Spidey, F4, and X-Men replaced in MCU?

[regnak]

Right. Black Bolt and the Inhumans are way closer to Namor and the Atlanteans than they are to the X-Men.

Inhumans are like mutants in one way story wise. They provide a source of super powered heroes/villains who don't require writers to think up an origin story for each one of them.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah, but that's very much a 60s X-Men very few pay attention to anymore.

To me, X-Men are more about being hidden in society. Inhumans are either on their own or fish out of water in society.

 

[The Question]

Inhumans are like mutants in one way story wise. They provide a source of super powered heroes/villains who don't require writers to think up an origin story for each one of them.

Except that Inhumans don't just randomly pop up around the world. They all come from one place and get their abilities from one strictly controlled source. It's hardly comparable.

 

[regnak]

Except that Inhumans don't just randomly pop up around the world. They all come from one place and get their abilities from one strictly controlled source. It's hardly comparable.

Doesn't matter, need a couple new super powered henchmen, renegade Inhumans. It's a resource for the MCU writers.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well, they aren't making up characters, they're drawing from the source material. Agents of SHIELD just needed a new superpowered henchman and they used the Absorbing Man - no Inhumans required.

 

[Shikamaru]

It seems to me that Marvel have decided to write off their characters being held (hostage?) by other studios: Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, and the X-Men. Why do I say this? Because they are actively trying to "replace" them in the MCU with similar characters. Take a look.

Spider-Man: A quirky, superhero with bug based powers. MCU's answer: Ant-Man

Fantastic Four: A dysfunctional family/team of cosmic traveling superheroes. MCU's answer: Guardians of the Galaxy

X-Men: A group of genetically unique and incredible individuals hidden within the population. MCU's answer: The Inhumans

I think this strategy is brilliant on Marvel's part. It's clear that Fox and Sony won't let the rights revert so it's time to move on without them. What better way than to make these characters unnecessary and/or redundant in the MCU. Besides Marvel excels at introducing new characters to the audiences. So the lack of "character star power" is not an issue here.

So far they've rocked it with GOTG and they are seemingly building an impressive Ant-Man. We'll see when they announce The Inhumans. Thoughts?

"Replaced" has different meanings depending on context, but these characters definitely aren't being replaced in the sense they'd come off as redundant.

First of all, Ant-Man is the last of their current franchises to be the replacement for anything. It was originally Wright's pet project, greenlit because Marvel and Wright wanted to work together, which now they're trying to salvage as much as possible due to the whole Wright fiasco backfiring on them.

Guardians was definitely an FF replacement in the sense Marvel's using it to expand their cosmic part of the universe, but the Guardians themselves are nothing like the FF nor do they fully replace that void. The MCU still lacks a Reed Richards, dictator archetype through Doom/Latveria, and the Negative Zone. Also Silver Surfer/Galactus, who are attached to them, but that goes without saying.

The Inhumans and X-Men are a bit more debatable, we'll have to wait and see what they do, but Feige confirmed the twins won't be Inhumans, thus "miracle" won't automatically equate to Inhuman.

 

[Dasher10]

I disagree.

Spider-Man's closest counterpart is Daredevil who's completely different in tone.

The Fantastic Four have a family dynamic to them. Odds are, Inhumans will replace them but the Inhumans are different enough to stand on their own.

The Avengers if anything are standing in for the X-Men yet both properties are different.

If any of the three properties leased were to return, Marvel wouldn't run into redundancy. And we're completely forgetting about the Eternals.

 

[GoblinScrier]

But but Doom the MCU NEEDS Doom Thanos will be done im sure after Avengers 3 and i bet Doom would fill that global/universal threat just nicely...further someone on another post said it but thanos would probably had been saved and Doom would have kicked off MCU massive threat

 

[Aztec]

Do they make Guardians if they have Fantastic Four? Unlikely.
Do they make Ant-Man if they have Spider-Man? Unlikely.
Do they introduce the "Miracle" storyline and/or The Inhumans (remember we don't know if they are officially making that film yet) if they have the X-Men? Unlikely.

Hence these are all replacements to fill the ROLES (not specific characters but ROLES) left void by these missing "main event" level characters.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Once again, what does Ant-Man have to do with Spider-Man? Seriously, is your only point that they're both tiny multi-legged creatures (I can't even say insects since one is an arachnid)?

Do they make Ant-Man if they have Spider-Man - very likely since they made Ant-Man for one (now very ironic) reason: Edgar Wright wanted to make an Ant-Man movie. Did he have some interest in Spider-Man instead?

There is no "miracle" storyline. All they have is the Maximoff twins. Do they call them Mutants instead of miracles? Maybe, but I would argue the line was intended to be poetic not literal so I suspect they'd keep it the same way. Would they have the Inhumans if they had the X-Men? That's a tougher question but, as you said, we don't know if they are officially making a film yet.

The Fantastic Four couldn't have done the role the Guardians did. I could see the Silver Surfer instead, though.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Once again, what does Ant-Man have to do with Spider-Man? Seriously, is your only point that they're both tiny multi-legged creatures (I can't even say insects since one is an arachnid)?

You can use arthropod.

Do they make Ant-Man if they have Spider-Man - very likely since they made Ant-Man for one (now very ironic) reason: Edgar Wright wanted to make an Ant-Man movie. Did he have some interest in Spider-Man instead?

Right. Ant-Man wouldn't exist if not for Wright. It had nothing to do with not having the Spider-Man rights.

The Fantastic Four couldn't have done the role the Guardians did. I could see the Silver Surfer instead, though.

Also right. The Fantastic Four are a connecting point between Earth-based heroes and the cosmic realm. The Guardians are purely cosmic characters. They don't fill the same role. Fantastic Four fill the same role as a character like Carol Danvers. As you say, Silver Surfer is more in the same realm as Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[Mike Murdock]

You can use arthropod.

Ah right. Thanks. But seriously, can someone think of any connection between Spider-Man and Ant-Man besides both ants and spiders being arthropods?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Ah right. Thanks. But seriously, can someone think of any connection between Spider-Man and Ant-Man besides both ants and spiders being arthropods?

They both have money problems? There really isn't much connecting Peter Parker and Scott Lang.

 

[Gr0oT]

I think the point everyone is missing is not that these properties are replacing the mentioned competition but rather will be executed more competently.
Everyone has a negative opinion of the Ant-Man movie but I'm willing to bet it is better than anything Webb has done with Spider-Man and if the marketing is as smart as it was for GotG it will do better as well.
Whereas Fox has been inconsistent with the X-Franchise I know that Marvel Studios will produce something consistently good and will succeed in making audiences care for a wider range of Inhumans in one movie than Fox has been able to in terms of mutants after 7 movies. Really, who cares about movie Storm, Cyclops, Collosus , or 90% of the introduced mutants so far?
Needless to say that the Fantastic Flop wont compare to Guardians.
So the point is that Marvel Studios will do better with slightly similar unknown properties than the other studios can with their top characters.
We already knew that and I'm glad they aren't substituting the stories of these d listers to match what they are missing.
They won't make Warlock come from a surrogate Zen-La that he sacrifices himself for and becomes the slave of a Celestial, we've all seen the caccoon twice, its burst and Warlock has his own interesting story as do the Celestials without needing to be derivative.

 

[Mike Murdock]

That wasn't the point, though. The point is that they are being used as substitutes.

 

[Gr0oT]

I know that was the initial point but seems to me that fellow hypesters have already pointed out that as being wrong for various reasons on all counts.

 

[Iceman]

I don't think these substitutes are that similar (sorry ). They each bring their own thing to the universe but don't replace what the others could bring. The Fantastic Four would be done differently so don't think of what you've seen in the previous films. I think they'd eventually grow to be an integral part of the universe if Marvel had them. Spidey would be given a rest and probably shouldn't get a solo for a fair while and just pop up in places. He could still be the superstar of the MCU. X-Men on the other hand is after a lot of trouble doing fine at the moment independently but I think Marvel would be able to do them differently and fit them in somehow.

 

[therealhitman]

Except that Inhumans ... get their abilities from one strictly controlled source. It's hardly comparable.

Like birth? Or genetics?

 

[therealhitman]

Actually a better analogy is puberty. Hormones are the mutant Terragin Mist!

 

[Iceman]

Do they make Guardians if they have Fantastic Four? Unlikely.
Do they make Ant-Man if they have Spider-Man? Unlikely.
Do they introduce the "Miracle" storyline and/or The Inhumans (remember we don't know if they are officially making that film yet) if they have the X-Men? Unlikely.

Hence these are all replacements to fill the ROLES (not specific characters but ROLES) left void by these missing "main event" level characters.

Even if that were true it doesn't imply causality at all. Without their big guns they have more space so they can make Dr Strange too which might not have been possible otherwise. Is he then Marvel's Spider-man replacement or just another character they have room for like Ant Man? Guardians and Ant Man don't fulfil Spider-man and the F4's role in the universe and the F4's omission in particular is as glaring as ever, not that the MCU isn't awesome without the properties it's missing.

 

[Aztec]

I'd like to correct my own thread!

If recent rumors are to be believed than Marvel has decided how to fill their Spider-Man and X-Men holes.

It appears that Marvel wants to fill the Spider-Man vacancy with...well...Spider-Man. I suppose that is the most direct route, lol.

As to the X-Men the rumored Civil War storyline has provided the answer. As Baron von Strucker says "It is the Age of Miracles". Since "Miracles" appears to be how the MCU will refer to superheroes, and since it appears that a "Miracle Registration Act" could play a role in a Civil War storyline, then it seems clear to me that Marvel is using the whole "mutant angle" and applying it to its own heroes. So we are getting the outcast super powered heroes, hunted by the government, and fighting amongst each other to best continue their existence. Interesting, IMHO.

I still maintain that the Guardians are their FF surrogates.

 

[Lilbaz]

I'd like to correct my own thread!

If recent rumors are to be believed than Marvel has decided how to fill their Spider-Man and X-Men holes.

It appears that Marvel wants to fill the Spider-Man vacancy with...well...Spider-Man. I suppose that is the most direct route, lol.

As to the X-Men the rumored Civil War storyline has provided the answer. As Baron von Strucker says "It is the Age of Miracles". Since "Miracles" appears to be how the MCU will refer to superheroes, and since it appears that a "Miracle Registration Act" could play a role in a Civil War storyline, then it seems clear to me that Marvel is using the whole "mutant angle" and applying it to its own heroes. So we are getting the outcast super powered heroes, hunted by the government, and fighting amongst each other to best continue their existence. Interesting, IMHO.

I still maintain that the Guardians are their FF surrogates.

In AOS they refer to superpowered people as "gifted". So "miracles" didn't last long.
They don't need anyone to replace mutants. They can just say they don't know how they got their powers, they were born like that. It only becomes a part of the story if you make it part of the story.
If Guardians are replacing anyone it is Silver Surfer. FF were into investigating alternate realities. SS introduced us to alien races, elders of the galaxy.
At the end of the day the heroes are fulfilling the roles they had in the comics. So no-one is replacing anyone unless they come up with new characters.