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SO….tv spots are droppin left and right! Time to start going dark soon. These next 7 days are gonna be wild y’all.
I had someone tell me this aswell. It was weird. The reason I don’t like the Webb films was cause of “ nostalgia googles” uhhh no. I was excited for Spider-Man reboot and even defended it I just think I they are bad films and Tobey had more emotion and better fight scenes . I’m tired of that excuse. People tend to forget that Spider-Man was in such a bad place when those movies were out. Gotg was doing better than him.I hope you're not trying to insinuate that people only like the Raimi movies because of nostalgia. People always try to use the nostalgia excuse, but fail to acknowledge that maybe people actually thought they were good movies. The Raimi films were iconic, and before S-M3 released, Raimi in particular was considered top dog of the genre. It baffles me how people just can't accept the legacy of those movies. Nobody is saying others can't like TASM movies more or the MCU flicks more, I mean opinions are opinions, but quality is also quality.
Agreed. I remember walking out of the theater after TASM1 and just feeling nothing and forgetting about it. It's kinda tragic because it's Spider-Man and yet was pretty much demolished by the quality of The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises that summer. After I saw TASM2, I remember being particularly effected by how cringe Green Goblin was. I'd take Dafoes S-M1 outfit any day over what we got in that movie.I had someone tell me this aswell. It was weird. The reason I don’t like the Webb films was cause of “ nostalgia googles” uhhh no. I was excited for Spider-Man reboot and even defended it I just think I they are bad films and Tobey had more emotion and better fight scenes . I’m tired of that excuse. People tend to forget that Spider-Man was in such a bad place when those movies were out. Gotg was doing better than him.
Mark Webbs movies have plenty of heart. There is so much personality to those movies. Even if they ain't perfect.
Raimi has a more colorful vision. but limited personality IMO. I mean if you can't acknowledge how unlikable or *****y MJ is (for example) as a character, and yet its written as if thats the sorta character the audience will feel for. Then the visuals are just very good at covering it all.
But this is an old subject altogether.
Yea I felt empty to. It tried to be dark like the Batman films then the second one tried to be the mcu. It didn’t know what it wanted to be and that’s why it felt like such a blantant corporate movie franchise that ticked boxes. It wasn’t interested in telling a story.Agreed. I remember walking out of the theater after TASM1 and just feeling nothing and forgetting about it. It's kinda tragic because it's Spider-Man and yet was pretty much demolished by the quality of The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises that summer. After I saw TASM2, I remember being particularly effected by how cringe Green Goblin was. I'd take Dafoes S-M1 outfit any day over what we got in that movie.
Gwens death scene was great though as was her scenes with Peter. That's the best things about those movies, if you ask me. Garfield and Stone were really good together.
Agreed. I remember walking out of the theater after TASM1 and just feeling nothing and forgetting about it. It's kinda tragic because it's Spider-Man and yet was pretty much demolished by the quality of The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises that summer. After I saw TASM2, I remember being particularly effected by how cringe Green Goblin was. I'd take Dafoes S-M1 outfit any day over what we got in that movie.
Gwens death scene was great though as was her scenes with Peter. That's the best things about those movies, if you ask me. Garfield and Stone were really good together.
Yeah, I don't really get at all what they were going for with the Michelle/MJ stuff. Zendaya is a great actress, but I literally don't care about her character or relationship at all. She could've been written soooo much better.They just had natural chemistry. Not forced. It just seemed easy for them. With Tom and Zendaya it just seems so fabricated at times and it’s hard to get emotionally invested in it. It’s not there fault in particular. It’s how the studio and writing team has handled/developed their relationship. As a fan I just haven’t become invested in their journey or the character of MJ any Zendaya.
Like let’s say Spidey has an off day at the office and he’s not on his game. Let’s say he doesn’t reach Zendaya in time while she’s falling…are we really gonna care?
Couldn't have said it better! You worded it perfectly.Spider-Man and Iron Man: Homecoming
Spider-Man and Nick Fury: Far From Home
Spider-Man and Doctor Strange: No Way Home
Part of the reason why the Home Trilogy hasn't been on the same level of Spider-Man 2 is because Spider-Man has never been the main focus of his own stories, there's always someone there that takes away a bit of his movie. They are Marvel Movies, not Spider-Man movies. The Raimi films always were about Peter Parker and his struggles. These movies are not, I mean Homecoming maybe is but there's so much stuff going on around that the focus is lost. Any dramatic event that comes, it quickly evaporates until the next thing comes. I mean, he fought Thanos, he was in space, he DIED, and then everything is like completely normal again? Are you telling me Infinity War and Endgame didn't have any effect on him? They are missing so much potential for character moments.
Which is why I really hope the next trilogy changes that. As much as I like crossovers, I think is time to get back to smaller, character driven stories. Too much spectacle becomes noise.
Im not sure if it’s how MJ was written as much as it was Kirsten Dunst. She just wasn’t the right person for the role. The writing of the character while it definitely had issues was only dragged down further by Dunst. Also doesn’t help that she was constantly whining about these movies leading up to their release….Just made her all the more unlikable. You slide a different actress in there with the same characterization and maybe it’s a different story regarding our view of the Raimi MJ.
Yeah, I don't really get at all what they were going for with the Michelle/MJ stuff. Zendaya is a great actress, but I literally don't care about her character or relationship at all. She could've been written soooo much better.
One of the main problems was they essentially made MJ the same as Peter. Both loners, nerd, awkward outcast in a sense. It just doesn’t work and for that matter they should have just used Zendaya as a completely different character instead of going the mj route.
One of the reasons that fundamentally Peter/MJ work and are so immensely popular is because they are essentially complete opposites.
*comes back to five pages of endless repetitive complaining from the usual moots*
Think I'm gonna have to update my ignore list, some of you guys really don't get tired of regurgitating the same tired criticisms over and over again. We get it, Jesus effing Christ.
People often say that MJ was boring/bad in Raimi's films and I think that she was awesome as a character, we knew everything about her and her relationship with Peter was great, because they both supported each other, MJ wanted to make Peter more open and confident, and Peter wanted to make MJ to believe in herself.
Holland and Zendaya have chemistry and that's it, there's no story there. Like at all.