Speed fastest reflexes / over ground / travel period.

[Varient]

Whoa.
Forgot ALL ABOUT THIS THREAD.

 

[X]

Hasn't made much progrrss in two years, eh?

 

[Varient]

Hasn't made much progrrss in two years, eh?

Nah,... Kinda dead since I was right to begin with.

Fastest overall as far as physical motion over ground is the Flash

Fastest overall as far as Speed thru Space is the Silver Surfer

Fastest transporter w/o limit is Pip the Troll.
(My kinda Slob)

 

[X]

Nah,... Kinda dead since I was right to begin with.

Fastest overall as far as physical motion over ground is the Flash

Fastest overall as far as Speed thru Space is the Silver Surfer

Fastest transporter w/o limit is Pip the Troll.
(My kinda Slob)

See? You're still not right.

Some use this thread was.

 

[Varient]

See? You're still not right.

Some use this thread was.

Okay,... What's YOUR LIST?

 

[A_French_Gal]

Easily the fastest on the ground is Zoom. Beyond easily. He'd run circles around Flash until he cried.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Except that the uber-fast Zoom got his ass handed to him by a blind Wonder Woman, so there goes that idea. If Wally could max himself out without having to worry about being absorbed into the Speed Force, I think he'd take the prize as fastest. Since he does have to worry about it, though, I imagine Marvel's Runner would be the fastest. He can run beyond light speed, if I recall correctly. If I'm wrong, X will correct me.

 

[X]

Except that the uber-fast Zoom got his ass handed to him by a blind Wonder Woman, so there goes that idea. If Wally could max himself out without having to worry about being absorbed into the Speed Force, I think he'd take the prize as fastest. Since he does have to worry about it, though, I imagine Marvel's Runner would be the fastest. He can run beyond light speed, if I recall correctly. If I'm wrong, X will correct me.

The Wonder Woman incident absolutely reeks of CIS. She heard a time displaced being. Ho-Kay.

Regardless, she did almost the exact same thing to Wally while blind.

And you make me sound so harsh, Corp...

Come on, be honest... Haven't I mellowed out?

Runner basically is a cosmic Flash. He blitzed Thanos speed wise who's never had any problems with The Silver Surfer speed wise. Kicked the living crap out of The Titan as well, something only Odin and Tyrant level beings have been seen to do.

Outdid The Surfer in a fight as well... Speed wise, he was on Norrin before Norrin knew what was happening. Some people say The Runner was only visible to Norrin when he allowed it. Regardless, Norrin was almost dead in short order, after taking a beating just as bad as any Thanos had handed him.

And this is the same Surfer who can do this...

 

[A_French_Gal]

Except that the uber-fast Zoom got his ass handed to him by a blind Wonder Woman, so there goes that idea. If Wally could max himself out without having to worry about being absorbed into the Speed Force, I think he'd take the prize as fastest. Since he does have to worry about it, though, I imagine Marvel's Runner would be the fastest. He can run beyond light speed, if I recall correctly. If I'm wrong, X will correct me.

That wasn't the issue, the issue was that Zoom moved faster than Flash.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

And Wonder Woman kicked the crap out of Zoom while blind, which could arguably imply that Wonder Woman's faster than Zoom.

You're fine, X. I didn't mean it pejoratively at all. Seriously, if I were wrong, you would have corrected me, wouldn't you? And for the record, when Diana "beat" Wally and the rest of the JLA as a test to determine whether she should still be a member, Wally was holding back. He even admits it in the issue. He doesn't feel right about going all-out against Diana in the first place, but he felt even worse knowing she was blind, so he held back.

As for the implausibility of her beating Zoom, the time displacement's not even the worst of it. Zoom is, for all intents and purposes, moving faster than light because of his time displacement. That means that even if Diana could hear his footfalls, their sound would reach her a hell of a lot later than Zoom's fist would. The whole fight was lame, in my opinion, but that seems to be the norm when speedsters are involved. Otherwise they're just too powerful.

 

[A_French_Gal]

And Wonder Woman kicked the crap out of Zoom while blind, which could arguably imply that Wonder Woman's faster than Zoom.

You're fine, X. I didn't mean it pejoratively at all. Seriously, if I were wrong, you would have corrected me, wouldn't you? And for the record, when Diana "beat" Wally and the rest of the JLA as a test to determine whether she should still be a member, Wally was holding back. He even admits it in the issue. He doesn't feel right about going all-out against Diana in the first place, but he felt even worse knowing she was blind, so he held back.

As for the implausibility of her beating Zoom, the time displacement's not even the worst of it. Zoom is, for all intents and purposes, moving faster than light because of his time displacement. That means that even if Diana could hear his footfalls, their sound would reach her a hell of a lot later than Zoom's fist would. The whole fight was lame, in my opinion, but that seems to be the norm when speedsters are involved. Otherwise they're just too powerful.

That in no way makes her faster than Zoom. At all. It just means she beat Zoom.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

How would she have beat someone who's supposed to be exponentially faster than she is if she's not faster, or at least very, very close in speed to him? If they were at the respective levels of speed implied by "Blitz," Wonder Woman would've been like a statue to Zoom, wholly incapable of reacting in time (providing, once again, that it were even possible for her to hear his footsteps, which it still isn't) to do anything to him. Either Zoom's lost speed or Wonder Woman's gained speed or the writers just didn't think things out well enough. My money's on the last, but canon is canon, unfortunately.

 

[A_French_Gal]

How would she have beat someone who's supposed to be exponentially faster than she is if she's not faster, or at least very, very close in speed to him? If they were at the respective levels of speed implied by "Blitz," Wonder Woman would've been like a statue to Zoom, wholly incapable of reacting in time (providing, once again, that it were even possible for her to hear his footsteps, which it still isn't) to do anything to him. Either Zoom's lost speed or Wonder Woman's gained speed or the writers just didn't think things out well enough. My money's on the last, but canon is canon, unfortunately.

I agree with those thoughts. If people wrote Zoom to his true potential, he'd be a god really. But yeah, probably poor writers, or Zoom just can't do it like he used to. And unfortunately, it is canon now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It happens to all the speedsters. The only difference is that for Wally, it's actually written into his character that he holds himself back pretty much all the time, for various reasons. Usually it's some combination of his wanting to retain his humanity because he feels his tie to the Speed Force threatens to wrench that away from him and his fear of accidentally killing one of his less-than-impressive Rogues by going too rough on him or her. Sad, but what are you gonna do?

 

[Lackey]

As for the implausibility of her beating Zoom, the time displacement's not even the worst of it. Zoom is, for all intents and purposes, moving faster than light because of his time displacement. That means that even if Diana could hear his footfalls, their sound would reach her a hell of a lot later than Zoom's fist would. The whole fight was lame, in my opinion, but that seems to be the norm when speedsters are involved. Otherwise they're just too powerful.

you can't really bring sound into the equation... or else how does Zoom even talk? How do Jay and Wally, running side by side at several times the speed of sound, carry on a conversation? How does Superman hear a bullet go off on the other side of the world and get there in time to catch Lois falling to the ground after being shot?
Sound is one part of physics that is almost completely thrown out the window in comic books.

As for Wonder Woman beating Zoom... I do wish that would have been written differently. But on the other hand, you are dealing with a person that the gods have gifted with practically perfect accuracy.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I agree with the sound thing, actually. Sound is so totally botched in comics that there's basically no redeeming it at this point.

Regarding Wonder Woman, I don't know. Perfect accuracy is well and good, but I still think Rucka underestimated the full potential of a crazy, uninhibited villain with the ultimate source of super-speed.

 

[Varient]

Easily the fastest on the ground is Zoom. Beyond easily. He'd run circles around Flash until he cried.

Nope.
Zoom moves outside OF TIME.

He's not "fast" he can simply control the flow of time in ref to himself.

Otherwise,.. ANYONE who can time travel is "faster" than the Flash.

 

[A_French_Gal]

Nope.
Zoom moves outside OF TIME.

He's not "fast" he can simply control the flow of time in ref to himself.

Otherwise,.. ANYONE who can time travel is "faster" than the Flash.

Umm... Using a machine to travel time is different from just slowing down time till you're moving faster that someone else. And since he slows down time till he's faster than everybody else. Wouldn't that make him faster than everybody else?

 

[Varient]

Except that the uber-fast Zoom got his ass handed to him by a blind Wonder Woman, so there goes that idea. If Wally could max himself out without having to worry about being absorbed into the Speed Force, I think he'd take the prize as fastest. Since he does have to worry about it, though, I imagine Marvel's Runner would be the fastest. He can run beyond light speed, if I recall correctly. If I'm wrong, X will correct me.

Isn't the runners Speed Granted by a "soul Gem?"
if we're gonna start including tech,.. then Everyone with gear that isn't attached to them qualifies somewhere on the list.

 

[Varient]

The Wonder Woman incident absolutely reeks of CIS. She heard a time displaced being. Ho-Kay.

Regardless, she did almost the exact same thing to Wally while blind.

And you make me sound so harsh, Corp...

Come on, be honest... Haven't I mellowed out?

Runner basically is a cosmic Flash. He blitzed Thanos speed wise who's never had any problems with The Silver Surfer speed wise. Kicked the living crap out of The Titan as well, something only Odin and Tyrant level beings have been seen to do.

Outdid The Surfer in a fight as well... Speed wise, he was on Norrin before Norrin knew what was happening. Some people say The Runner was only visible to Norrin when he allowed it. Regardless, Norrin was almost dead in short order, after taking a beating just as bad as any Thanos had handed him.

And this is the same Surfer who can do this...

Any Pic's of the Runner?

 

[A_French_Gal]

Isn't the runners Speed Granted by a "soul Gem?"
if we're gonna start including tech,.. then Everyone with gear that isn't attached to them qualifies somewhere on the list.

I'm adding everybody who has superspeed, mechanical or not. And since Zoom can slow down time to where the Flash is just crawling by, Zoom is technically faster. Argue it all you want. If you move faster than the Flash, you're FASTER than the Flash. And if he uses a machine to make himself faster than the Flash, he's still FASTER than the Flash.

 

[White_Howling]

thanks X!!!!

love your surfer scans.. hes soo bad-ass.. well kind-ass

"please be patient" boy he sure cracks me up

 

[Lackey]

Zoom doesn't slow down time

...and I was going to bring up what Varient said earlier, if we're going to bring Time Travel into this, then any time traveler is faster than anyone else even teleporters

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Isn't the runners Speed Granted by a "soul Gem?"
if we're gonna start including tech,.. then Everyone with gear that isn't attached to them qualifies somewhere on the list.

Runner had the Space Gem for a while, but he was pretty much the fastest being alive even without it. He's an Elder of the Universe. The Elders gained immortality by devoting themselves completely to one thing; the Runner's thing was running.

 

[Guyverjay]

I'm adding everybody who has superspeed, mechanical or not. And since Zoom can slow down time to where the Flash is just crawling by, Zoom is technically faster. Argue it all you want. If you move faster than the Flash, you're FASTER than the Flash. And if he uses a machine to make himself faster than the Flash, he's still FASTER than the Flash.

That logic is flawed at best.