing him in his own movie. I'd love to see Holland confronting Hardy in a future film instead of a non-MCU Venom spin-off.

I get that, and that's the reason many are upset about this, I guess.

But the concept and character of Venom has lots of cinematic potential, and you can take the best of the Venom solo series and turn it into a great, fun, frenetic and exciting 'comic book' action-thriller.

Especially with Tom Hardy on board as star and Ruben Fleischer directing.

P.S.: Considering that Sony and Marvel are collaborating, it's VERY likely that Kevin Feige has simply cleared Venom... is not interested in him, and has told Sony to do as they wish with him, since they wouldn't use him. If he really had any intentions of having him in the MCU, I'm sure he would have negotiated for that.

You cannot seriously believe that Feige & Co. are surprised or blindsided by Sony's decision to make a Venom spin-off, considering that there's an ongoing contractual obligation between the two. Sometimes I read posts on here and think that you guys seriously believe that the relationship between Marvel and others studios they're linked to is like some battle from The Lord of the Rings saga. It's not. It's pretty much about deals, paperwork, and other boring stuff. Again, if Feige was really interested in Venom, they would have negotiated for that when they struck their partnership for the new Spider-Man movies and his inclusion in the MCU. That's what negotiations and deals are for.

 

[ironwez20]

I'm pretty sure feige knows the popularity of venom and wanted or wants to use him. I mean come on the black suit and venom are some of the most popular stories. Like I keep saying maybe it's like a quicksilver fiasco where they can have two versions of venom. I don't see how feige would be ok with Sony just making another spidey verse when they already are making one. Makes no sense. I guess he knows deep down nobody is interested in a venom solo without spidey. Just feels like a move for them to just try to and be in control instead of letting marvel help them out.

 

[ImOctavius]

I must say, I'm really really happy with Tom Hardy. I don't think there's other actor as perfect for the role as him.

 

[-JKR-]

I'm pretty sure feige knows the popularity of venom and wanted or wants to use him. I mean come on the black suit and venom are some of the most popular stories. Like I keep saying maybe it's like a quicksilver fiasco where they can have two versions of venom. I don't see how feige would be ok with Sony just making another spidey verse when they already are making one. Makes no sense. I guess he knows deep down nobody is interested in a venom solo without spidey. Just feels like a move for them to just try to and be in control instead of letting marvel help them out.

For a pact like the Sony/Marvel one you gotta sort lots of legal stuff and rights issues out, including which characters to clear for whom, etc. And rest assured that a major player such as Venom has come up during negotiations for a team-up between the studios, which means that if Venom isn't in the MCU, Marvel Studios simply didn't care enough to have him be part of the deal. It's as simple as that. They signed a freakin' deal, and they definitely know what they've signed it for... and for what they didn't.

But if people wanna go back to their fairytale about the shady shady studios secretly scheming a Venom spin-off they're free to do that. It's just not possible, considering the business side of it all... the negotiation between the two parties and the deals which have been signed, which of course deal with stuff like this.

P.S.: The Quicksilver 'fiasco' (which wasn't really one, considering that things went well) is probably traceable to old deals btw Fox and Marvel when the latter hadn't even set up their own movie studio yet. The Sony/Marvel pact is a recent one, and a deal which Feige personally ironed out with the Sony execs. Which means that if Venom's not in the MCU, he's fully aware and okay with that, considering that he's signed a deal.

 

[I'm Venom]

I get that, and that's the reason many are upset about this, I guess.

But the concept and character of Venom has lots of cinematic potential, and you can take the best of the Venom solo series and turn it into a great, fun, frenetic and exciting 'comic book' action-thriller.

Especially with Tom Hardy on board as star and Ruben Fleischer directing.

P.S.: Considering that Sony and Marvel are collaborating, it's VERY likely that Kevin Feige has simply cleared Venom... is not interested in him, and has told Sony to do as they wish with him, since they wouldn't use him. If he really had any intentions of having him in the MCU, I'm sure he would have negotiated for that.

You cannot seriously believe that Feige & Co. are surprised or blindsided by Sony's decision to make a Venom spin-off, considering that there's an ongoing contractual obligation between the two. Sometimes I read posts on here and think that you guys seriously believe that the relationship between Marvel and others studios they're linked to is like some battle from The Lord of the Rings saga. It's not. It's pretty much about deals, paperwork, and other boring stuff. Again, if Feige was really interested in Venom, they would have negotiated for that when they struck their partnership for the new Spider-Man movies and his inclusion in the MCU. That's what negotiations and deals are for.

Infinity War seems like such a perfect excuse for Spider-Man go to space and got the symbiote costume. Imagine how much money can get just from black costume Spider-Man alone.

 

[ironwez20]

For a pact like the Sony/Marvel one you gotta sort lots of legal stuff and rights issues out, including which characters to clear for whom, etc. And rest assured that a major player such as Venom has come up during negotiations for a team-up between the studios, which means that if Venom isn't in the MCU, Marvel Studios simply didn't care enough to have him be part of the deal. It's as simple as that. They signed a freakin' deal, and they definitely know what they've signed it for... and for what they didn't.

But if people wanna go back to their fairytale about the shady shady studios secretly scheming a Venom spin-off they're free to do that. It's just not possible, considering the business side of it all... the negotiation between the two parties and the deals which have been signed, which of course deal with stuff like this.

P.S.: The Quicksilver 'fiasco' (which wasn't really one, considering that things went well) is probably traceable to old deals btw Fox and Marvel when the latter hadn't even set up their own movie studio yet. The Sony/Marvel pact is a recent one, and a deal which Feige personally ironed out with the Sony execs. Which means that if Venom's not in the MCU, he's fully aware and okay with that, considering that he's signed a deal.

Yes they signed a deal for Spider-Man to be in the mcu and his characters. They know venom is a huge player. He's showing up in the new cartoon, he sells toys and everything. Your telling me marvel didn't want that? I think not. I think that since marvel shared the rights avi arad wanted to make his own franchise to compete which is why he is making other films such as black cat and silver sable and probably sinister six. All I see is an old guy stroking his ego trying to hold onto what is left of the rights before Sony burns.
Btw I'm pretty sure that marvel very well do the black suit and probably it's own version of venom. Spidey is going to space for crying out loud.

 

[ironwez20]

Infinity War seems like such a perfect excuse for Spider-Man go to space and got the symbiote costume. Imagine how much money can get just from black costume Spider-Man alone.

Yea I just don't see how marvel is going to let that slip away. They love to cater to there fans

 

[harryoscop]

Yeah, Venom sells more merch an all of Spidey's villains. No way Disney doesn't want him in the MCU, he brings so many potential storylines & characters with him as well.

 

[mclay18]

I think that since marvel shared the rights avi arad wanted to make his own franchise to compete which is why he is making other films such as black cat and silver sable and probably sinister six. All I see is an old guy stroking his ego trying to hold onto what is left of the rights before Sony burns.

Arad isn't producing the Black Cat/Silver Sable movie, Amy Pascal and Matthew Tolmach are. Venom is Avi Arad's favorite Spidey character, and it seems like Marvel Studios and Sony are fine with letting him do that (rather than taint another Spider-Man film).

Frankly, after the hell Arad put Sam Raimi through on SM-3 and the nixed SM-4, he doesn't need to be anywhere near Peter Parker. (And he did the same damn thing with Marc Webb.) Pay Avi an executive producer fee and on-screen credit, but keep him out of creative decisions.

 

[ironwez20]

Yeah, Venom sells more merch an all of Spidey's villains. No way Disney doesn't want him in the MCU, he brings so many potential storylines & characters with him as well.

Yup. Can't see them just letting him slip through there fingers. I think they pretty much said we'll do our version of venom and you can let arad have his. I mean it's only venom you can play with his origin a bit. One comes from space and another is a suit to cure cancer. Plus venom is a huge player in cartoons and marvel is bringing back Eddie Brock venom. Disney knows venom sells and is spidey' arch nemesis. Like it or not he is the most recognizable villain in spidey lore. And the people and kids for that matter want to see him.

 

[ironwez20]

Arad isn't producing the Black Cat/Silver Sable movie, Amy Pascal and Matthew Tolmach are. Venom is Avi Arad's favorite Spidey character, and it seems like Marvel Studios and Sony are fine with letting him do that (rather than taint another Spider-Man film).

Frankly, after the hell Arad put Sam Raimi through on SM-3 and the nixed SM-4, he doesn't need to be anywhere near Peter Parker. (And he did the same damn thing with Marc Webb.) Pay Avi an executive producer fee and on-screen credit, but keep him out of creative decisions.

Ah ok I see.

 

[harryoscop]

Yup. Can't see them just letting him slip through there fingers. I think they pretty much said we'll do our version of venom and you can let arad have his. I mean it's only venom you can play with his origin a bit. One comes from space and another is a suit to cure cancer. Plus venom is a huge player in cartoons and marvel is bringing back Eddie Brock venom. Disney knows venom sells and is spidey' arch nemesis. Like it or not he is the most recognizable villain in spidey lore. And the people and kids for that matter want to see him.

Yeah, I agree. (Although Norman Osborn tops Venom as Spidey's arch-nemisis imo & Ock is equal to Venom) But I do still want Venom in the MCU at some point. However, if he's in it, expect Tony Revolori's Flash to wear the Symbiote & plays Eddie's role 'cause if Carroll & the people involved with Homecoming are still onboard, they'll do everything they can to distance MCU Venom from Hardy Venom.

 

[ironwez20]

Yeah, I agree. (Although Norman Osborn tops Venom as Spidey's arch-nemisis imo & Ock is equal to Venom) But I do still want Venom in the MCU at some point. However, if he's in it, expect Tony Revolori's Flash to wear the Symbiote & plays Eddie's role 'cause if Carroll & the people involved with Homecoming are still onboard, they'll do everything they can to distance MCU Venom from Hardy Venom.

Or they could just cast a younger venom. But yea I see what your saying. They need to distance themselves. I really don't see Disney giving up the opportunity to do venom. Hell I know doc ock is definitely down the line. Maybe green goblin.

 

[harryoscop]

Yeah, true. Actually, I could see them adapting Ultimate Eddie Brock since Hardy is probably going to be more 616-based & Ult Eddie is a completely different character in everything but name.

He would be my choice