Comics Spider-Man's Future (according to Marvel)

[Meehaul]

This is worth its own thread: the spidey brain-trust discusses the future of ASM: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21667 and http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090620-heroes-spidey-gauntlet.html

Includes the return of MJ, the Black Cat, Doc Ock, the Chameleon, Deadpool, and Ben Reilly--yup, the clone saga returns to continuity.

 

[The Joker]

Where does it say the Clone Saga is returning to continuity?

According to Defalco and Mackie it's not. They said so here: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/060918-Clone-Saga.html

The Gauntlet storyline looks cool. Electro, Mysterio, Rhino, Lizard.....hooray more classic villains returning to ASM.

 

[Meehaul]

Just being provacative--the clone saga has ALWAYS been part of continuity. After the panel, Wacker said Ben or another Parker clone will make an important appearance. The "new" mini-series that "re-imagines" the clone saga is not, however.

 

[Infidel]

So, basically another 3 issues a month of nothing happening? Great. More promises of 'stuff happening'. Yeah, liked the Unmasking and the big stories that were going to happen after that. I feel sorry for the 20 slubs they hired to write this poor excuse for a comic book. I could of worked if they had had hired these guys instead of letting Stracynski do more magical Spider-man stuff leading into gimmick after gimmick of stuff that had no pay off. Terrible.

Here's your spoiler!

Spoiler

NOTHING IS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN EVER AGAIN!

 

[Blader5489]

The "new" mini-series that "re-imagines" the clone saga is not, however.

I don't see why it shouldn't, though.

Does anyone have any kind of attachment to the Clone Saga as it is? If they could trim out all the crap that nobody remembers or cares about, and keep the story focused on what it was originally about, then I don't see why this retelling shouldn't be in continuity. Seems kind of pointless for it not to be.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

The Gauntlet looks and sounds awesome! I can see it looks to be drawn by the great Adi Granov.

 

[Themanofbat]

So, basically another 3 issues a month of nothing happening? Great. More promises of 'stuff happening'. Yeah, liked the Unmasking and the big stories that were going to happen after that. I feel sorry for the 20 slubs they hired to write this poor excuse for a comic book. I could of worked if they had had hired these guys instead of letting Stracynski do more magical Spider-man stuff leading into gimmick after gimmick of stuff that had no pay off. Terrible.

Here's your spoiler!

Spoiler

NOTHING IS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN EVER AGAIN!

Wow.... somebody needs their mommy...

 

[Donald Thomas]

Wow.... somebody needs their mommy...

Aloha,
MORE FIBER.
Spidey rules

 

[Styles]

Wow.... somebody needs their mommy...

Probably the funniest comment I've seen thus far.

 

[farmernudie]

I find it interesting that the interviews words it as "the original timeline" and the "new timeline.".....because that's what I've been saying all along,..it is impossible for this Peter to share the same history as the old one, since it has been altered.

Otherwise, i am maybe slightly curious to see what they officially say MJ remembers or doesn't about the devil deal....and how makes this mess deeper....

Hmn.

 

[Blader5489]

I find it interesting that the interviews words it as "the original timeline" and the "new timeline.".....because that's what I've been saying all along,..it is impossible for this Peter to share the same history as the old one, since it has been altered.

That's how the CBR writer was wording it.

 

[Themanofbat]

There's a few more good interviews at newsarama.com

 

[SpideyStu2]

Compared to what's been done with One More Day and Brand New Day, the Clone Saga should have gotten some writing achievement award. Yeah, its a mess and they'll be the first ones to admit that they were "winging it" while Marvel was writing it but it's not that bad that it needs to be left in a corner and considered taboo.

I think more exciting than the Clone Saga re-emerging is the fact that MJ finally is going to return, hopefully to stay which should put Peter somewhat close to what he was before Joe Q. and Mephisto crapped on Amazing Spider-Man.

 

[Themanofbat]

I think more exciting than the Clone Saga re-emerging is the fact that MJ finally is going to return, hopefully to stay which should put Peter somewhat close to what he was before Joe Q. and Mephisto crapped on Amazing Spider-Man.

Because you know what's best for Spider-Man... LAWL!!!!

 

[imdaly]

Reading the comments on here and across the internet, I have to say that I find it very ironic that so many people are people who quit ASM because of OMD/BND and are for the first time considering coming back now because Clone-Saga-related stories and characters are coming back to the book.

The storyline that so many people quit Spider-Man for is the storyline that so many people are going to use as a reason to come back.

Interesting...

 

[Dragon]

Reading the comments on here and across the internet, I have to say that I find it very ironic that so many people are people who quit ASM because of OMD/BND and are for the first time considering coming back now because Clone-Saga-related stories and characters are coming back to the book.

The storyline that so many people quit Spider-Man for is the storyline that so many people are going to use as a reason to come back.

Interesting...

I don't think folks so much quit Spidey because of the Clone-Saga, as due to its ending, replacing Peter with Ben. If the Clone-Saga ended with Pete still Spidey, I think folks would have looked at it as merely a storyline that ran too long and got pretty bad, but they'd have moved on from it.

As far as this new storyline, while it sounds interesting, I'm stiull not convinced these guys can pull it off well. The evdience to me that they're still on the wrong track is the fact that even this has to be turned into another Event, despite the fact that as Wacker says, the motivations of the villains are unconnected. Why can't Marvel simply produce good stories rather than having to make them into a big To-Do?

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

The storyline that so many people quit Spider-Man for is the storyline that so many people are going to use as a reason to come back.

Yeah right, you're generalizing mate. Who are these 'many people'? Even if you can point to specific circumstances it's wrong to group people together as a single entity that contradicts itself. Because any group is made up of individuals with their own opinions and actions, so to assume any group must all act like a hive mind, is bloody ridiculous. I see these sort of statements of contradictory fans all the time on the net, and it's damn well silly. If you're gonna make a statement like that, back it up, bro.

 

[Themanofbat]

The evdience to me that they're still on the wrong track is the fact that even this has to be turned into another Event, despite the fact that as Wacker says, the motivations of the villains are unconnected. Why can't Marvel simply produce good stories rather than having to make them into a big To-Do?

An "event"???

It's a 2 part story about a character that is about one of the most arguably controversial characters in Spidey-lore... I'd hardly call it an "event"... it's a story.

In my opinion, the villain of the piece will be someone that Ben Reilly pissed off years ago, and finds him (in the form of our Peter Parker), which will spurr on memories of the Clone Saga...

That's a good story, and certainly not an "event".

The fans will be talking about it... but it's not an "event".

Sheesh....

 

[JerseyJoker]

So great to see so many old faces coming back.

It was actually one of the best things about BND, was that with the addition of so many new faces and putting the old, trust worthy bad guys and supporting characters on the back burner for a while, it made it so there return would mean something.

Sometimes we see a character so much, that it almost loses their lure, but i cant ****IN wait for Black Cat's return, seeing Deadpool, old foes and interesting twists and turns for storyliens like the Clone Saga/Ben Reily and The Gauntlet.

 

[JerseyJoker]

I just want to also say, this is an AWESOME time to be involved with Spidey comics.

THere was a back and forth struggle when OMD/BND happened, but these writers have gotten into a comfortable groove and you can see it in the pages. Art and story have been fun and interesting and just this...all the peeks to what will be coming, i can not say there was one thing from 600 on to The Gauntlet that i dont find down right interesting or dying to find out about.

 

[imdaly]

Yeah right, you're generalizing mate. Who are these 'many people'? Even if you can point to specific circumstances it's wrong to group people together as a single entity that contradicts itself. Because any group is made up of individuals with their own opinions and actions, so to assume any group must all act like a hive mind, is bloody ridiculous. I see these sort of statements of contradictory fans all the time on the net, and it's damn well silly. If you're gonna make a statement like that, back it up, bro.

Wait, what??

Where exactly did I generalize?? Nowhere in my post did I say "everyone" or "all of the people". I said "so many", which means I was refering to those people who I see online that have said "What? They're bringing up the clone saga?? That's it, I'm back on board!" I'm in no way saying EVERYONE who's dropped ASM because of OMD/BND are saying that. I'm saying that I've just noticed a lot of comments online from various people saying this, which to me, is surprising because so many people actually had quit Spider-Man because of the Clone Saga 15 years ago, and it's been and it's been treated as such a horrible stain in Spidey's history since then that, aside from one or two quick references in the past 15 years, Marvel's pretended like those 2 years of comics never happened!

So yes, I just find it ironic that a storyline that's been avoided like the plague for the past 15 years due to bad fan reaction is finally being referenced again, and because of this I see a lot of people online that have quit ASM because of OMD/BND are actually coming back.


Again...where am I making generalized statements?? Heck, I never even said "most" of any group!

 

[Dragon]

An "event"???

It's a 2 part story about a character that is about one of the most arguably controversial characters in Spidey-lore... I'd hardly call it an "event"... it's a story.

In my opinion, the villain of the piece will be someone that Ben Reilly pissed off years ago, and finds him (in the form of our Peter Parker), which will spurr on memories of the Clone Saga...

That's a good story, and certainly not an "event".

The fans will be talking about it... but it's not an "event".

Sheesh....

Uh... I wasn't referring to the Clone-Saga retcon as the "event". I was talking about "The Gauntlet", which would encompass 12 issues, not to mention that the very title of the comic book is being changed. I'd classify that as an "event".

 

[Themanofbat]

Uh... I wasn't referring to the Clone-Saga retcon as the "event". I was talking about "The Gauntlet", which would encompass 12 issues, not to mention that the very title of the comic book is being changed. I'd classify that as an "event".

My mistake... though you were just talking about Ben Reilly and the Clone Saga in your above paragraph, so you can see how easy it was for me to "assume" that you were talking about the "Who is Ben Reilly?" story as opposed to "The Gaunlet"... though I didn't think that was going to be 12 issues...

And I didn't see anything about a "title change"... link please.

 

[imdaly]

My mistake... though you were just talking about Ben Reilly and the Clone Saga in your above paragraph, so you can see how easy it was for me to "assume" that you were talking about the "Who is Ben Reilly?" story as opposed to "The Gaunlet"... though I didn't think that was going to be 12 issues...

And I didn't see anything about a "title change"... link please.

There's no title change. There's just going to be a few months with a "The Gauntlet" banner on the cover of ASM much like "Dark Reign" is on the titles now. It's not that the villains motivations are related or anything, but that it's just supposed to be a really long, difficult period for Spidey. I see nothing wrong with throwing the banner on there.

 

[farmernudie]

BND itself has a been a really long difficult period for Spidey, imo.

Bringing back the Clone Saga on top of things...is perplexing too, considering that even Marvel itself considers it soemthing that drove hordes away from collecting. And that BND is the next devisive thing since...so now they're teaming the two up?? During bad economic times?
Going for broke?