Soooo... This Batman thing

[MST3KPIMP]

How will dark knights success affect spidey films past and future?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

TDK's success had ALOT to do with Heath ledger's death. I don't think it'll affect Spidey's future and I don't think it should.

 

[Venom 1988]

TDK's success had ALOT to do with Heath ledger's death. I don't think it'll affect Spidey's future and I don't think it should.

lol gee and here I thought it was because the movie was near perfect

To be honest it was a combination of things...right timing, ledger's performance, yes his death as well, amazing story and cast, the hype, marketing, etc...

So no No A LOT did not have to do with Ledger's death.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I know that, but there is no doubt that Ledgers death had a big impact on the success of the film. Also, I'm getting kind of annoyed and others are as well with people saying that Spidey should learn form TDK. Things can be done with Batman that can't be done with Spider-Man and the other way around.

 

[Venom 1988]

Not really, if Ledger live it probably wouldn't have been as succesful, but thats not saying much. It still would have been as great of a success.

And yea Sony should learns some things about TDK for the Spidey series. And no I'm not talking about Spidey needs to be darker or anything like that, but in terms of the creative team, script and stories, characters and villians (its ok to introduce some villains w/out an origin and connection to Parker for Christs sake), not dumbing things down for the sake of children (I want a mature, yet fun and adventerous spidey story) and above all creative control (as in the producers should learn that just watching from afar would be a wise decision).

 

[Styleshift]

I consider Spider-man 3 to be the batman and robin of all the spider-man films.
Do i consider it as bad as batman and robin? no...
but I feel It failed because it was trying to fit in too many things, it created too many plot lines, needless characters etc. and it was a bit too campy. (evil peter dance...is up there with the bat nipples.)

The dark knight is the first absolutely perfect transition of a comic on film.
especially if you loved batman year one. some of my friends that dont like comics now realize why i read them after the sucess of the dark knight.
so I completely agree with venom1988.

if future film makers are smart....this SHOULD affect how serious comics are taken in films in the future. I like the spider-man films....I really do. but I hope they go with a heavier translation next time around. spidey is a record setter and he has SO MUCH untapped potential with storylines like the night gwen stacy died.

when you pick up a spidey comic...was peter always desperately in love with mj? is he always depressed? where is his sense of humor? I don't want it to be annoying....but spidey should mock his enemies. DID HE EVER HAVE A SPIDERMAN PARADE??? LOL!

no i feel the character was mishandled quite a bit.

 

[Venom75]

I'm sorry to say this,but I do think that leading up to the film,Ledger's death was on the minds of alot of people. I can remember being in line at the store and hearing people talking about The Dark Knight just behind me. Now,these were girls who looked maybe 19,20 years old? I mean,you knew that had no real interest in Batman or comic books but they went on and on about Heath and his death and how they will be seeing TDK. So,you know that his death brought alot of people to the movie that wouldn't have gone before. However,I think that all the positive reviews did it as well(and the great reviews of Heath's performance). As I've mentioned before,the movie is epic and a masterpiece. It's become an "event" movie that everyone has to see.
Now,I think that Spider-man 3 should've been that same kind of film,and it was for the first week or two. Everyone,and I mean EVERYONE, was looking forward to black suit Spidey and the appearance of Venom. I mean,Venom isn't Spidey's most dangerous and popular foe for nothing! People and fans wanted to see him. I can honestly say that I've never looked more forward to a film in my life,before or since. From the trailers and pics this film looked to be a very dark film and many(including myself)was REALLY looking forward to the Spider-man vs. Venom fight that we all thought would happen. That's exactly why the movie broke so many records that first weekend. But,I think when people saw it and saw how crowded the movie was,and how little Venom was in it,then they spread the word and even though the film recieved more positive then negative reviews,more people tend to listen to the negative than anything else(don't ask me why). And fewer people went with each passing day. The film was the highest grossing movie worldwide in the franchise's history,but when you have an opening weekend of $150 million,your final gross should be alot more than $325-30 million(here in the states). I believe that word of mouth brought the movie down a bit.
Now,all that being said,I really don't think that TDK's success will have a huge impact on Spider-man 4. I think that all films will look at little things The Dark Knight did and try to fit them into their own movies,but the Spider-man franchise is the most successful superhero series ever created. The first two films were awesome and the 3rd film,while not reaching the great heights people expected,is still a great movie and a nice addition to the franchise. But obviously,alot of people found it disappointing. So,if anything will effect what happens in Spider-man 4,it will be Spider-man 3.

 

[Ancracks]

The one thing Sony needs to learn is that long movies are not bad things. I thought TDK was alright but at least they gave time to develop the characters more, especially the villians. I wish Sony and Raimi would get off their ass and release Spiderman 3.1 or whatever the hell they'll call it and show us just how much better the movie could have been. I loved SP3, but even I was pissed off by how choppy it was.

Case in point: http://www.4thletter.net/2007/05/spider-man-3-the-deleted-scenes/

See what they cut out!? Why?!! Oh yeah, it was Trilogy May in 2007, oh...

 

[Ancracks]

Sorry, Double Post.

 

[Venom75]

The one thing Sony needs to learn is that long movies are not bad things. I thought TDK was alright but at least they gave time to develop the characters more, especially the villians. I wish Sony and Raimi would get off their ass and release Spiderman 3.1 or whatever the hell they'll call it and show us just how much better the movie could have been. I loved SP3, but even I was pissed off by how choppy it was.

Case in point: http://www.4thletter.net/2007/05/spider-man-3-the-deleted-scenes/

See what they cut out!? Why?!! Oh yeah, it was Trilogy May in 2007, oh...

Reading this makes me want to see a Spider-man 3.1 more than ever.

 

[Venom75]

The one thing Sony needs to learn is that long movies are not bad things. I thought TDK was alright but at least they gave time to develop the characters more, especially the villians. I wish Sony and Raimi would get off their ass and release Spiderman 3.1 or whatever the hell they'll call it and show us just how much better the movie could have been. I loved SP3, but even I was pissed off by how choppy it was.

Case in point: http://www.4thletter.net/2007/05/spider-man-3-the-deleted-scenes/

See what they cut out!? Why?!! Oh yeah, it was Trilogy May in 2007, oh...

Reading this makes me want to see a Spider-man 3.1 more than ever.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Man is a different character then Batman, so purely by learning something meaning darker elements, then no, Spider-Man has nothing to learn from TDK there (unless they do a darker story like Kraven's Last Hunt).

I do agree with Venom 1988, that they can learn to give the director more creative control (don't force in a villain) and that (sans the Lizard) we can stop having the villains have a personal connection to Peter.

I don't feel the movies have been dumbed down for kids really, so I am just not going to get into that discussion.

 

[Spider-Man '92]

I doubt it'll alter it much, but I think they'll go back to being more serious, and perhaps get an edgier story. I'd like to see the death of Peter and MJ's child at some point.

 

[The Agent]

TDK's success had ALOT to do with Heath ledger's death.

That quite an ignorant comment to make there, buddy.

 

[jimslimbo]

That quite an ignorant comment to make there, buddy.

its true though. tdk gained alot of new fans just because people wanted to see heaths last performance.

 

[NinjaCarm]

Not really, if Ledger live it probably wouldn't have been as succesful, but thats not saying much. It still would have been as great of a success.

And yea Sony should learns some things about TDK for the Spidey series. And no I'm not talking about Spidey needs to be darker or anything like that, but in terms of the creative team, script and stories, characters and villians (its ok to introduce some villains w/out an origin and connection to Parker for Christs sake), not dumbing things down for the sake of children (I want a mature, yet fun and adventerous spidey story) and above all creative control (as in the producers should learn that just watching from afar would be a wise decision).

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Firstly... I'm glad The Dark Knight crushed Spider-man 3's records in every way... from opening weekend record on, etc. etc.


It truly deserved it and was a much more accomplished movie.




I don't think Spider-man and it's crew could leran from it as it wholly different characters... but they could...

-Give the Director more control
-Much much better casting
-And they should definitely have a look at the most creative viral marketing campaign for a super-hero movie yet.

 

[The Bruce]

I found myself bored at points when I saw TDK. I'm sorry but I did.

I've seen crappy non-superhero action flicks with more excitement.

I still rate ALL the Spider-man films above the Nolan Batman because of a huge edge in RAW fun. ENTERTAINMENT DAMMIT.

 

[javi1024]

The one thing Sony needs to learn is that long movies are not bad things. I thought TDK was alright but at least they gave time to develop the characters more, especially the villians. I wish Sony and Raimi would get off their ass and release Spiderman 3.1 or whatever the hell they'll call it and show us just how much better the movie could have been. I loved SP3, but even I was pissed off by how choppy it was.

Case in point: http://www.4thletter.net/2007/05/spider-man-3-the-deleted-scenes/

See what they cut out!? Why?!! Oh yeah, it was Trilogy May in 2007, oh...

alot of those scenes would have made the movie better, but im still not convinced it would have salvaged the first mistake of having 3 main villains in one movie.

 

[In a Pickle]

I found myself bored at points when I saw TDK. I'm sorry but I did.

I've seen crappy non-superhero action flicks with more excitement.

I still rate ALL the Spider-man films above the Nolan Batman because of a huge edge in RAW fun. ENTERTAINMENT DAMMIT.

TDK is more for adults.

 

[spida-man]

^^ I know that, but there is no doubt that Ledgers death had a big impact on the success of the film. Also, I'm getting kind of annoyed and others are as well with people saying that Spidey should learn form TDK. Things can be done with Batman that can't be done with Spider-Man and the other way around.

LOL ur posts r amazing dude, half the time u seem to be one of the main ones who makes sense around here on the spidey boards

 

[Venom 1988]

LOL ur posts r amazing dude, half the time u seem to be one of the main ones who makes sense around here on the spidey boards

No offense against SMH12, but WTF you cant be serious

 

[Orb]

^Agreed
No Mr.Ledgers death had LITTLE do with it but the Viral stuff is WHAT people loved and lots of people had fun and became apart of it as it was very huge and I saw army of people there. Dark Knight was everywhere and at news as well. It went from lots of places around world. And so more people became part. That brought the people in theaters. I saw TDK alot in the news (no Ledgers death) and even my MOM wanted to see it and she doesn't really watches these movies.

 

[spida-man]

The one thing Sony needs to learn is that long movies are not bad things. I thought TDK was alright but at least they gave time to develop the characters more, especially the villians. I wish Sony and Raimi would get off their ass and release Spiderman 3.1 or whatever the hell they'll call it and show us just how much better the movie could have been. I loved SP3, but even I was pissed off by how choppy it was.

Case in point: http://www.4thletter.net/2007/05/spider-man-3-the-deleted-scenes/

See what they cut out!? Why?!! Oh yeah, it was Trilogy May in 2007, oh...

YES!!! I totally agree..AND FINALLY some who tooke info from the novel and released to the public what would have been in the movie(I'm just sorry that i didn't do anything, i can't even find my freakin' SM3 novel...)
everything in the post about the novel is exactly what should have been in the movie, I am sure that if all of those scenes would have been kept int the film, ppl wouldn't be badmotuhing it so much

 

[Infinity9999x]

^^ I know that, but there is no doubt that Ledgers death had a big impact on the success of the film. Also, I'm getting kind of annoyed and others are as well with people saying that Spidey should learn form TDK. Things can be done with Batman that can't be done with Spider-Man and the other way around.

I think Ledger's death had a lot to do with TDK's opening weekend, because it drew in lots of people that wouldn't have gone to see the movie that quickly otherwise.

Besides that though, the reason TDK has had such great legs has largely to do with how good the movie is. It has amazing WOM.

I do agree with you however, that there are lots of things a Batman movie can do, and include, that a Spider-man movie can't, and shouldn't.

The one thing I think Spider-man movies, and blockbusters in general, should take away from TDK is how well written, constructed, and intelligent the movie was. That's about it though, Spider-man doesn't need to be as dark as TDK to do good, or start adding realism into it's movies.