Speed fastest reflexes / over ground / travel period.

[Varient]

That logic is flawed at best.

Maybe you could explain it better,... I tried but something got lost in the translation.


Zoom is not faster than any speedster,.. he doesn't move at superspeed,.. thats why he couldn't work the cosmic treadmill,... and needed the other Zooms help.

He exists OUTSIDE OF TIME.

Such a person is like an observer more than a participant, he has the option to adjust his own position on the timeline

But it's not speed.

Peace.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It has to do with kinetic energy. Zoom is not generating any significant amount of kinetic energy; he's running like you or I would. While he does that, however, he's adjusting his own timeline so that time passes much slower for him than it does for the rest of the world. That's why he can't do infinite mass punches or anything, because he's not actually moving fast enough to generate the necessary kinetic energy.

Unfortunately, it's also why Wally can't keep up with him. While Wally's actually moving faster and faster, Zoom's moving at the same speed but slowing his timeline so much that he can appear to move faster than light. If Wally, on the other hand, moves faster than light, he disappears into the Speed Force and is screwed.

 

[X]

I thought most people knew that, but hey.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

In Marvel Quicksilver on the ground, Angel or Storm in the Air, and in DC Flash on the Ground, HawkMan or Superboy in the air.

i always felt that cannonball was faster than storm or angel in the air...

 

[Anubis]

Angel or Storm in the air? What about Northstar? It's because he's gay isn't it? Homophobe!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Isn't Cannonball faster than Northstar, too? Northstar's fast, but Cannonball flies like he's got a jet strapped to his ass.

 

[Anubis]

Rocket Farts.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Isn't Cannonball faster than Northstar, too? Northstar's fast, but Cannonball flies like he's got a jet strapped to his ass.

i think that's the best similie in the english language

 

[TheCorpulent1]

i think that's the best similie in the english language

Why, thank you. I try.

 

[X]

Isn't Cannonball faster than Northstar, too? Northstar's fast, but Cannonball flies like he's got a jet strapped to his ass.

Northstar could move at the speed of light in some instances, coulden't he?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought he was limited to just a few machs.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

actually, gladiator has been shown to be quicker than cannonball in the air when they fought against one another...

so i change my choice of fastest flyer to gladiator...

but cannonball can certainly move though...

 

[X]

Gladiator once moved a hundred times the speed of light.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Silver Age shenanigans. I think it's pretty commonly accepted that the speed of light is the maximum in modern comics, or if it's not, it should be.

 

[X]

When you can smash an Earth sized planet casually and just because it's in your way and compress stars into singularities with your bare hands, that isn't very far off. He's basically 70's Pre-Crisis Superman.

Superman's gone faster than light in space, Flash has blown past it, The Surfer, blah blah blah.

 

[King_Mungi]

Northstar could move at the speed of light in some instances, coulden't he?

Correct..

"It was once theoretically possible for her [Aurora] to reach 99% of the speed of light (286,272 miles per second in a vacuum), although she never traveled at anywhere near that speed since if she did, she would wreak great damage upon herself end her environment. Dr. Langkowski's actions in molecularly restructuring Aurora's body greatly reduced the potential limits of her speed. She now can move at speeds roughly up to the speed of sound (about 770 miles per hour at sea level). This reduction has made little difference in the use of her powers over short distances, since she can still move faster than the human eye can follow."

Aurora was hindered, not sure if she still is but Northstar theoretically can still do it. Unless the Hand took that away
---
Well in Qusar: Reborn to Run Barry Allen ["Buried Alien"] beat the Quicksilver, The Whizzer, Captain Marvel, Speed Demon, Black Racer, Super Sabre, and Quasar’s friend Makkari. I don't remember if The Runner was in it, but he did organize it.

 

[Varient]

Correct..

"It was once theoretically possible for her [Aurora] to reach 99% of the speed of light (286,272 miles per second in a vacuum), although she never traveled at anywhere near that speed since if she did, she would wreak great damage upon herself end her environment. Dr. Langkowski's actions in molecularly restructuring Aurora's body greatly reduced the potential limits of her speed. She now can move at speeds roughly up to the speed of sound (about 770 miles per hour at sea level). This reduction has made little difference in the use of her powers over short distances, since she can still move faster than the human eye can follow."

Aurora was hindered, not sure if she still is but Northstar theoretically can still do it. Unless the Hand took that away
---
Well in Qusar: Reborn to Run Barry Allen ["Buried Alien"] beat the Quicksilver, The Whizzer, Captain Marvel, Speed Demon, Black Racer, Super Sabre, and Quasar’s friend Makkari. I don't remember if The Runner was in it, but he did organize it.

We kinda dropped this one didn't we?


W/O an answer I mean?

 

[Guyverjay]

The Runner wasn't in that race

 

[The Joker™]

Zoom is not faster than any speedster

Yeah he is.

In Flash #225 Wally even said he can't keep up with him.

In #223 Zoom says regardless of what people think I'm am the fastest man alive.

Super speed was the reason he could do the sonic boom with a snap of his fingers killing Linda's kids.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Even though that doesn't make a lick of sense, since his power isn't actually super-speed, it's minor time manipulation. How you get a sonic boom from simply appearing to move fast to others who aren't on your timeline is beyond me.

Anyway, I agree with the other part. Given the nature of his powers and the speedsters' limitation that they'll merge with the Speed Force if they go too fast, Zoom should be able to safely move faster than any speedster.

 

[The Joker™]

If he can manipulate time then why does he need the treadmill?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He can manipulate his own timeline, meaning he can make himself appear to be slower or faster than everyone else. Basically, the rate at which time passes is a variable to him, but only for himself.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

There are others capable of great speed. Nova can fly at least 3000 mph. Rogue can go supersonic as well. A sonic boom is generated when an object is traveling too fast for the air to easily get out of the way. If Zoom is traveling that fast with respect to the surrounding air he will get a sonic boom regardless of how he managed to do it. Oh, and some of the Eternals are also fast, Ikaris in particular (Makkari goes without saying).

 

[Eyeballing]

Well I pretty much agree with what Varient had to say in the begining. But he never brought up Makkari and he wasn't mentioned after I mentioned him two years ago until King Mungi brought him back up.

As far as running goes actually possessing the speed yourself : The Runner, Makkari, and Flash I would say are the top beings.

Flying: Well I am not sure who is faster than Chrome Dome, the guy does Multiple lights his speed has never really been measured or stated. Has it?

If we are talking machines or vehicles I am sure Galactus' is faster than SS, maybe even Thanos might have something among many other Cosmic related beings.

Teleportation: I have no arguments against anyone previously stated: Pip, Lila, Aza or the others. I would also think Death can teleport anywhere at any time she feels but I don't think people will count her since she is a cosmic. But hey peolple are also counting Eternals and Elders so why not?

Using devices I would think that Thanos has to have one of the best teleporation systems around. I mean he can not only teleport pretty much anywhere in the Universe but can also travel to other dimensions.


If we are taking into consideration Flash's 500,000 people bomb saving act, he is at least 90,000-180,000 times faster than the speed of light, even though he should have merged with the Speed Force.

 

[Eyeballing]

Isn't the runners Speed Granted by a "soul Gem?"
if we're gonna start including tech,.. then Everyone with gear that isn't attached to them qualifies somewhere on the list.

Yes but that was only for a little while, even without it he is extremley fast. But as Thanos stated he controled space, so he wasn't always "running" eveywhere, he would teleport a lot. Which is why Thanos explains he would often wind up somewhere before he started to run, because he would think of a place then teleport there.

So at those speeds he really didn't run.