No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home General News & Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[RaimiWebSpidey]

Tom Holland showing great taste

 

[PBisawsem2B]

What kind of foolish logic is that? Because he had to do the symbiote storyline the only way to do it was to give Peter an emo look and dance like an idiot?

That's an excellent 2+2=5 reasoning you've come up with there.

...I was going more for the idea that Sony was forcing Raimi to do this and that and he lost passion for the project. Hence the random messy stuff that went into it.

 

[PBisawsem2B]

Webb might have some bad ideas, but everybody have good and bad ideas, it doesn't make anyone, either Raimi or Webb a bad director.

From what I know, most people don't like Sandman/Uncle Ben thing from Spider-Man 3, IT WAS RAIMI'S IDEA!!! and yet... I love it.

I personally don't like Uncle Ben's killer being Sandman because it's too convenient of a coincidence.

 

[The Joker]

...I was going more for the idea that Sony was forcing Raimi to do this and that and he lost passion for the project. Hence the random messy stuff that went into it.

That was no excuse to make a half assed job of it. I say that as a huge Raimi fan but he made SM-3 worse than it needed to be even with all the stuff Sony lumbered him with that he didn't want to do. He could still have made a better of job of using it than he did.

But again he has two excellent Spider-Man movies under his belt so he retains the goodwill from the fans because we've seen he can do greatness. Not seen that from Webb so his input is worthless to me.

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

I personally don't like Uncle Ben's killer being Sandman because it's too convenient of a coincidence.

I like it, because it's not just retcon for the sake of the retcon or "shock", it's actually important for the story of both characters in so many ways.

It doesn't take anything from the original movie, because the blonde guy is still responsible for Ben's death, but it add so many layers. Peter for this whole time though that it was his fault, than he start to blame Sandman onl to realise that nothing is so black&white as he thought, he can forgive him, and himself. I love it.

 

[PBisawsem2B]

That was no excuse to make a half assed job of it. I say that as a huge Raimi fan but he made SM-3 worse than it needed to be even with all the stuff Sony lumbered him with that he didn't want to do.

But again he has two excellent Spider-Man movies under his belt so he retains the goodwill from the fans because we've seen he can do greatness. Not seen that from Webb so his input is worthless to me.

I personally think the two Webb films are great. To each their own.

 

[PBisawsem2B]

Credit: unsure but posted on CBR's YouTube

 

[CaptainWagner]

Tom Holland showing great taste

It's so weird hearing him talk about being a teen when TASM came out. Quite the trip remembering that the newest big stars in Hollywood are the same age as you.

 

[The Joker]

I personally think the two Webb films are great. To each their own.

I think they're awful, especially the second one. Even Sony themselves had no faith in them as we saw from those leaked Sony emails. My goodness were they quite revealing. I actually quite enjoyed seeing how little Sony thought of them and were yearning to try to get back to what Raimi did.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Listen I think we know what this movie is going to be. All jokes aside if you liked the first two you will like this one and if you didn’t you most likely won’t. I think it’s safe to say that for the most part the notorious MCU “haters” like myself all know what we are getting. We are on this train for the nostalgia. That’s what’s stringing us along here. We just want to see these characters back one last time. Trust me, I know I’m going to have issues with some of the choices when handling the returning characters as well no doubt about it.

This is the MCU sandbox, their world and unfortunately the returning characters are going to be handcuffed and subjected to the MCU treatment. That being said, can’t help but still be irrationally excited to see them even if I have to sit through a ton of painfully cringe type dialogue and moments in the process. Got to get through hell to make it to heaven. I’m just hoping heaven is as pretty as advertised cause I’ve waited a long time to see them.

 

[Another_Fool]

I like it, because it's not just retcon for the sake of the retcon or "shock", it's actually important for the story of both characters in so many ways.

It doesn't take anything from the original movie, because the blonde guy is still responsible for Ben's death, but it add so many layers. Peter for this whole time though that it was his fault, than he start to blame Sandman onl to realise that nothing is so black&white as he thought, he can forgive him, and himself. I love it.

It didn't really make the burglar responsible for me. It's not like he told Flint to kill Ben. Ultimately Flint pointed the gun and was the one who "accidentally" killed Ben.

I get what they were trying to do with the theme of the film and I'm glad you got something out of it. For me I couldn't get past that change.

 

[PBisawsem2B]

It didn't really make the burglar responsible for me. It's not like he told Flint to kill Ben. Ultimately Flint pointed the gun and was the one who "accidentally" killed Ben.

I get what they were trying to do with the theme of the film and I'm glad you got something out of it. For me I couldn't get past that change.

I think Flint accidentally pulled the trigger when he saw Dennis running out which caused him to be shocked or something. So it was still the burglar's fault in a way and totally Peter's fault.

 

[RaimiWebSpidey]

Over under 5 people tweeting three spider emojis in their social media reactions after the premiere tonight?

 

[Atiba]

Webb might have some bad ideas, but everybody have good and bad ideas, it doesn't make anyone, either Raimi or Webb a bad director.

From what I know, most people don't like Sandman/Uncle Ben thing from Spider-Man 3, IT WAS RAIMI'S IDEA!!! and yet... I like it.

PS. I LOVE EMO DANCE PETER. I LOVE THIS WHOLE SEQUENCE. This is brillant, this is this nerdy Peter who never had a chance to be "cool", So now under influence of Venom he is acting as if he was "cool" and it's hilarious. This music, this editing, jokes... I mean... LOOK AT THIS GIRL IN THE THUMBNAIL xD This is self-aware clever joke, not some forced unfunny quips.

This clip is GOLD because we ALL KNOW Tobeys Peter is not cut like this fr lol thats what makes it funny lol never in a million would that be peter parker lol idk why so many hate it like its a serious scene or something

 

[marvelboy10]

Listen I think we know what this movie is going to be. All jokes aside if you liked the first two you will like this one and if you didn’t you most likely won’t. I think it’s safe to say that for the most part the notorious MCU “haters” like myself all know what we are getting. We are on this train for the nostalgia. That’s what’s stringing us along here. We just want to see these characters back one last time. Trust me, I know I’m going to have issues with some of the choices when handling the returning characters as well no doubt about it.

This is the MCU sandbox, their world and unfortunately the returning characters are going to be handcuffed and subjected to the MCU treatment. That being said, can’t help but still be irrationally excited to see them even if I have to sit through a ton of painfully cringe type dialogue and moments in the process. Got to get through hell to make it to heaven. I’m just hoping heaven is as pretty as advertised cause I’ve waited a long time to see them.

Well... I'm a big fan of the original trilogy and i hate homecoming and far from home. But i absolutly don't think it no way home will be the same level.

I think you can expect infinity war/endgame quality for this film. It's not really art like Raimi movies for example but it's going to be a cool ride, with emotion, fun and sadness, with some tribute to past iteration. Jon Watts have a better material to work with.

Yeah there will be jokes, it's a mcu movie after all but it seems darker from what we saw (and what we heard from the script chinese leak). Peter will really suffer in this one and will learn what it really means to be spider-man. First we will adress the consequence of the reveal of his secret identity

Also like you say, the movie will also focus on character like green goblin, doc ock. The supporting cast from the high school won't be there a lot. And don't forget tobey and andrew.

Yeah, zendeya and ned will be also there but it's ok. Aunt may will have more to do this time and guess she will be also very supporting to peter.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

This clip is GOLD because we ALL KNOW Tobeys Peter is not cut like this fr lol thats what makes it funny lol never in a million would that be peter parker lol idk why so many hate it like its a serious scene or something

This is precisely why I have a problem with it honestly, it's so far out there that you can't take it seriously, even though he actually does do some bad things with consequences, stuff like that scene ultimately makes a joke of the storyline. The black suit and its effect on Peter is not something the audience should be laughing at.

 

[GuestStar2004]

This clip is GOLD because we ALL KNOW Tobeys Peter is not cut like this fr lol thats what makes it funny lol never in a million would that be peter parker lol idk why so many hate it like its a serious scene or something

Probably because this isn't the direction they thought of when you think of the black suit story. Basically, its a redo of the Raindrops keep falling on my head TV advert from SM2.

People say its in character that he would be a bad at being cool. But what i want to know is, why do alot of the women in the movie find it attractive? I seen people bring this up before but there are shots of women that are repulsed. Which would suggest he isn't good at being cool. But then there are more shots of women who seem impressed and want to jump him. Its weird. And i don't think the idea is meant to be that confidence is sexy. I think we are meant to think that peter is suddenly cool.

Its like Peter being cool is him liking Jazz. Which is a very old-fashioned view of cool. I often wonder whether it was intentional that peter looked embarrassing or whether Raimi thought that this was infact how to be cool.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think a lot of people get that you're not supposed to take the dance scene seriously. And I think for a lot of people, that's the problem. Peter had just seemingly murdered Flint and, at the very least, knowingly disfigured his best friend on purpose (assuming he didn't think he'd killed Harry too). After all that, we get this sorta wink-and-nudge sequence where he's acting like a complete goofball. It just kills the momentum and stops the movie in its tracks.

I think if Raimi had started with that sequence and built up to Peter "killing" Sandman, mutilating Harry, and then attacking MJ then he wouldn't have lost the audience. It would've been a huge gut punch for the audience in terms of it feeling like a true descent into villainy.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I think a lot of people get that you're not supposed to take the dance scene seriously. And I think for a lot of people, that's the problem. Peter had just seemingly murdered Flint and, at the very least, knowingly disfigured his best friend on purpose (assuming he didn't think he'd killed Harry too). After all that, we get this sorta wink-and-nudge sequence where he's acting like a complete goofball. It just kills the momentum and stops the movie in its tracks.

I think if Raimi had started with that sequence and built up to Peter "killing" Sandman, mutilating Harry, and then attacking MJ then he wouldn't have lost the audience. It would've been a huge gut punch for the audience in terms of it feeling like a true descent into villainy.

It also probably would have helped to introduce the black suit a lot earlier, and not do the weird emo look at all, just have him look increasingly disheveled.

 

[kguillou]

Guys, just wanted to pop in here real quick, because after tonight i am most def going dark until i see this Thursday. This whole journey has honestly been some of the most fun and engaging I've had posting on this site. Not QUITE as crazy as, say, the lead up to BvS (for me at least) but It has been a HELL of a ride.

I think I speak for most of us here when i say after FFH I had such an apathetic "whatever" attitude to these Tom Holland movies and really couldn't care what they did with the third movie. And then as soon as Alfred Molina was cast a year ago my interest for this popped up 10000% and made me realize that they're doing something crazy with this movie. And then all of the online scoopers started swearing that Tobey and Andrew were in this and the light bulb went off that this might actually be one of the most brilliant CBM movie ideas ever. To bring together several generations and iterations of a character on screen to team up. Days of Future Past PLAYED with that idea a little and everyone loved that movie so seeing three different Spider-men teamed up made my hype skyrocket to Spider-man 3/ Avengers/BvS levels.

So anyway y'all its been an incredible ride and I'm gonna miss the lead up a little. But just like with Endgame where I was SURE there was no way such an ambitious concept could be topped...here we are. And i have NO idea what could come next after this.

 

[LoganPool]

Guys, just wanted to pop in here real quick, because after tonight i am most def going dark until i see this Thursday. This whole journey has honestly been some of the most fun and engaging I've had posting on this site. Not QUITE as crazy as, say, the lead up to BvS (for me at least) but It has been a HELL of a ride.

I think I speak for most of us here when i say after FFH I had such an apathetic "whatever" attitude to these Tom Holland movies and really couldn't care what they did with the third movie. And then as soon as Alfred Molina was cast a year ago my interest for this popped up 10000% and made me realize that they're doing something crazy with this movie. And then all of the online scoopers started swearing that Tobey and Andrew were in this and the light bulb went off that this might actually be one of the most brilliant CBM movie ideas ever. To bring together several generations and iterations of a character on screen to team up. Days of Future Past PLAYED with that idea a little and everyone loved that movie so seeing three different Spider-men teamed up made my hype skyrocket to Spider-man 3/ Avengers/BvS levels.

So anyway y'all its been an incredible ride and I'm gonna miss the lead up a little. But just like with Endgame where I was SURE there was no way such an ambitious concept could be topped...here we are. And i have NO idea what could come next after this.

 

[Venom 1988]

So the red carpet premier is really only on Tik Tok?

 

[Raimi Suit]

Another thing about the Raimi films that NO ONE talks about is that 12 and I think even 3 was shot using film instead of digital

Digital modern Marvel movies look washed out and sometimes fake while film looks life like and more detailed.

 

[sdgrandia86]

Totally forgot that XMen DOFP brought two generations of XMen in Magneto and Profesor X!

Imagine if in a few years we can get something akin to the recent Secret Wars, Battle world, and different iterations of old and returning characters. Things seem to be heading that way.

 

[sdgrandia86]

Another trailer/spot. Goblin voice sounds so menacing. Electro has spoken lines.