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[harryoscop]

I don't think that idea holds any weight to it just because thats a real lack luster move IMO no disrespect to you but i just dont see that happening he still has powers with or with out the suit and based off the trailers he just wants Tony to stop treating him like a kid. that could mean a variety of things tbh. Im guessing we see him before civil war and after is when he gets the suit hence why he is in washington. Maybe he has 3 encounters with vulture and the 1st one completely ravages his suit, so the 2nd encounter is him in proto

He's in Washington because Midtown is on a field trip. This has been confirmed. And I think he two encounters with Vulture. 1 at the Field trip when Vulture attacks the cruise and the final fight with him in his homemade suit.

The reason why he's back to his homemade one is likely one of two reasons. When Ganke hacks the Stark one and finds about the GPS tracker in it and Peter has to ditch in order to go after Vulture otherwise Stark would know and stop him. OR Stark deactivates the suit himself and Peter has to gp back to his old suit.

The reason why Stark doesn't want him going after Vulture is because of the Accords, this is why he gets attacked by the SWAT team in Washington.

 

[amazingly atiba]

He's in Washington because Midtown is on a field trip. This has been confirmed. And I think he two encounters with Vulture. 1 at the Field trip and the final fight with him in his homemade suit.

The reason why he's back to his homemade one is likely because Ganke hacks the Stark one and finds about the GPS tracker in it

Harry. Once again ill state that the final fight is obviously when vulture splits the ship in half and spidey is in his actual suit holding it together, unless this battle drags on into the night which it most likely wont, it still makes no since for spidey to carry the proto suit on him

 

[amazingly atiba]

He's in Washington because Midtown is on a field trip. This has been confirmed. And I think he two encounters with Vulture. 1 at the Field trip when Vulture attacks the cruise and the final fight with him in his homemade suit.

The reason why he's back to his homemade one is likely one of two reasons. When Ganke hacks the Stark one and finds about the GPS tracker in it and Peter has to ditch in order to go after Vulture otherwise Stark would know and stop him. OR Stark deactivates the suit himself and Peter has to gp back to his old suit.

The reason why Stark doesn't want him going after Vulture is because of the Accords, this is why he gets attacked by the SWAT team in Washington.

Makes more since then before you edited the post. Still not believing thats the final fight unless the shiop scene takes place in washington which it doesnt because the statue of liberty is clearly seen in that scene

 

[amazingly atiba]

Harry. Once again ill state that the final fight is obviously when vulture splits the ship in half and spidey is in his actual suit holding it together, unless this battle drags on into the night which it most likely wont, it still makes no since for spidey to carry the proto suit on him

Also what would vulture be doing in washington that makes no sense

 

[harryoscop]

Harry. Once again ill state that the final fight is obviously when vulture splits the ship in half and spidey is in his actual suit holding it together, unless this battle drags on into the night which it most likely wont, it still makes no since for spidey to carry the proto suit on him

I highly doubt the final fight is when Vulture splits the ship. It doesn't look like Climax material and Spidey wouldn't be able to take on both. Vulture probably splits the ship in half as an aversion so he can escape me thinks. I think it's the second act. He loses his Stark suit and this is obviously when the climax/third act happens. Vulture and Shocker find out his identity

And there are a myriad of reasons why he would go back to his homemade suit. Two the most likely reasons I just listed in my post above. How is it not making sense?

 

[The Infernal]

I've always thought that Ultimate Scorpion would be a cool way to do him onscreen. It just seems more believable and fitting in the MCU universe.

Then we could have a Clone Saga movie too...

I hope we never see the Clone Saga in the movies. The only thing worse than clones are Ultimate clones. Scorpion, Spider-woman. Either go classic or don't go at all.

On the subject of villains we'd like to see, aside from classic inspired Scorpion, I'd like to see Mysterio. However I'd like the first couple of Mysterios from the comics working together as a sleight of hand style magician style act with both pretending to be one single Mysterio to help sell their illusions. Preferably I'd like to see Bruce Campbell and Neil Patrick Harris play the double team.

 

[EmperorCommodus]

I hope we never see the Clone Saga in the movies. The only thing worse than clones are Ultimate clones. Scorpion, Spider-woman. Either go classic or don't go at all.

On the subject of villains we'd like to see, aside from classic inspired Scorpion, I'd like to see Mysterio. However I'd like the first couple of Mysterios from the comics working together as a sleight of hand style magician style act with both pretending to be one single Mysterio to help sell their illusions. Preferably I'd like to see Bruce Campbell and Neil Patrick Harris play the double team.

But how do you work Mysterio as a main villain? Kevin Smith did a Daredevil comic where Mysterio was dying and wanted to go out on top, so completely upped his game and created this whole scheme with a baby. But, on whole, he's more of a comedic character, isn't he?

 

[amazingly atiba]

I highly doubt the final fight is when Vulture splits the ship. It doesn't look like Climax material and Spidey wouldn't be able to take on both. Vulture probably splits the ship in half as an aversion so he can escape me thinks. I think it's the second act. He loses his Stark suit and this is obviously when the climax/third act happens. Vulture and Shocker find out his identity

And there are a myriad of reasons why he would go back to his homemade suit. Two the most likely reasons I just listed in my post above. How is it not making sense?

Thats not climax material? obviously that wouldnt be the only scene in the final battle but however him escaping and using the ship as a diversion does make alot of since, i just dont see them having the final fight be in his proto suit. And where is the conformations that the final fight is a team up of shocker and vulture? Also explain why vulture would be in washington??? doesnt make sense bro. So explain the first act? We really cant put much together until the 2nd trailer

 

[SpideyJJ]

I like to think he goes after Vulture against Stark's wishes (since he's concerned for him) and ends up getting his suit deactivated, prompting him to go it alone in his old duds and earning Tony's respect as a result. From there, he declines an offer to be an Avenger but let's Tony know that if he's really needed, he's not hard to find or something like that.

Ideally, that's what I'd like to think will occur, but I'm just gonna wait and see what goes down

 

[amazingly atiba]

Ideally, that's what I'd like to think will occur, but I'm just gonna wait and see what goes down

What is meant by deactivation? his suit isn't a machine he can still shoot webs on his own and swing on his own so can someone clarify this for me

 

[harryoscop]

Thats not climax material? obviously that wouldnt be the only scene in the final battle but however him escaping and using the ship as a diversion does make alot of since, i just dont see them having the final fight be in his proto suit. And where is the conformations that the final fight is a team up of shocker and vulture? Also explain why vulture would be in washington??? doesnt make sense bro. So explain the first act? We really cant put much together until the 2nd trailer

I'm going to guess that the first act is the Happy scene in the homemade suit, the Stark car scene, the cafeteria scene, the bank robbery scene and the scene where Spidey is climbing the truck. And there's no confirmation but it makes sense because they're attacking Midtown high together. Why would they attack Midtown if they didn't know Spider-Man goes there? And would be the climax because that's when the stakes are at their highest, them finding out who he is and threatening his friends and family if he doesn't stop them. I personally think Toomes WAS talking to Peter when he said "Don't mess with me, 'cause I will kill you" this is probably in response to him messing up one of his early on plans.

Him going back to the homemade suit in the climax would bring his character arc full circle since he likely begins the movie pre-Civil War in his old suit. It does make sense. there's no reason to believe it doesn't.

 

[MbJ]

I hope we never see the Clone Saga in the movies. The only thing worse than clones are Ultimate clones. Scorpion, Spider-woman. Either go classic or don't go at all.

On the subject of villains we'd like to see, aside from classic inspired Scorpion, I'd like to see Mysterio. However I'd like the first couple of Mysterios from the comics working together as a sleight of hand style magician style act with both pretending to be one single Mysterio to help sell their illusions. Preferably I'd like to see Bruce Campbell and Neil Patrick Harris play the double team.

The mcu already takes a fair amount of influence from the ultimate books, so that ship has sailed.

 

[harryoscop]

What is meant by deactivation? his suit isn't a machine he can still shoot webs on his own and swing on his own so can someone clarify this for me

No he couldn't because the Webshooters are Stark tech, the lenses are Stark tech. He has a GPS tracking system ON the suit. That means he knows where Peter is at all times. Stark could easily have a deactivation button to lock the Webshooters, close the lenses and make any of the features basically useless. A similar thing happened in the Civil War comic when Stark tried to shut down the Iron Spider suit because had a built in deactivation feature on the suit.

 

[amazingly atiba]

I'm going to guess that the first act is the Happy scene in the homemade suit, the Stark car scene, the cafeteria scene, the bank robbery scene and the scene where Spidey is climbing the truck. And there's no confirmation but it makes sense because they're attacking Midtown high together. Why would they attack Midtown if they didn't know Spider-Man goes there? And would be the climax because that's when the stakes are at their highest, them finding out who he is and threatening his friends and family if he doesn't stop them. I personally think Toomes WAS talking to Peter when he said "Don't mess with me, 'cause I will kill you" this is probably in response to him messing up one of his early on plans.

Him going back to the homemade suit in the climax would bring his character arc full circle since he likely begins the movie pre-Civil War in his old suit. It does make sense. there's no reason to believe it doesn't.

What scene shows them attacking mid town high together bro? I havent seen it and also i just cant agree to the final battle being him in his prot suit, what happened to the rumor of the final fight being during the home coming dance? Was that debunked or no? And if the final fight is vulture and shocker vs spidey then that negates what you said earlier about the scene with spidey in his proto suit in the sand. Just because its at night doesnt mean its the climax? The ship scene looks more climatic then that scene cmon now. Also notice how in his single fight with shocker he is in proto. Probably deals with shocker and gang pre civil war, deals with vulture once pre civil war and deals with him again post civil war in the suit during the ship scene most likey a spidey and iron man team up because of the time of day. day time during that scene and day time during the scene of spidey and iron man flying together. all just speculation ofcourse

 

[amazingly atiba]

No he couldn't because the Webshooters are Stark tech, the lenses are Stark tech. He has a GPS tracking system ON the suit. That means he knows where Peter is at all times. Stark could easily have a deactivation button to lock the Webshooters, close the lenses and make any of the features basically useless. A similar thing happened in the Civil War comic when Stark tried to shut down the Iron Spider suit because had a built in deactivation feature on the suit.

Is there something im missing here? Peter created his own web shooters and showed Tony in civil war at his apartment? Any news or videos i may have missed saying that Tony made everything??? If thats the case thats kinda weak IMO.

 

[The Infernal]

But how do you work Mysterio as a main villain? Kevin Smith did a Daredevil comic where Mysterio was dying and wanted to go out on top, so completely upped his game and created this whole scheme with a baby. But, on whole, he's more of a comedic character, isn't he?

I'm not sure about comedic. I stopped reading at around the time they ressurected him. He didn't seem comedic to me. I'm not aware of him really being treated as less than credible unlike Shocker and Electro sadly have (dependent on writers at the time).

As for mortivation, I'm not dead set on anything, I can imagine various scenarios. As long as it is credible in the film and true in some way to the source material then I'd be fine with it.

 

[The Infernal]

The mcu already takes a fair amount of influence from the ultimate books, so that ship has sailed.

Eh? You say that as though we're actually likely to see that happen. We're not just talking clones of Peter, but clones of Peter substituting for classic characters. Not something I would put money on.

 

[harryoscop]

Is there something im missing here? Peter created his own web shooters and showed Tony in civil war at his apartment? Any news or videos i may have missed saying that Tony made everything??? If thats the case thats kinda weak IMO.

Well, basically Peter made the first Webshooters but Stark replaced and upgraded them with high-tech Webshooters that have multiple features.

What scene shows them attacking mid town high together bro?

I'm assuming this because he's fighting both Shocker and Vulture at night in his homemade suit. He

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also fights Tinkerer in a battle damaged version of his homemade suit. Not his Stark suit. This likely happens after the Vulture fight

I havent seen it and also i just cant agree to the final battle being him in his prot suit, what happened to the rumor of the final fight being during the home coming dance? Was that debunked or no?

[/spoiler] Yes, it was part of a Reddit plot leak that was debunked months ago.

And if the final fight is vulture and shocker vs spidey then that negates what you said earlier about the scene with spidey in his proto suit in the sand.

It's probably Shocker vs. Spidey first then Vulture vs. Spidey afterwards. What did I say that contradicts what I said about the proto-costume?

Just because its at night doesnt mean its the climax?

I'm not saying it being at night is the reason it's the climax. It's because he fights them in the Homemade at night.

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The ship scene looks more climatic then that scene cmon now.

It looks more larger-scale but the beach scene easily looks more climatic. Peter's face is badly beaten up, he's unmasked and he actually looks scared and the Vulture is looking at his face. This is obviously the most intense, dramatic part of the film. That's like the tram scene in Spider-Man 1 looks more like the climax than the final intense battle with the Green Goblin or the train scene in SM2 is the climax because he's stopping the train as opposed to the final fight with Doc Ock.

Also notice how in his single fight with shocker he is in proto. Probably deals with shocker and gang pre civil war, deals with vulture once pre civil war and deals with him again post civil war in the suit during the ship scene most likey a spidey and iron man team up because of the time of day. day time during that scene and day time during the scene of spidey and iron man flying together. all just speculation ofcourse

This doesn't make sense because the Vulture and Shocker do not exist pre-Civil War. Toomes and Schultz do but they don't have their technology. They receive their technological upgrade in THIS movie. Stark tells Peter to leave Vulture alone so the UN can deal with him. It would not make sense for Stark to be saying this in reference to him having already dealt with Toomes pre-CW because the Accords didn't exist and if they did, somebody would have taken care of Toomes & Schultz in that time frame.

 

[MbJ]

Eh? You say that as though we're actually likely to see that happen. We're not just talking clones of Peter, but clones of Peter substituting for classic characters. Not something I would put money on.

I wouldn't put money on most of them appearing to begin with. Does anyone think we'll see Spider-Man: Rise of Tarantula anytime soon?

Spider-Woman is the only one I see as sorta likely and even that's not a sure thing.

 

[Eggyman]

It's a good job you cancel yourself out oscop because you write an incredible amount of sh** on here.

 

[The Infernal]

I wouldn't put money on most of them appearing to begin with. Does anyone think we'll see Spider-Man: Rise of Tarantula anytime soon?

Spider-Woman is the only one I see as sorta likely and even that's not a sure thing.

I just don't see any of it happening, especially Spider-woman. It seems like the nature of Spider-man's rights and associated characters being with Sony makes Spider-woman a difficult character to adapt let alone an alternative version where she's a female clone of Peter. And I just don't see them doing clones. Not when they haven't covered even half of the classic villains yet.

 

[harryoscop]

It's a good job you cancel yourself out oscop because you write an incredible amount of sh** on here.

What do you mean by I "write a lot of sh**" are you saying my posts are ****? or what?

 

[Eggyman]

What do you mean by I "write a lot of sh**" are you saying my posts are ****? or what?

No, don't be silly. You're one of our best posters on here - rational, well-adjusted, reasonable. You deliver your opinions politely and with sound reasoning and you don't monopolise conversation. It's a pleasure.