Homecoming Spider-Man Homecoming (2017) General Discussion - - - Part 80

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[spideyboy_1111]

The 'flack' she got was disgusting and borderline embarrassing

When I stated "Everybody know and loves", I'm including the color of her hair. Only thing that would be different would be the color of her skin -- that's it.

Yeah... because zendaya looks natural with red hair.... (she doesn't and she's worn it and it looks awful)

And Kirsten is a poor example of an mj comparison.. her hair was terrible as was the portrayal

 

[PeterBenParker]

Yeah... because zendaya looks natural with red hair.... (she doesn't and she's worn it and it looks awful)

And there's your argument right there, man.

 

[Web-Head]

We could just go in circles about this race change thing for days, guys

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And there's your argument right there, man.

.... the term natural red head usually implies one looks "non distracting" with it.... not a "wow that hair is dyed" upon glance...

 

[CaptainWagner]

Last thread closed before I could quote Harry's comment on Zendaya being Black Cat:

Personally, I think to avoid the Catwoman-ripoff talk, they'd be better off using Lady Beetle in that role. Plus she brings Tombstone along for the ride.

 

[X Knight]

we all know that Ben Affleck will be cast as MJ.........

 

[Fincher]

It just boggles my mind how people can be open to some characters being race-swapped (mostly the smaller ones like Liz, Ned Leeds, etc.) yet get up in arms if a major character could potentially be of a different race.

Either commit fully or don't commit at all, honestly.

In my case, it's not about some principle that source material must forever remain unaltered. It's about caring about some things and not about other things based on my own feelings about them. I'm a fan of Batman and wouldn't want to see a movie where he's the villain and The Joker is the hero. Does it then follow that I have to be against The Flash, Cannonball, Captain Caveman, Punky Brewster, and the Maytag Man being villains?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I didn't see any of that. But I'd be willing to bet my Marvel Legends collection that if that movie had turned out a masterpiece, people would be hailing Jordan as perfect casting. Because he was.

People can ignore things if a movie is great... but it was pretty clear from the get go most weren't interested in this FF because of the changes... and mbj was just the tip of the iceberg... if that was the only change.. than yeah people could ignore it or get over it... but people also likely wouldn't of been thrilled with that part... it's especially not hard to find a smart mouthed cocky white blonde male in hollywood.. so but yes... I at one point got over the mbj thing but social media did not... it was a complete poo storm

 

[PeterBenParker]

We could just go in circles about this race change thing for days, guys

True, so I'm just letting it go. I know where I stand and others know where they stand.

I'm mostly just glad we got more casting announcements today.

 

[harryoscop]

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I just hope they're being honest with these casting names and arnt substitutes... not announcing a name is one thing to halt backlash... but disguising it as another name.. especially for supporting cast feels very cheap...

 

[harryoscop]

I just hope they're being honest with these casting names and arnt substitutes... not announcing a name is one thing to halt backlash... but disguising it as another name.. especially for supporting cast feels very cheap...

Uhh, no thanks to that. I'd rather have race-swapped versions of classic characters than new characters made for the movie. We both know Marvel should never have to do that for a Spider-Man movie with Spidey's rich supporting cast. Marvel are keeping their roles under wraps (which why the Trades are conflicting with one another)/

My money is on Tony being Harry and Laura being Liz.

 

[Web-Head]

True, so I'm just letting it go. I know where I stand and others know where they stand.

I'm mostly just glad we got more casting announcements today.

Exactly. Why not talk about them as actors? Me too, we've been spoiled with the Spider-Man news this week

 

[Web-Head]

I just hope they're being honest with these casting names and arnt substitutes... not announcing a name is one thing to halt backlash... but disguising it as another name.. especially for supporting cast feels very cheap...

Agreed. It's kind of dumb to use some fake names.

 

[harryoscop]

Agreed. It's kind of dumb to use some fake names.

No, it's actually not. Movie Studies use code-names all the time to keep the character they're auditioning for from leaking.

We won't know who these guys are playing until Marvel does an official full cast announcement on their website or when Sony reveals a press release announcing everybody.

 

[Web-Head]

Uhh, no thanks to that. I'd rather have race-swapped versions of classic characters than new characters made for the movie. We both know Marvel should never have to do that for a Spider-Man movie with Spidey's rich supporting cast. Marvel are keeping their roles under wraps (which why the Trades are conflicting with one another)/

My money is on Tony being Harry and Laura being Liz.

Maybe they're not made up characters. Maybe Zendaya is Michele G. and Tony is this guy --> http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Manuel_Arguelles_(Earth-616)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Uhh, no thanks to that. I'd rather have race-swapped versions of classic characters than new characters made for the movie. We both know Marvel should never have to do that for a Spider-Man movie with Spidey's rich supporting cast. Marvel are keeping their roles under wraps (which why the Trades are conflicting with one another)/

My money is on Tony being Harry.

I disagree... marvel seems pretty fantastic at honoring it's history.. and it's extremely likely they may want to save mj/gwen/Harry (Harry and him are not childhood friends in the 616 books)

And as I've said.. his mid-town high supporting cast is pretty small in 616 history... consisting of literally just flash and liz... this franchise will at least spend 1.5 films in highschool... 2 even.. he'd need a cast fleshed out. And when he graduates... half that cast likely won't go with him to ESU

 

[X Knight]

like I said before, Ben Affleck will be cast as MJ.......

Affleck MJ: "Face it tiger!! You just hit the jackpot!"

Peter: "MARTHA!!"

Affleck MJ: "That name!! How do you know that name!! Tell me!! Do you........bleed??!!"

Peter ( thinking ): "This is the last time I let Aunt May set me up on a blind date!!"

 

[Web-Head]

^ I like that idea, spideyboy

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Maybe they're not made up characters. Maybe Zendaya is Michele G. and Tony is this guy --> http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Manuel_Arguelles_(Earth-616)

It's quite possible marvel is filling out a hs cast with lesser spider-man supporting cast names.. while saving the more known ones for college ... and that would be cool. I'd rather Michelle Gonzales be a girl in his hs.. than an annoying roomate who Peter quasi drunkenly slept with and she made his life hell

 

[X Knight]

I disagree... marvel seems pretty fantastic at honoring it's history.. and it's extremely likely they may want to save mj/gwen/Harry (Harry and him are not childhood friends in the 616 books)

And as I've said.. his mid-town high supporting cast is pretty small in 616 history... consisting of literally just flash and liz... this franchise will at least spend 1.5 films in highschool... 2 even.. he'd need a cast fleshed out. And when he graduates... half that cast likely won't go with him to ESU

they can always follow the Ultimate comics and Spectacular cartoon route where MJ, Gwen, and Harry were part of Peter's HS circle.

and I'd prefer that, actually. I don't want to wait until Peter gets to college before we meet MJ, Gwen, and Harry.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Exactly. Why not talk about them as actors? Me too, we've been spoiled with the Spider-Man news this week

Well, I'm completely unfamiliar with Laura Harrier but I liked Tony in The Grand Budapest Hotel so I'm cool.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

^ I like that idea, spideyboy

I! It would make sense out of this mess and please most.